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Bad Left Hook Best of the Decade - Super Bantamweight

Vazquez and Marquez faced off three times in three of the best fights of the decade.

Now that 2009 is getting close to wrapping up, it means this decade is almost over.  Before the end of the year, I hope to get through all the weight classes, presenting to you some choices for the best fighter in a given weight class in the decade.  I'm not going in any particular order here, but we'll get through all 17 weight classes. 

When voting, please only consider the time that the fighter was in the specified weight class during this decade.  Also, I'm not going to count obvious ballot stuffing when I tally these up at the end of the year.  Because of the ballot stuffing patterns, voting will be done in the comments rather than by a poll for this one.

There's a pretty solid argument that super bantamweight may have been one of the strongest divisions of the aughts, if not the strongest weight class of the decade.  Several sure-fire hall of famers fought at least a few times in the weight class, and no less than five fighters graced the pound for pound top 10 at some point while in the weight class.  In addition, many of the elite fighters in the weight class actually fought each other, losing some and winning some, making it difficult to pick a single standout from the weight class.

Celestino Caballero - Caballero has gone 26-2 in the weight class.  As freakish as it is, at 5'11", he's actually spent almost the entirety of the decade at the weight, and managed to unify titles and enter many top 10 pound for pound lists.  His key victories include 6 current, former and future titlists, including Steve Molitor, Lorenzo Parra, Mauricio Pastrana, Somsak Sithchatchawal, Yober Ortega, and Daniel Ponce de Leon, as well as other good wins over Ricardo Castillo, Jeffrey Mathebula, Jorge Lacierva, Jose Valbuena and Giovanni Andrade.  The losses came to Ricardo Cordoba and Jose Rojas.

Joan Guzman - Back when Guzman was at 122, he actually somewhat lived up to his "Little Tyson" moniker.  Guzman went 6-0 in the weight class in the early part of the decade, capturing a belt with a victory over Fernando Beltran Jr.  He also holds a dominant knockout win over Agapito Sanchez, as well as victories over Edel Ruiz, Hector Julio Avila, Armando Guerrero and Fabio Daniel Oliva.

Poonsawat Kratingdaenggym - Poonsawat has gone 16-0 in the weight class, including picking up a title from Bernard Dunne.  Other key victories include Somsak Sithchatchawal, Carlos Lopez and Rafael Hernandez.

Oscar Larios - Larios went 14-2 in the decade at the weight, being one of the elite fighters in the weight class in the early half of the decade, and went 10-1 in title fights.  Key wins include Israel Vazquez, Willie Jorrin, Nedal Hussein, Wayne McCullough (twice), Cesar Soto and Kozo Ishii.  Both of his losses came to elite fighters who he also beat at one point or another, with the losses coming to Israel Vazquez and Willie Jorrin.

Juan Manuel Lopez - Lopez has gone 21-0 in the weight class in the decade, including six victories in title fights.  Key wins include Daniel Ponce de Leon, Gerry Penalosa, Jonathan Oquendo, Cesar Figueroa, Olivier Lontchi and Rogers Mtagwa.  All but two of his wins came by way of knockout.

Manny Pacquiao - Pacman spent the earliest part of the decade at the weight, going 8-0-1 and becoming the lineal titlist in the weight with his win over Lehlohono Ledabwa.  Other key wins include Nedal Hussein, Emmaneul Lucero, Jorge Julio and Fahprakorb Rakkiatgym.  The lone draw came in a hard fought bout with Agapito Sanchez.

Israel Vazquez - Vazquez went 14-2 in the decade in the weight class, and finished his time there ranked in the top 5 of most pound for pound best lists.  Most memorably, he holds two wins over Rafael Marquez in what was likely the most thrilling trilogy in the history of boxing.  Additionally, he made eight defenses of his title, with other wins over Oscar Larios (making him lineal champion), Jhonny Gonzalez, Ivan Hernandez, Armando Guerrero and Jose Luis Valbuena.

Others for consideration: Rafael Marquez (only fights at the weight were the trilogy against Vazquez, in which he went 1-2), Marco Antonio Barrera (no notable wins in four fights in the decade), Erik Morales (1-0 in the decade, with the win over Barrera), Lehlohono Ledabwa, Mahyar Monshipour, Steve Molitor, Fernando Beltran Jr., Somsak Sithchatchawal, Ricardo Cordoba, Daniel Ponce de Leon, Jhonny Gonzalez, Toshiaki Nishioka, Willie Jorrin

PLEASE VOTE IN THE COMMENTS.  THE INCLUSION OF PACQUIAO HERE MEANS THAT THERE WILL BE NO POLL, BUT I WILL STILL TALLY UP THE WINNER BY WHOEVER HAS THE MOST VOTES IN THE SUBJECT LINES OF THE COMMENTS.

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Israel Vazquez

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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."

by Brickhaus on Dec 30, 2009 1:41 PM EST reply actions  

Izzy easily.

The Dude Abides

by battle axe of doom on Dec 30, 2009 1:46 PM EST reply actions  

Vasquez

Although I think the Pac man may win I feel like the “boxing” fans and not the “Pac Man” fans will all vote Vasquez.

by laksskal on Dec 30, 2009 2:14 PM EST reply actions  

Poonsawat. No, just kidding – Vazquez.

by taco pal on Dec 30, 2009 2:20 PM EST reply actions  

Manny

"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006

by The Midnight Rambler on Dec 30, 2009 2:44 PM EST reply actions  

Vazquez

has the best wins I believe by a fairly clear margin.

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by Matt Miller on Dec 30, 2009 2:45 PM EST reply actions  

Vasquez

"Honey i forgot to duck" - Jack Dempsey

by Drunken cutman on Dec 30, 2009 2:46 PM EST reply actions  

Izzy

Hope he decides to hang it up. He looked terrible in that warm up fight….

by Waldo Rastel on Dec 30, 2009 3:12 PM EST reply actions  

Vazquez

Manny’s resume isn’t even close.

Bad Left Hook
"If bulls**t was poetry, Ray 'Boom Boom' Mancini's name would be Shakespeare." -- Dennis Rappaport

by Scott Christ on Dec 30, 2009 4:01 PM EST reply actions  

Izzy

Without a shadow of a doubt.

by Oli Goldstein on Dec 30, 2009 4:17 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Vasquez

….not yet for JuanMa.

Wear something sexy to my funeral.

by Pops Daniels on Dec 30, 2009 4:20 PM EST reply actions  

JuanMa

may well be the best of the 10’s though.

"Honey i forgot to duck" - Jack Dempsey

by Drunken cutman on Dec 30, 2009 4:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Not at this weight.

Bad Left Hook
"If bulls**t was poetry, Ray 'Boom Boom' Mancini's name would be Shakespeare." -- Dennis Rappaport

by Scott Christ on Dec 30, 2009 4:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah,

Should have noted that.

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by Pops Daniels on Dec 30, 2009 9:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Izzy Vazquez

ESPN Classic showed the trilogy last night. In the 3rd fight, they showed about 15 minutes of pre fight bullshit and then cut rounds 2-3 and I think 5-6. Do they do this on other fights? It’s horribly annoying when a 12 round bout is 36 min, and they cut out the corner stuff.

by cardscott5 on Dec 30, 2009 4:50 PM EST reply actions  

I’ve never noticed them doing that. How the fuck do you cut parts of the third fight? Good Lord.

Bad Left Hook
"If bulls**t was poetry, Ray 'Boom Boom' Mancini's name would be Shakespeare." -- Dennis Rappaport

by Scott Christ on Dec 30, 2009 4:54 PM EST up reply actions  

They usually cut out the corner stuff. They do not usually cut out rounds unless it is a part of a show where they feature a fighter, and show like 4-5 of the fights.

I was thoroughly confused during the third fight. They’d come back from commercials and the fighter looked worse for wear.

by tkeithwhite on Dec 30, 2009 5:43 PM EST up reply actions  

You mean I can't vote for Pac 377 times?

Damn. Well I’ll vote once for – Israel Vazquez.
I recorded the Trilogy last night but haven’t had a chance to go back and watch it. That’s pretty crappy though. Especially for any of those fights.

by BloodMeridian on Dec 30, 2009 4:57 PM EST reply actions  

Manny

Although I’d have taken Morales to beat him at this weight back then, he did more at 122 than Erik, and I’d have him beating everyone else.

"I'm not God - but I am something similar", Roberto Duran

by FCF on Dec 30, 2009 5:02 PM EST reply actions  

I think of these polls a little differently. I don’t compare them to how I think they’d do against each other. I’m more concerned with what they actually did.

by tkeithwhite on Dec 30, 2009 5:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Fair play

Can’t argue with your rationale

"I'm not God - but I am something similar", Roberto Duran

by FCF on Dec 30, 2009 5:55 PM EST up reply actions  

You can do it either way

They’re intentionally left open ended

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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."

by Brickhaus on Dec 30, 2009 8:05 PM EST up reply actions  

I actually think both Vazquez and Marquez would have been hell for the 122-pound version of Manny. He was already quite good and powerful and fast, but he wasn’t close to what he is now, and Vazquez and Marquez are a couple of sharpshooters that hit like trucks.

Bad Left Hook
"If bulls**t was poetry, Ray 'Boom Boom' Mancini's name would be Shakespeare." -- Dennis Rappaport

by Scott Christ on Dec 30, 2009 7:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Both fantastic fighters, of course.

And either would have been a tough, exciting fight for MP. I’d back Pac’s power (lacking his subsequent finesse) against both Vasquez and Marquez, however. I mean, the guy was a beast at 122, and both those guys catch shots. Marquez and Morales were the only guys to give him problems during that era (well, a bit later on perhaps, but still the same version of MP): Marquez, as we know, had the particular style to do well against Manny; and Morales, before his rapid decline, was just a class above either IV or RM, in my opinion.

"I'm not God - but I am something similar", Roberto Duran

by FCF on Dec 30, 2009 8:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Vasquez.

I just revisited the Marquez trilogy on ESPN classics. So good.

by tkeithwhite on Dec 30, 2009 5:39 PM EST reply actions  

I'm getting older

Almost freaked out that Barrera and Morales were not getting more love than I realized that this decade wasnt their best….

Want to vote for Larios but im doubting myself

Larios is my vote i guess

Bruce Seldon > Ali

by rjhabeeb on Jan 1, 2010 4:23 PM EST reply actions  

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