Pacquiao wants 60-40 split to fight Mayweather
by SC on Dec 3, 2009 1:06 AM EST
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Speaking with Lance Pugmire of the Los Angeles Times, trainer extraordinaire Freddie Roach says that Manny Pacquiao wants a 60-40 split in his favor to fight Floyd Mayweather Jr. as talks continue and a fight seemingly draws closer to being made official.
Roach, in a telephone conversation from England, said, "Manny believes he should get a 60-40 [purse] split too, because he did better in pay-per-view than Mayweather this year. Manny's the bigger draw."
Roach is referring to the 1.25 million pay-per-view buys for Pacquiao's 12th-round technical knockout of Miguel Cotto on Nov. 14, compared to the 1 million buys for Mayweather's fight against Juan Manuel Marquez in September. Yet Mayweather's December 2007 bout against Ricky Hatton generated more pay-per-view sales than Pacquiao-Hatton in May.
Overall, Manny sold about two million PPVs this year between fights with Miguel Cotto and Ricky Hatton. Had Mayweather fought twice, I have no reason to believe he wouldn't have cracked a million both times. His fight with Juan Manuel Marquez stunned the boxing and sports worlds with its incredible PPV performance, and I think any opponent of equal or greater stature would have done another million with Floyd, too.
Nobody's getting 60-40 for this fight, and everyone knows it. It's not going to be 60-40 Pacquiao, and it's not going to be 60-40 for Mayweather. And it won't be one of those things that people always want, the "true prize fight" where they agree to 40-40 or whatever up front and the winner gets the remainder.
It's going to be around 50-50, maybe something like 52-48, and if it goes over 50-50, it'll be Mayweather getting the slightly larger portion, or the fight won't happen. Floyd's not going to take a lesser slice of the pie for this fight, because whether or not it's truly relevant in this situation, he drastically outdrew Pacquiao with common opponents Oscar de la Hoya, Ricky Hatton and Juan Manuel Marquez. All of those fights were before Manny Pacquiao became Manny Pacquaio, the guy whose name gets dropped in the middle of football highlights on SportsCenter, but from a negotiating standpoint, I figure that's going to be something Floyd and his guys stick to in a major way.
The LA Times article doesn't mention anything about the earlier report from the Philippines that Pacquiao won't fight until September, so there's no further word on that right now. We're still in the table tennis stages of negotiations for this fight. Back and forth they'll go, and eventually Bob Arum and Richard Schaefer will work it out and we'll have an amazing event on our hands. Honestly, it's gone much smoother thus far than I think anyone expected.
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It appears to me that there’s a lotta disjointed information coming out of different parts of the Pacquiao camp, and each quote is going to a different outlet for publication. The one outlet got the news from Arum that he’s headed to the Phillipines to get Manny to agree to a fight that Floyd had already OK’d. Then another one comes out that Manny’s lawyer is saying Pacman doesn’t want to fight until September. Then another report comes out, says nothing about what Floyd and Arum agreed to, and nothing about September, where Manny’s trainer says Manny wants a 60-40 split. I have a hard time believing all of this is true.
I have a feeling Arum has a deal in hand, it has pretty much the details everyone expects, and Manny will agree to it. Until I hear from Bob Arum that Manny wants a 60-40 split, or that there will be no fight until September, I’m going to take all these other reports with a grain of salt. The only reason there’s so many other reports coming out is that this is a huge story, a huge fight, and anytime someone has a chance to print some “news” that no one else has yet, they’re going to leap at that chance.
I, for one, can’t wait until this fight is finalized and announced. It should be an interesting one.
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More media bullshit...
I don’t know what the source on this is but this fight will almost certainly take place at only 50-50.
That numbers been repeated so much by the figures involved so far it would be a true sign of dishonesty if any party pulled out at this point in the negotiations when offered 50-50.
The real point of conflict is how to divide up the PPV revenues etc.
Roach thinks the PPV and other revenues should be divided up 65-36 or 60-40 in favour of whoever wins the fight.
I think that may be a conflict because Mayweather may not agree to those terms and prefer to guaruntee himself a larger portion of the PPV’s rather than hinge it on winning or losing.
I’m willing to bet PPV revenue will be an issue here though. It isn’t difficult to assume after this payday Pacquiao can go pursue his politics and Mayweather can retire without any financial worries with the IRS ever again.
If the PPV revenue is even close to as high as what some are thinking these guys are not going to let it go. I suppose if its more than DLH vs Mayweather then they’ll just go 50-50 on it as it will more than cover any retirement salary anybody else has ever had.
Either way though it at least seems like there aren’t any other points of conflict it’s just the split. The sooner they work that out the better it’s already December and the fight is like 4.5 months away they need to get the ball rolling fights are made on hype and ad time.
by MannyPacquiao on Dec 3, 2009 3:54 AM EST up reply actions
Even if the info is disjointed, Mayweather is starting to look like the good guy now. His actions are not providing any fodder for his haters.
Q for the BLHers: Does the split that everyone is talking about apply to PPV revenues too? Or is it just be for the live gate or some other fixed amount?
by Polish Rifle on Dec 3, 2009 11:40 AM EST up reply actions
Yes, PPV revenues
Sometimes, it’s just PPV revenues even. Everyone called Floyd-Hatton a 60/40 split, but the reality was that it was only a 60/40 split on US revenues, and Hatton got to keep 100% of UK revenues, and thus Hatton actually ended up making a lot more for that fight than did Mayweather (pre-tax, anyway).
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Didn’t Arum reach into his own pocket for the Hatton fight? He’s never sounded particularly thrilled to get this done, but I think he could arrange to give up some of his own take again. Not sure if that would create the illusion of a 10% increase for Manny, but this isn’t necessarily something Arum would have to take back to Mayweather.
by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Dec 3, 2009 2:46 AM EST reply actions
If they try going 60/40
And they’re serious about it, Mayweather probably just walks away. In that case, he’d probably make just as much getting the lion’s share in a Mosley fight.
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Just get the fight done
I don’t care where or when they fight as along as they fight.
On a side note, by all accounts it looks like Mayweather is really trying to make this fight happen, and Pacquaio is not. What’s kind of funny is how Arum was trying to sway the public perception against Floyd in the beginning in case things were to go south. I’m just saying……
feed their egos and make it a real prize fight with an even 45-45 and 10% to the winner or something along those lines. If they are both so confident, let them prove it.
Won’t happen, won’t happen, won’t ever, ever, ever happen.
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by SC on Dec 3, 2009 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
not for a big chunk, maybe 10% was too high… but if they are going to get into a pissing match over who gets the high side of a 52-48 split throwing that out on the table wouldnt add some fuel to the fire?
Pacquiao quibbled endlessly to get the slightly bigger portion against Hatton. He and his advisers are no less about the money than anybody else. I’m not arguing that it wouldn’t be interesting and even tremendously awesome, just that it will not happen.
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by SC on Dec 3, 2009 1:27 PM EST up reply actions
I think ‘quibbled endlessly’ is a little harsh for something that amounted to not wanting to go 50/50 after beating De La Hoya and ultimately just wanting to worm more money out of Arum.
Plus, you didn’t note that Pacquiao’s pay-per-view was $5.00 more than Mayweather/Marquez. More buys at 10% more to watch two foreign fighters IS a difference.
by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Dec 4, 2009 2:40 PM EST up reply actions
Nothing we haven’t already figured out, but here’s Roach’s take, not on the purse, but on the fight date. Pretty much echoes my sentiments regarding the condition of both athletes. If Mayweather walks away from this because Manny doesn’t sign on for the March 13 date, he can spin it the way he spun it for Mosley not too long ago. If Manny signs for the March 13 date then he’s getting a version of Manny that probably won’t be 100%. Either way…I hate to say this…but….well played, Floyd, well played….
http://www.gmanews.tv/story/178455/roach-thumbs-down-march-fight-for-pacquiao
haha
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by SC on Dec 3, 2009 2:17 PM EST up reply actions
I hate how Pacs gotten cockier and cockier since he became “Manny Pacquiao”. Ugh. And his last 24/7 was his worst BY FAR. I really want to see the fight itself but a 24/7 with a 4th added episode of Mayweathers crazy uncle telling everyone “you don’t know shit about boxing, cant tell me shit about no boxing” and Pacs camp drama and singing, will drive me crazy.
Do it 50/50 and beat Manny up, Money.
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by SC on Dec 3, 2009 2:18 PM EST up reply actions
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Lamps had a great thought on Hopkins/Jones II a few years ago in which he said he couldn’t even imagine the amount of ego involved that can’t figure out how to split $20+million dollars for their fight.
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