The Tale of Rustico Torrecampo
by Bad Left Hook on Dec 3, 2009 2:37 PM EST
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Ted Sares takes a look back at a man whose record doesn't stand out on paper, and whose biggest win has taken on the quality of legend or myth at this point.
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Oh my God, it's over, it's over, oh my God. It's over. His eyes are crossed. Oh my gosh!
--TV Announcer
When he went down, I knew he wouldn't get up. The referee could've counted to 100 and he wouldn't have been able to recover. I prepared for him. I knew after throwing a jab, he would follow up with a straight or an uppercut. I waited for him to jab, then I countered.
-- Rustico Torrecampo
This relatively unknown Filipino light flyweight fought from 1993-1997 and finished with an unremarkable 14-8-5 mark, though 5 draws in 27 fights is a bit unusual. He was 1-4-1 in his last six outings with his sole win (and arguably his career second best) coming against solid Noel Tunacao (28-4-2 at the time). But it was on February 9, 1996 in Mandaluyong City, Manila, where he would win his biggest fight, though he would not know it at the time. His opponent, 11-0 and being touted as a comer, failed to make the weight and according to relaible sources was mandated to wear eight-ounce gloves, compared to Torrecampo's six-ouncers. This was a penalty for weighing over the limit, and ostensibly to level the playing field.
During the fight, Rustico controlled the action through the first two rounds over his poorly prepared and overconfident foe and then stepped things up in the third. As both parried, Torrecampo nailed a perfectly timed hook to the body of his heavier opponent as he was starting to come in. Many claim it was a head shot that ended up as a body shot, others say it was a fully torqued, incoming shot to the right side of the body, and a few contend it was a low blow. After maybe 300 reviews of the video, I am still not certain, but it did appear to be a borderline body shot, though a case can be made for each argument. At any rate, head, body, or low, it was academic, because the Kibawe native went down in a heap and was counted out after which the referee picked up his body like he was picking up a rag doll. He no longer was undefeated, though to his great credit and determination, he shook off the loss as a learning experience and immediately launched a streak of 15 wins, 13 ending by stoppage.
As for Torrecampo, he failed to capitalize on the upset victory. A month after winning another fight against Ricky Sales, he suffered a wrist injury for which he inexplicitly failed to get medical treatment. The memory of his boxing career is immortalized by the grisly sight of a small bone sticking out of his left wrist, the ugly result of that fracture not healing properly.
More recently (and after his retirement from the ring), he was involved in a vehicular dispute in Tondo that, after a heated argument, resulted in a killing. As a result, Rustico remains a fugitive from the law. Yet, wherever he is, he will forever be able to tell his children and grandchildren that, "I knocked out one of the greatest Featherweights to ever step into the ring."
His name was Manny Pacquiao.
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Not just one of the greatest featherweights...
…but also one of the greatest fighters/boxers of all time..
Yes, but not Butkus
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Dec 3, 2009 3:22 PM EST up reply actions
No argument from me.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Dec 3, 2009 3:10 PM EST reply actions
You know, after seeing the slo mo for the first time, it did look like he might have hit him in the chin first and then carried through to the body.On the Pac Man website, they call it a low blow-hahaha
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Dec 3, 2009 3:22 PM EST reply actions
I was noticing that too.
And Pac looked kind of out of it, which you don’t normally see from a body shot even a low blow. Usually a good body shot will be followed by the downed fighter holding his side, stomach, or something. Or if it was a low blow they grab their nuts.
Pac looked out of it. I think he just got caught.
always been sloppy, that Pac
knew he’d never make it.
I hated every minute of training, but I said, ‘’Don’t quit. Suffer now and live the rest of your life as a champion.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)
I agree. It was a shot upstarrs. Good call.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Dec 3, 2009 4:02 PM EST up reply actions
Don from Prov
Funny that the announcers kept insisting that the shot was “flush on the mouth” and that Manny’s eyes had crossed. Well, his eyes might have crossed but it wasn’t from any shot to the head, not to my eyes anyway. And I don’t fully believe Torrecampo when he said he was timing the uppercut or straight shot—just looks like he threw. Like what you’re doing here, Ted—good stuff. Have to love the basketball backboards in the background at the stadium. Local boxing, indeed.
Rustico himself says it was a flush shot to the jaw. That one is a teaser. Thanks for the props, Prov. Here, it is all about boxing and not very much about the economy, poetry, hate, Obama, Etc.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Dec 3, 2009 4:04 PM EST up reply actions
Hi, Ted, great fight, great article. However, I have to disagree that Torrecampo was controlling the fight. He landed some great body shots in the first but Manny appeared to have some in reserve until he met that left hand head on. It hit his chin, I have no doubt. It carried on past towards the belt line but Paccy’s state was from a head shot, not a body shot. The commentantors were in no doubt and even said, as soon as he went down, that he was ‘out’. That’s a head shot for sure in my mind.
Points taken. Je won the first round but was battered in the second thouh he did tire out Manny a bit. But you are spot on.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Dec 3, 2009 4:05 PM EST up reply actions
In fact, after watching it yet again, he threw an almost round-house left cum hook from a right-leaning stance and it landed totally flush and very hard on the bottom of Paccy’s gob. After being deflected, it carried on down at an angle towards the belt. Christ, this is like the Kennedy assasination. .
Don from Prov
Have to take the remark about Torrecampo NOT trying to time and counter the uppercut or straight shot after the jab, because on review that is EXACTLY what he was doing. Still see nothing to the chin or mouth unless it was a head. I might be missing the shot hitting the chin and then body, but I am honestly not seeing that. Good day, Mr. Loathsome.
Don from Prov
Well, who the heck is on the grassy knoll?
His initials begin with “r”
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Dec 3, 2009 4:06 PM EST up reply actions
Like old times. The Bone and Mrbill are due soon. Hopefully.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Dec 3, 2009 4:07 PM EST up reply actions
Don from Prov
If Torrecampo had managed to stagger the ref too, you’d have the perfect conspiracy theory.
Here in Prov. Well,not at the moment. Here in Attleboro, but always here in-Prov at heart.
Mafia is good, but I like Oil guys tied in with Cuba and the mob even better. Conspiracy theories are cool, but usually never pan out. Some are already saying Jones was iced by a slap to the head. Think oz conspiracy!!! It did look strange.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Dec 3, 2009 4:09 PM EST reply actions
Don from Prov
Sorry, left off the question mark—Here in Prov? Etc., etc. Indeed the final shot was from the Grassy Knoll. Or at the very point of. Mafia is always the popular choice. Have to agree. Going to watch this one more time for head shot straying to Grassy Knoll.
I watched it 400 times but this was the first slo mo.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Dec 3, 2009 4:10 PM EST reply actions
Yeah, I watched the clow-mo twice and saw it definitely land in head range and appeared to wack his chin. It was a head-high shot for absolute certain, wherever it ended up. Don’t forget, Paccy’s body is leaning forward at an angle too.
And Pac was starting to come in which increased the power of the punch.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Dec 3, 2009 4:14 PM EST up reply actions
One other thing. This is the normal kind of site where you have to register/sign in before you post. It prevents maniacs from roaming the range. I like that feature, as I use it to post on the forum of one other site out of the UK under an alias , of course. What people don’t get is that if they use their real name when posting, it can pop up on google and be very embarassing.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Dec 3, 2009 4:13 PM EST reply actions
Mind you, you can see the class of Pacquaio even there. It’s interesting that nobody talks of Pac being ‘exposed’ by that loss, unlike Khan’s first loss which appareantly indicates a fatal chin problem.
Getting knocked down and hurt by a natural super featherweight with a 20% KO percentage
is what gave Khan away there. The prospect gurus had been saying Khan has a weak chin since even before he went pro. Perhaps if Khan increases his body mass by 30% like Pacquiao did, his chin won’t be so bad.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Body mass can be an issue in punch resistance but I go along with Manny Steward. It’s neck muscles which provide a natural resistance to a punch. If we’re talking about punches that are seen coming, that is. There’s not a lot otherwise that most fighters can do to avoid the effects of a punch not seen, even Tyson. In fact, the punches that KOd Tyson (by Douglas and Lewis) were well timed punches that he didn’t see.; Douglas by a series of punches that left him exposed and Lewis by a round the corner right hand after he’d been feinted out of position.
by Randy Loathsome on Dec 3, 2009 4:52 PM EST up reply actions
I generally agree
In my opinion, there are six factors in play (in order of importance):
1) Ability to roll with punches
2) Genetics
3) Pain threshold (but if that’s low, you won’t be in boxing for very long, so this isn’t an issue for elite fighters)
4) Stamina (can’t stay up as easily if you’re tired – has been a bugaboo for many)
5) Inner ear imbalance (which can be caused by losing too much water mass and putting it back on)
6) Neck and shoulder musculature
On 5 and 6 (and possibly 4), Khan may have improved a bit with moving up in weight. But based on what I’ve seen of him, Khan didn’t exactly hit the genetic jackpot when it comes to his beard. As I’ve said before though, I think his new style (defense by impenitrable offense, a la Wladimir Klitschko) will keep his chin from being so much of an issue that he can’t be a top level fighter.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
by Brickhaus on Dec 3, 2009 5:31 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
While no one knows the exact mechanism of a KO but there is one prevalent theory and it makes sense to me so I’ll break it down for y’all right here. Basically KOs happen when there is a sudden shock to the brain stem. In boxing, this happens when the neck suddenly goes in a certain direction either in a twist or straight back. So all of Brick’s arguments point to this fact.
1) Ability to roll with punches (The ability to make the sudden, less so, thereby lessening the damage and negating a KO)
2) Genetics (natural size in strength of the neck muscles that surround the brain stem)
3) Pain threshold (Actually not too much to do with KOs caused by a punch, more the giving up variety)
4) Stamina (When the body is tired it does not tense critical muscles as quickly as a fresh person, therefore sudden impacts become more likely)
5) Inner ear imbalance (Being off-balance will make a person more susceptible to the shots which will cause sudden impacts)
6) Neck and shoulder musculature (Self-explanatory)
I’ll be here all day….
It's not just the brain stem that causes a KO
Physically, there are at least three different reasons people get knocked down (excluding body shots):
1) The fighter actually gets concussed, i.e., their brain jiggles around in the skull a little too much and actually hits the skull wall. Here’s where draining too much can cause an issue as well. If a fighter loses too much water weight, they can lose brain fluid, which they might not be able to put back on (or might not be as viscous) only a day after the weigh-in. Come in at a higher weight with more water, you might have more brain fluid to absorb the impact of a punch. I don’t have proof, but from what I’ve seen, I imagine the difference in brain fluid is mostly when a fighter loses an extreme amount of water weight in a short period of time.
http://www.videosift.com/video/The-Science-of-a-Knock-Out-Punch
2) The fighter loses balance. There are three tiny bones in the inner ear, as well as a spiralish tube filled with fluid, that have a huge effect on balance. If those three bones start knocking all around into each other, you temporarily lose the capability to stay balanced. This is usually what’s going on when you see a fighter that’s on ‘wobbly legs’. If someone’s doing the chicken dance, it’s because their brain is telling them one thing, but the inner ear isn’t letting them. It’s the same reason that if you spin around in a circle 100 times, you’re not going to be able to walk straight. Jostle the inner ear hard enough, and you’ll get dizzy and have a damn hard time standing up.
3) Whiplash. Head gets turned so hard and so fast, that some kind of minor trauma is caused to the brain stem. This is thought to be the cause of many flash knockdowns, where a fighter isn’t really hurt but just loses motor control for a second or two. Assuming this is actually the physical reason (which, as I understand it, isn’t scientifically proven and is contested by some), the theory is that there’s some kind of minor interruption that keeps signals from getting sent down to the limbs for a split second, leading the body to temporarily go limp.
Ability to roll and genetics affects all three of those, not just the brain stem reason. #2 above seems to me to be the most common. #1 is usually going to be a flat out knockout where the guy isn’t up at all within 10 seconds. #3 is harder to tell. But either way, Khan has never been knocked out cold. I personally think he just gets dizzied really, really easily.
This isn’t counting other more obvious reasons for knockdowns, such as that the fighter is just too exhausted to stand up and defend himself well (“punched out”), or that the punch hurt so bad that he falls to the ground (which happens a lot in four rounders, but evidently only happens to Kermit Cintron in championship fights).
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
That’s a very good summation, Brickhaus. Nice stuff.
by Randy Loathsome on Dec 4, 2009 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
Don from Prov
Well, I CAN see the possible chin to body trajectory—kind of from very point-of-chin down, but it leave me unsure. Has Manny ever spoken about it? BTW, Mr. L, not only don’t I believe the lone gunman theory, but I wouldn’t be surprised if Manny was hit by Torrecampo, Ref, AND Felix Trinidad: He was done. A confusing sequence to me as the picture is not completely clear, but I like that you have it up here, complete with Slo-Mo.
Manny and Rustico met years after the fight but before Rustico offed the truck driver. Rustico expressed great humility to Manny and Manny, of course, was gracious as well. If you research it on google, you can pick up the conversation, but it takes a lot of time.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Dec 3, 2009 4:28 PM EST up reply actions
Don from Prov
Nice to see some voices I respect in a sane venue. Off to walk the dog. Later.
It was like a blind-side short of shot. As thay always say, it’s the punch you don’t see that will KD you, at the very least. But Manny had no resistance to its effects! Interesting also that Lennox Lewis suffered two ‘freak’ KOs and his chin has been suspect ever since and his Greatness even more so. What do they want!?
Don from Prov
P.S.—The Cuban connection was a very big idea for a long while.
Don from Prov
Well, there was a whole Bay of Pigs thing spoken of, and Cuban exiles, yes. Any number of theories. I’m perplexed enough about the ending shot here. My dog doesn’t actually call, but sleeps while radiating disappointment. Later. Still would like to hear what Manny says about it, but the more that I watch, the more I see the chin/body trajectory.
Think Marcello; think New Orleans; think Oswald; think Anti Castro Cubans in New orleans and the connect the dots.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Dec 3, 2009 4:30 PM EST reply actions
But I still think it was one shooter….
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Dec 3, 2009 4:30 PM EST reply actions
Can you imagine how shot Lacey must be given Jones’s “shotness?” I still maintain that it was the wait loss after the Ruiz fight that did him in, but we will never really know, Still, that was the one diffent thing that happened before he became a concusee.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Dec 3, 2009 4:50 PM EST reply actions
By the way, how is France this time of year? Same as here I expect.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Dec 3, 2009 4:51 PM EST reply actions
Weather-wise, it’s cold and greay at the moment but it’s getting warmer for the weekend. Are you still in Chicago, Ted? I can’t keep up.
No, I left Chicago at age 24 and never looked back. I consider myself a New Englander and now live in the Norther mountain area of New Hampshire. My two favorite cities of residence are Geneva and Boston. Been up here 10 years but go to Boston and Montreal a lot.
Yes, Jones is toast Lacey will be permantly damaged if he continues to fight IMO.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Dec 3, 2009 5:00 PM EST up reply actions
Ah, yes, I thought it must be New Ebgland. Similar weather perhaps? We had a beautiful autumn recently with some gorgeous colours but, as I say, the heating’s on now for a few days. Fortunately my house is a stone one and maintains its temperature pretty well after the hot summer too. Next year I should have my chauffage a bois installed!
by Randy Loathsome on Dec 3, 2009 5:03 PM EST up reply actions
Lacy was a done deal ever since Calzaghe ruined him, let’s face it. I love Roy Jones but he’s done, IMO.
I think that's part of it
Lacy lost his fire after the Calzaghe fight. But he also lost his power after the Tsypko fight. Tore his labrum, and his left hook just hasn’t been the same since.
He’s about as good of a case of a fighter being mentally ‘ruined’ by a bad beatdown as I can think of though. If he wasn’t a well known former champ, he’d probably be 0-6 in his last six fights. I thought he lost to both Mendoza and Manfredo, personally.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
I wasn’t following boxing as closely back then as I do now, so it’s a real trip to go back and read contemporary press accounts and predictions for that fight. I would imagine that in a very small way, it was as shocking as Tyson-Douglas. Obviously, Tyson-Douglas was a much, much bigger upset, but it was understood afterwards that Tyson didn’t train, Douglas fought the fight of his life, and so forth – the stars were aligned on that night, but it didn’t say anything about the permanent state of the universe. With Calzaghe-Lacy, people were struck with the sudden realization that this goofy-looking European dude really was THAT much better than the Next Mike Tyson. Lacy was “exposed” on some level too, of course, but I don’t think he was that much worse than people had previously thought. Some of the fighters he had beaten before Calzaghe were decent, at least.
I don’t necessarily buy the excuses put forward on Tyson’s behalf for the loss to Douglas. I think that the Douglas performance was ‘the fight of his life’ for sure but it also demonstrated clealy the way that a fighter such as he beats Tyson, substandard or not.
Firstly, Douglas showed no fear and therefore was able to fight his fight, i.e., from the outside, not shying away from the expected Tyson onslaught but having the skills and the gameplan to negate the Tyson rushes. And of course, he was a strong, tall guy with a good reach and quick hands.
His execution of his fight-plan was immaculate (until the 8th round at least!). His offence was a stiff and accurate jab and a sharp right cross. Whenever Tyson got set to lauch, Douglas smartly either stepped back a pace so that Tyson fell short and could be countered or stepped forward to be inside the arc of his hooks and he would smother and, if necessary, hold and lean on the shorter Tyson. When Tyson can’t get off, he’s stuffed, simple as that. Lewis, many years later and against an older Tyson, demonstrated the same basics strategy too. Douglas proved in the Tyson fight, to my mind, how bloody good he could be. He had always up to that point shown himself to be a little fragile in the confidence stakes perhaps and certainly showed that after he’d won the title when he meekly lost to Holyfield. He fought Tyson when he’d recently lost his mother, a fact that one could reasonably expect to have a negative effect on his performance and a good excuse for a loss. He overcame that or, indeed as I believe, used that experience to inspire him to a fabulous win against the most feared Heavyweight since George Foreman of the 70s.
by Randy Loathsome on Dec 4, 2009 8:00 AM EST up reply actions
Weight loss after Ruiz couldn’t have helped but it was also the fact that he was coming to the end of his career anyway. Putting your body through that at his age was asking for trouble. Lack of competition at Light Heavy I guess propelled him to that particular effort. Waste of time really. Who now particularly remembers him for beating Ruiz? Tarver should have had him in the first fight but was so negative I didn’t expect the result in the second one. Unfortunately Roy Jones will be more remembered for that loss than the fact he won a Heavyweight belt.
I’ll nvere forget how he looked in the first Tarver fight. Gaunt and and a bad coloring to him. Ugh.
Later, mate. Time to hit the sack for a nap.Great chatting with you as always.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Dec 3, 2009 5:01 PM EST reply actions
G'Day fellas!
That was some punch Ted, haven’t seen it in slo-mo yet but judging by the way Manny’s arm is outstretched when he’s lying on the canvas – definitely caught one on the chin. Wild fight!
"Anytime you go thirty rounds with a guy, try to kill each other, and have the utmost respect for each other, no one understands that, but guys who have been to war understand it." - Micky Ward on Arturo Gatti.
Just goes to show that just ‘cos a guy gets a loss (even one like that ) or two ( 2k battery or something ?) it doesn’t mean he’s not gonna come good – and then some . There is hope for Audley Harrison yet ! ( no there isn’t really – I jest).
Nice to see some old amigos on this thread – respect to all at BLH .
by Sir Jack Daniels on Dec 3, 2009 7:46 PM EST reply actions
Yes, and more coming as soon as the site can clear up a backlog of new registrants. Mrbill, T-Bone, Vlad, and Ironbeach are on the way.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Dec 3, 2009 10:07 PM EST reply actions
Don from Prov
I like that breakdown by Brickhaus on ability to absorb punches; don’t know that I’d be 100% in agreement about the order they are in, but that’s opinion. Manny showed again that ONE problem for Cotto is stamina—and obviously a lot of problems come along with getting tired, including NOT rolling with punches as well as a psychological factor that should be tough to argue doesn’t come into play with Miguel. His stamina is also NOT helped by how much blood he swallows in a lot of fights due to how his mouth busts up. Hey! to Mr. Daniels and Goatsnake. Mr. Daniels is right in pointing out that losses do not = forget greatness in a career—something that a lot of fighters and fans who are obsessed with unbeaten records might pay attention to. Manny/Floyd should be a great, great match-up. Later.
Brickhaus knows his stuff.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Dec 3, 2009 11:20 PM EST reply actions
Those factors, I can’t disagree with. They are all factors determining how a fighter takes a particular shot. However, the two most important from my point of view are neck and shoulder muscles and, most importantly of all, whether a fighter sees the shot. All the other factors, to a great extent, go out of the window (although they still play a part) if the punch is not seen and is of sufficient force. If a fighter anticipates a punch, he can THEN roll with it, absorb it by bracing the necessary muscles, or, indeed, partially block or get his chin down into his shoulders, etc., etc.. If he doesn’t anticipate a punch he’ll go down or, at least, be badly hurt. That’s my take.
by Randy Loathsome on Dec 4, 2009 8:06 AM EST up reply actions
Not bad
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Dec 4, 2009 9:11 AM EST up reply actions
Manny at 140 to 145 lbs is the greatest fighter I ever saw along with 93 – 03 – Roy Jones Jr and Roberto Duran. DROID!!!
by AndroidMullen on Dec 4, 2009 2:36 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Uncle Ted, I really enjoy your articles.. Was Drmullen now DroidMullen. Peace cats.
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This is an email from JC40. I’m posting it so that you know there is a technical issue on signbing up that the site is working on, Also, he says hello to some of the mates.::
“I’ve signed up to the blog but it wont let me post Ted LMAO bleep
technology
Great to see The Bull back writing killer pieces . Nice to be here
fellas , nice to be anywhere actually . My man Hops looked like he’s
finally lost a step in footspeed watching the Ornelas fight . I hope
Bernard gives it away , its not like he needs the money. I wasn’t
surprised at Jones – Green . Roys’ ability to take a shot is gone .
Lacy was never an A Grade world class fighter to begin with , let
alone when he fought Jones. I didn’t even watch the fight .I stopped
watching Jones after the third Tarver fight .It shows Pac has a
fighters mentality in the fact he didn’t go to water after being
stopped twice as a young kid. Big Gdays to my mates Goaty , Don from
Prov , Sir Jack and Randy the loathsome Pom.”
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Dec 4, 2009 9:10 AM EST reply actions
Hail Mullen
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Dec 4, 2009 10:51 AM EST reply actions
And Hail JC 40 when he can get here! LOL.. JC40, don’t I know your brother?
by Randy Loathsome on Dec 4, 2009 11:38 AM EST reply actions
I think its
NOT beyond reason to wonder if RJJ was EVER too durable. Once upon a time, he didn’t HAVE to be.
Uncommon reflexes are a wonderful thing to have, but sooner or later, father time catches you and rarely does he lose a battle.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Dec 4, 2009 6:28 PM EST up reply actions
‘When you beat a legend you become a legend!!!’ i like that quote. Green now becomes a “legend.”
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Dec 4, 2009 6:16 PM EST reply actions
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