Danny Green looking to eliminate all of boxing's Grumpy Old Men
I was all set to sit down with my late night (early morning at this point) stomach ache, and I wanted to write an article about Danny Green, the Aussie slugger that more or less finished off Roy Jones Jr. in 122 seconds on Wednesday in Sydney.
Something like, "Danny Green: The Man That Killed the Rematch," though hopefully, a bit punchier (pardon the pun).
So I went around looking at local Aussie articles to see what all Green had to say while basking in the glow of his massive victory. While those of us in the States have seen Roy as damaged goods for years, and many have even seen him as just plain shot, Jones' star was still of great power in Australia, where the American icon reportedly earned about $10 million for his trouble.
After all, he's Roy Jones Jr., and while Australia has been promoting some big domestic fights for a while now, this was something different. An event. A legend coming to town. Roy Jones Jr.!
And Danny Green knocked him out.
Danny Green's a hard-working guy. He seems like he's strong in character in a classic, Western movie sort of way. Not a man you'd want to cross, but not a man out to cross anyone deliberately himself.
But the events...
The "events" have led Green's team to targeting frankly absurd fights with 47-year old Evander Holyfield and even 43-year old Mike Tyson. Oh yes -- there's Tyson's name again.
Green's trainer Angelo Hyder had this to say:
''We need fights that will stop the public and I have no doubt of that … we saw it with Roy Jones,'' Hyder said. ''Last year he [Holyfield] fought Nikolay Valuev for his WBA heavyweight title fight and he lost a tough bout on points … that says something. Getting Evander Holyfield - the former undisputed heavyweight champion of the world - to fight Danny will capture the world's attention.''
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''Boxing needs fights that excite and inspire. If we can bring Mike Tyson out of retirement, he'll be an opponent for Danny, too. You can't tell me people wouldn't want to see that. Before Danny came out of retirement we considered fighting John Hopoate for his Australian heavyweight title and Sam Peter, The [Nigerian] world heavyweight champion, so he is prepared to move up.
''Another possible opponent is [former IBF world cruiserweight champion] James Toney. You can see their spar from a few years ago on YouTube when Toney was a heavyweight and Danny was a lot smaller. There's a possible high-profile fight.''
Needless to say, my stomach ache did not improve upon the reading of this piece.
Green, who can still make 175 pounds probably, has turned down the very idea of fighting Chad Dawson. "Bigger fish to fry," he says.
"Bigger" is right if he's looking at Holyfield, Tyson, Toney or Peter. Holyfield is 47 years old. Toney hasn't been a legitimate contender in years. Peter has been toiling with tomato cans and journeymen since Vitali Klitschko humbled him in 2008, as Top Rank looks to rebuild his career seemingly from the ground up. And Mike Tyson is a fat old man who by most accounts has no real desire to ever fight again, and probably fought the last five or six fights of his career without that desire, too.
I want to like Danny Green. I want to celebrate his victory, because it was a big moment for Australian boxing. I'm not Australian, don't personally know any Aussies, and have no ties to the culture at all. But I love when boxing thrives no matter where it is, and Green's win was the sort of thing that can truly kickstart interest in the sport in a country, and as I said before, Australia has had some big fights in recent years already.
But the names they're throwing out... come on. "Legacy"? It might grow domestically with a sideshow fight against Holyfield, who is zeroing in on his AARP membership, but outside of his homeland, no one will care. Jones, for all his faults as a fighter anymore, was still a top 10, maybe top five guy at light heavyweight coming into the fight. Holyfield is in Taco Bell ads, waiting for someone to give him his umpteenth crack at winning another "world title."
Gary Shaw (Dawson's promoter) said, "If his claim to fame is that he beat an old man, and he can go to sleep happy with that, then good on him, let him do that."
That's pretty much where I am. Again, all due respect to Danny Green. He may well have put a legendary fighter -- and still a pretty decent boxer in his own right -- out to pasture with a stunning TKO. But if he's looking at legacy and seeing Evander Holyfield and James Toney in his sights, it's clear how he defines "legacy."
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Somebody must've handed Angelo a joint at the post fight party..
And Mundine was denied entry, seriously. — The media’ down here are going bloody beserk over Danny’s win SC, saying it’s all this and all that. If Danny really wants some cred his team should be looking at Dawson, Cloud , Hopkins or Pascal. Danny’s no Cruiser – he looked a solid LHW in the ring.
"Anytime you go thirty rounds with a guy, try to kill each other, and have the utmost respect for each other, no one understands that, but guys who have been to war understand it." - Micky Ward on Arturo Gatti.
by Goatsnake on Dec 4, 2009 9:14 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
he's now got huge cred in Oz
and if I were him I’d rather target a Holyfield/Toney than any of Dawson et al, much as that might stink as a fight, its probably the smarter way for him to go….
I hated every minute of training, but I said, ‘’Don’t quit. Suffer now and live the rest of your life as a champion.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)
by BrianBrock on Dec 4, 2009 11:52 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think after Marquez vs Mayweather did so well most fighters will be happy to put on a one sided freakshow with two completely mismatched opponents if it puts money on the table.
It’s more about the namt attached rather than the fight. If Tyson came out of retirement his drawing power is his last name first and foremost so there isn’t any reason it wouldn’t be a successful fight.
Hype and last names sell fights and we’ve had plenty of scams in boxing lately that people not only paid for but would probably pay for again.
Danny Green the Australian KO artist vs Mike Tyson the Old Legend would do business and not nearly as much of the boxing faithful would complain about it as you think. Sure it’s a complete mismatch but the last complete mismatch did 1.05 million PPV’s.
Same shit, different day.
by MannyPacquiao on Dec 4, 2009 10:39 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Oof
I’m fine with Danny looking to cash in on his big win, but good lord, these fights stink.
by The Boxer Rebellion on Dec 4, 2009 11:41 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Think green as in $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Dec 4, 2009 6:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ah I think its great
at least he’s not setting his sights too high or anything. The trainer must have been on the same stuff as one of the Foxtel commentators; ‘When you beat a legend you become a legend!!!’
I hated every minute of training, but I said, ‘’Don’t quit. Suffer now and live the rest of your life as a champion.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)
by BrianBrock on Dec 4, 2009 11:48 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
What happens when you beat a has-been?
You face an even bigger has-been in your next fight
by FCF on Dec 4, 2009 6:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
‘When you beat a legend you become a legend!!!’ Sounds like a quote I might use.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Dec 4, 2009 6:13 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

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