Mayweather-Pacquiao Update: Pacquiao actually files lawsuit
by Scott Christ on Dec 30, 2009 7:06 PM EST
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PrintThe Associated Press reports that Manny Pacquiao has actually gone through with his lawsuit threats. The defamation suit names Floyd Mayweather Jr., Floyd Mayweather Sr., Roger Mayweather, Oscar de la Hoya and Richard Schaefer.
"The truth did not stop Mayweather and the others," the suit contends. "That is because they are motivated by ill will, spite, malice, revenge and envy."
Pacquiao's attorney, Dan Petrocelli, said his client could be out millions of dollars if boxing fans believe he used steroids or human growth hormone to win titles in seven weight classes.
"The damage to his reputation and lost business opportunities could be in the tens of millions of dollars," Petrocelli said.
I don't really have much to add to this one. Brick may be able to add if there's anything to this (if the Pacquiao side has a real case or not) or if it's just another show from either side. I've gotten so sick of talking about this garbage. Just forget it, guys. Waste away in lesser fights nobody cares about, ruin the goodwill boxing has built up, and then have the promoters whine later that boxing sure is in a rut again. HEY, WHA' HAPPENED?
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The article says they’re going to ask for tens of millions of dollars. The $75,000 figure is in there for technical reasons.
AP article got expanded greatly while I was putting this together. Good eye.
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by Scott Christ on Dec 30, 2009 7:16 PM EST up reply actions
So, Mayweather will soon have carte blanche to search through all of Manny’s records and force him and his doctors and Roach and Ariza and anyone else who might know something to testify under oath. If there’s really something shady out there, it should come out.
Good point
"Honey i forgot to duck" - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Dec 30, 2009 7:17 PM EST up reply actions
Profundo disgusto
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Dec 30, 2009 7:21 PM EST reply actions
That clip was funny...
That guy was in a funny as hell movie called Best In Show. The movie centered around a group of people focused on making their dogs champion at the UKC dog show competition. I highly recommend the flick!!
by SmittytheCutman on Dec 30, 2009 7:41 PM EST reply actions
Yeah, Best in Show and A Mighty Wind were the same people.
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"If bulls**t was poetry, Ray 'Boom Boom' Mancini's name would be Shakespeare." -- Dennis Rappaport
by Scott Christ on Dec 30, 2009 8:25 PM EST up reply actions
If I got sued every time I suspected someone of shit
I’’d be broke as hell.
Grow some balls Manny, you are hilarious right now
Agreed....
I’ve lost some respect for Pacman…..I think most fighters would take the test and make Mayweather pay in the ring instead of running to the law like a crybaby.
by ultimoshogun on Dec 30, 2009 8:57 PM EST up reply actions
No shot
Pacquiao has about as much chance of winning this suit as I do landing a PPV fight with him. Defamation/slander/libel suits are almost impossible to win especially if they involve a public figure.
Boxing is like jazz. The better it is, the less people appreciate it.
-George Foreman
Who says he’s trying to win it, and not just trying to get Mayweather’s camp and others to stop making insinuations, while still maybe collecting a settlement and sticking some legal fees to Floyd on the way there?
by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Dec 30, 2009 9:02 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah I think this is basically right. I believe it was Clausewitz who said “war is a continuation of diplomacy by other means.” Well, filing this lawsuit is just continuing the negotiations by other means. I don’t think it’s inconceivable that Manny could win it if it were to come to that, but it’s really mainly about leverage.
Just take the test
I think Paq is concerned about his legacy. If he loses, he’s concerned about his political career in the Phillippines. He’s in a no win situation if he doesn’t take the test.
"I was detained by a police officer and proceeded to get choked by Roger Mayweather." Zab Judah
I think Manny could drive a truck filled with drugs
through General Santos City and fling them out to children as he goes and it still wouldn’t damage anything he does in the Philipines.
"Honey i forgot to duck" - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Dec 30, 2009 8:58 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I hate ill will, spite, malice, revenge and envy
next time someone shows this to me you have been warned I will file a lawsuit against you.
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
DISCLAIMER: Not a boxing vs. mma comment
Speaking as somebody whose appreciation and interest in boxing largely comes about due to my affinity for MMA, I have to admit that this and incidents like it really dampen my growing interest in the sport. Say what thou wilt about Dana White, at least he generally makes the trains run on time.
"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito Ortiz on Vitor Belfort at Affliction:DOR
Fair point
"Honey i forgot to duck" - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Dec 30, 2009 8:58 PM EST up reply actions
If there was more than one promoter in mma, there would be the same issues. If boxing only had one promoter, it would work very similarly. Consolidation of power is good for fans terrible for the athletes. I’m sure their pay sucks relative to how much they make Dana and the UFC brand.
by Waldo Rastel on Dec 30, 2009 9:03 PM EST up reply actions
There are a number of different promoters in MMA. None have been as successful as Mr. White et. al, but that doesn’t mean they don’t exist or aren’t flourishing (for example, Scott Coker and Strikeforce are poised to do some serious business this coming year if they can shoot the moon).
And ultimately my point was about the structure of the sport. I don’t think that mma rules are what make it a sport where more big fights get made. I agree with you that it’s the supporting infrastructure. That said, boxing seems to be rather set in it’s ways in terms of its fractured system, to the point that the likelihood that it could one day become more centralized is seemingly slim (to be fair, I am a boxing neophyte to say the least). And to the extent that boxing continues to be unable to make big fights like this (given the fractured nature of the sport’s infrastructure), it will feed the flames of my disappointment and distrust of all the parties involved.
"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito Ortiz on Vitor Belfort at Affliction:DOR
by Rundownloser on Dec 30, 2009 9:22 PM EST up reply actions
And to the extent that boxing continues to be unable to make big fights like this (given the fractured nature of the sport’s infrastructure)
I’m not really arguing with your overall point because it’s perfectly solid, but recently boxing has had no serious trouble making the big fights. This entire fiasco has been a reminder of how much greed runs this sport, but at the same time it’s not THAT much different than UFC and Fedor Emelianenko failing to reach terms when THAT seems like it should be a no-brainer too.
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by Scott Christ on Dec 30, 2009 9:29 PM EST up reply actions
I fully agree with everything you said. A number of big fights are absolutely getting made (ehm, the super six tournament for but one example). I just wanted to chime in and support this part of your article:
ruin the goodwill boxing has built upI was just giving you an example in myself of one of these people who don’t know too much about boxing and are alienated by antics like this.
Here’s the deal: you qualify “boxing has had no serious trouble making the big fights” with the word “recently”. That’s really the point at issue. As a very new fan, I felt essentially like boxing had told me “sorry about all that nonsense and bluster these past few years. We’re not screwing around anymore.” Then boxing proceeded to drown me in an immense amount of great fights that showed me how great this sport could be. So I bought in. And now I can’t help but feel that I got fooled. I feel a little burned. Perhaps I’ve internalized this too much and have made it too personal. But people are like that, and the boxing movers and shakers can expect a lot more of it from me and others of my ilk if this incident is an omen of things to come.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m gonna watch a lot more boxing in the future. This is an absolutely great sport and I’m only beginning to realize how incredible talents like Roy Jones Jr., Ali, and Sugar Ray Robinson really were. But shenanigans like this do worry me greatly.
Also, I’m not suggesting that greed isn’t an unfortunate reality in mma by saying this, but if anything, the Fedor situation might not be a very good example of greed per se. That whole situation came off to me much more like two parties who ultimately didn’t value the same things. If anything, Fedor almost certainly would have made more money in the UFC; however, he/M-1 (his management) decided to go for the less lucrative deal with more flexibility in terms of exclusivity and co-promotion. So in terms of examples of greed, I don’t think the Fedor vs. the UFC is a very useful one.
"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito Ortiz on Vitor Belfort at Affliction:DOR
by Rundownloser on Dec 30, 2009 10:09 PM EST up reply actions
The point was more that Dana White doesn’t really deal with other promoters. There really isn’t UFC fighters facing Strikeforce fighters with Dana having to deal with Scott Coker. Even though boxing might not ever become centralized, more popularity will force mma to become a lot more delocalized.
by Waldo Rastel on Dec 30, 2009 9:32 PM EST up reply actions
more popularity will force mma to become a lot more delocalized.
We are going to have to agree to disagree on this point.
"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito Ortiz on Vitor Belfort at Affliction:DOR
by Rundownloser on Dec 30, 2009 10:11 PM EST up reply actions
Simply trying to make a ‘mo peoples mo problems’, point coupled with the fact that popularity/money will attract people with a lot of money that are going attract top-level talent and Dana is going to have to deal with them cause he won’t be able to snuff them out.
Just the way I see things eventually working out. If you don’t agree, thats fine…
by Waldo Rastel on Dec 30, 2009 10:25 PM EST up reply actions
I gots to agree with Waldo
As MMA gets more money thrown into the pot, fighters will look to other promtional companies which give them a better share, higher profile etc (basically what boxing has with its promotors). In essence, you get the Emilenko problem where he can make more money by not signing with UFC. Given that UFC currently doesn’t fight anyone not UFC signed, if a large enough percentage of fighters split off, they will have to actually deal with other promotion companies which brings us back to where boxing is, I would imagine it basically impossible that this doesn’t become a bigger problem in MMA in the future.
Monetary Damages
I have no idea how he can prove that he is suffering monetary damages caused by the baseless accusations of Floyd Mayweather, et al. The man has tons of endorsements, no one takes the allegations seriously, and the only person not willing to fall of backwards for him is Floyd Mayweather. Seems like a far-reaching case, and something that has to be Koncz’s idea….
Also
Why isn’t he suing Paulie M while he is at it? He has said much worse things about Pacman than any of the Mayweathers, yet since he doesn’t make him take a blood test, he’s cool? If you are going to claim to be principled, at least stick to them when there is an obvious violation…..
Mayweather is the man he’s negotiating with and the one whose accusations (and those of his partners) would theoretically actively cost Pacquiao money by canceling a major fight. Malignaggi isn’t involved at all, he just said shit.
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by Scott Christ on Dec 30, 2009 9:17 PM EST up reply actions
So he’s suing Golden Boy and mayweathers for believing their own opinion? This is just getting plain stupid, but it does strengthen my beliefs that Manny is embracing American culture….
by Waldo Rastel on Dec 30, 2009 9:37 PM EST up reply actions
It’s all stupid for sure.
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by Scott Christ on Dec 30, 2009 11:57 PM EST up reply actions
What a joke Pacquiao is
This guy is pathetic. I’m seriously starting to question this guys character. I’m starting to think he is a big ole phony. Why not agree to the testing and silence the skeptics? Why the hell file a lawsuit? He really should be concerned with making the biggest money fight in boxing history. Instead he’s busy filing silly lawsuits and seemingly preventing the fight from happening. Pacquiao is embarrasing the sport that has paid him tens of millions of dollars. What an ungrateful piece of shit this guy is. I really hope every future opponent demands blood tests when they fight this phony. Maybe now that he’s exposed he will never fight again.
by The Autumn Wind on Dec 30, 2009 9:30 PM EST reply actions
Is it time?
Could the unthinkable time where we accept that fact that Manny might actually be refusing to go along with all of this because he does actually need the performance enhancers to function so highly at the weight?
At this point what other possible explanation could there be? We’ve gone past the marketing and contract leverage ploy marks. He’s going to pass up 30-40 million dollars because he won’t take steroids tests.
If you are taking steroids, you don’t file a lawsuit that will hinge on your insistence that you are not on steroids. A lawsuit that will invariably bring more scrutiny than a simple blood drug test would ever bring.
by Waldo Rastel on Dec 30, 2009 10:29 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed
If anything this solidifies my beleif that pacquiao isn’t on PEDs rather than shakes it.
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by Drunken cutman on Dec 31, 2009 6:30 AM EST up reply actions
Maybe that's why he filed the lawsuit
It may bring that arguement to the publics perception. But him filing a lawsuit in reality will not make him take a test, the Mayweathers are the defendants in the case, they have to prove their innocence
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
I guess we can talk about Pacquiao v. Foreman here?
Arum said that’s the fight he wants according to the bottom line on ESPN. They also said March 20. If Mayweather fought Paulie the 13th, would they be back to back PPVs? that’s probably a stupid question
The one minute synopsis I got from my quasi-wife
who’s a litigator, was that nobody actually ever sues for defamation unless they’re a celebrity, because you’ll never actually get more money back than it would cost to litigate the matter. He might have a valid claim, but a lawsuit would mostly just be to get people to shut up and to be a pain in the ass.
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I gotta say, I’m getting tired of the people saying Pacquiao is a crybaby for filing this lawsuit and not submitting to Mayweather’s ridiculous demands. It’s become commonplace these days in all sports that any time someone does something great, they’re automatically accused of using performance enhancers. And if they fight it, they’re called a liar, and called names for not taking a zillion tests to clear their name…and of course, even when you pass your drug tests, the labels and accusations still stick. Its bs. Yes, some people doing great things have ended up being on steroids. But now its become commonplace for everyone to call people out for even daring to be great. Sickening.
Finally, someone is sticking up for themselves when they are accused of using performance enhancers…rather than just bitch and moan and slink off into the dark. It’s nice to see.
That being said, I’m pretty shocked they actually filed. It’ll probably be dismissed once they get the fight set up, though. It’d be really really dumb to leave that much money on the table over something so petty.
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by ZeroIndulgence on Dec 31, 2009 2:27 AM EST reply actions 3 recs
I disagree. Many of my favorite baseball players reacted the same way as Manny when allegations of PEDs in baseball first popped up. They all turned out to be juicing.
Initially I thought this was a bunch of a garbage, but the more Manny behaves like Clemens and Bonds, etc. the more I begin to doubt him.
Manny sees Floyd’s thug act on the world stage as a bad message to the youth of today, he’s just shutting him up until he can punch him in the face legally
As Waldo said, if you’re a drug cheat you don’t invite the eyes of the law into your house.
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Thug, lol
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