Steve Collins: The Forgotten Warrior
by Bad Left Hook on Dec 4, 2009 7:47 PM EST
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Ted Sares looks back on Steve Collins, the Irishman who challenged for world titles at middleweight and then in the mid-1990s went on a run that qualifies him as one of the great super middleweights in the division's short history.
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I‘ll fight him [Roy Jones] in a phone box in front of two men and a dog.
--Steve Collins
...it's like having your teeth broken...Yeah, sickening. That's what it felt like, it was sickening....you feel the searing pain, then it's gone in an instant.
-- Collins describing what it's like being hit by Nigel Benn
With the shocking descent of Roy Jones Jr. over the past five years (5-5-0 since 2004), it's perhaps timely to look back at the "Celtic Warrior" and his uncommon body of work. After all, a fight between the two could never get made back in the day but in retrospect, it may well have involved Collins giving a prime Jones all he could handle and maybe more.
Steve Collins fought from 1986 thorough 1997 and retired with a 36-3 record. What most fans don't realize is that he won his last 15 fights in a row, 11 by stoppage. Even more impressive is that this iron chinned Irishman from Dublin retired as WBO super middleweight title holder, something very few champions ever accomplish.
Among his early victims were Sam Storey (for the Irish Middleweight Title), rugged Tony "The Fighting Postman" Thornton and Kevin "Killer" Watts (for the USBA Middleweight Title.) His first loss was against future Hall of Fame inductee Mike McCallum in 1990 for the WBA Middleweight Title. It was one that I saw live at the Hynes Convention Center in Boston; in fact, I saw him fight many times as he did most of his early work in the Boston area. After losing to the "Body Snatcher," he won 5 straight before dropping a razor thin and controversial MD to Reggie Johnson and a close UD to Sumbu Kalambay both in 1992. He rebounded by winning the WBA Penta-Continental Middleweight Title in 1993 by knocking out South African Gerhard Botes.
Finally, after relocating to England from Boston, he won the WBO Middleweight Title with a KO over the very capable Chris Pyatt (42-3) in 1994. He then would close out his career as he continued the aforementioned streak of wins. Incredibly during this run, he fought and beat Chris Eubank twice in succession in 1995. Eubank was 41-0-2 coming into the first fight. A year later, he stopped Nigel Benn two times in a row. Benn was 42-3-1 at the time of the first duke. While Admittedly, both opponents were past their prime, what the Celtic Warrior accomplished has to be considered a remarkable feat given the stature of those two legendary Brits and the fact Collins was defending his crown.
Amazingly, he had book-ended his career with 16 wins at the start and 15 at the end--with a beginning and ending TKO as icing on the cake.
Collins, the quintessential professional, toiled in Scotland, Ireland, Wales, England, Northern Ireland, France, Italy, Atlantic City, Las Vegas, the Meadowlands Arena in New Jersey and, of course, in and around the Boston area. More to the point, he was an extremely tough, iron-chinned, tenacious, and skilled fighter who took on the very best.
When they conduct the International Boxing Hall of Fame ceremonies this coming June, let's hope this great warrior is no longer overlooked.
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HHhmmmmm? Don’t know.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Dec 4, 2009 8:15 PM EST up reply actions
I have put out an alarm on this. I might start a contest. First one to guess who it is gets a bottle of Scotch. “Might.”
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Dec 4, 2009 8:35 PM EST up reply actions
First one to guess who it is might get a prize.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Dec 4, 2009 8:36 PM EST up reply actions
photo is of this guy http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=175447&cat=boxer
an american hw not steve collins irish mw smw
I hope this one is better
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
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And let me know if you want to change the caption
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Man, it does my heart good to see you on here brother. Stevie could have been in a Southie Muder Movie ala Whity Bulger. He looked like an IRA type guy which is toi say he looked very tough with his watch cap on and two day’s growth of beard. But he was a decent sort all the way. I knew him when I hung around Dorchester (which I still do) and Southie.
Hope things are going great for you bro, and if not, think of “poor” Cheata Woods.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Dec 4, 2009 8:34 PM EST up reply actions
LOOKING at Nigel Benn
hitting someone is enough to make me want to sit down. T
Benn, Watson, Thompson, Eubank—they all were on the UK Expressway, but Collins flew under the radar. Man, those 5 guys could have competed with the very best the US had to offer IMO and Collins beat two of them twice each!!!! That is an ACCOMPLISHMENT.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Dec 4, 2009 8:57 PM EST up reply actions
Steve Collins
This is a very good work over a good fighter and wrote by an excellent boxing historian
by martin sosa cameron on Dec 4, 2009 8:58 PM EST reply actions
Hey my dear friend, many thanks for your kind words.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Dec 4, 2009 8:59 PM EST reply actions
Collins was a fine fighter. But to think a prime Roy Jones would have any kind of problem with him is hilarious. I mean come on now.
Man, is that you. How are you doing VD? I agree, Roy would have beaten him, but not as easily as some think.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Dec 4, 2009 9:37 PM EST up reply actions
I like your avatar!
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Dec 4, 2009 9:41 PM EST up reply actions
Funny that
A man he defeated twice (Benn) is usually one of the louder calls I hear for the Hall.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Yes, indeed. And also Eubank. Yet he beat themm both twice, and Eubank was undefeated when he first beat him! Something is wrong with this picture. I know Stevie’s brother brought a bit of shame down on the family, but that surely must have nothing to do with this.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Dec 4, 2009 9:40 PM EST up reply actions
Honestly
His fighting style wasn’t as flashy, his record wasn’t as glamorous and he was a lot less English. About Benn or Eubank, people make the argument that if they were American, they’d already be in the Hall, but I think you can say the same for Collins. Also, I don’t think the standards for induction are quite as weak as people make them out to be. It’s mostly just that there are a lot of really bad picks in there, especially in the pre-war era. And a lot of pretty good fighters from the last 30 or so years aren’t in there, and people tend to use comparative arguments against other guys who aren’t in to justify not voting for them. For instance, I’ve seen the arguments for Yuh Myung Woo, who has as good of a Hall case as anyone who’s not in, justified that his opposition didn’t match up to Benn’s. Could easily make the converse argument, and enough people need to vote the same way for anyone to get in.
By the way Ted, are you a member of the BWAA?
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Well, I used to be a few years back, but I resigned. I don’t want to be tied down to any organization. I want to be independent. I belong to IBRO and to Ring 4 Veteran Boxers in Boston. That’s more than enough and I have a lot of great mates and former great fighters in Ring 4 to lunch with each month. IBRO provideds good history info for me as well. .
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Dec 5, 2009 10:19 AM EST up reply actions
Glad to see the photo got sirted out but who was that in the first photo? We have a contest going on…..
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Dec 4, 2009 9:38 PM EST reply actions
Per Boxzilla
The current American heavyweight prospect Steve Collins.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Oh my God. That is funny! I owe you a bottle of scotch
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Dec 4, 2009 9:46 PM EST up reply actions
sorted-typo
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Dec 4, 2009 9:38 PM EST reply actions
Slightly off topic….Arreola weighed in at 263 pounds for his fight with Minto Sat night….that officially makes him the worlds’ largest chimichanga.
He is truly gross. No disciline. Minto could surprise him. I hope he does. 263 is a disgrace.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Dec 4, 2009 10:46 PM EST up reply actions
He won’t. Minto is absolutely made for Arreola. He will get crushed. I’m seeing an early knock out. Maybe first round if Arreola wants to catch the hot dog man before he runs out
by Violent Demise on Dec 5, 2009 1:48 AM EST up reply actions
great fighter. one of the most underrated guys of the 90s for sure. benn and eubank always got the pub and the showtime televised fights and stevie not so much.
@mikefareri on twitter.
Tru dat!
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Dec 4, 2009 10:46 PM EST up reply actions
I only watch steve around the time he beat Eubank the first time
I was only around 9 or 10 at the time,its still nice to see him get some recognition
Stephen Quadros: Where do you see yourself in three years.
Quinton Jackson: Let's see, I'm 22 right now. In three years I see myself being 25.
Tough fighter from a tough era of MW's and SMW's.
I remember his fine effort against McCallum at a time when he had only a handful of pro fights. Steve beat my homeboy and a fave of mine at the time, Chris Pyatt (who beat Kalambay) for the title. Too bad Collins/Calzaghe never materialised but Steve withdrew due to injury and was stripped of his title. Hard as nails, always admired the guy.
"Anytime you go thirty rounds with a guy, try to kill each other, and have the utmost respect for each other, no one understands that, but guys who have been to war understand it." - Micky Ward on Arturo Gatti.
i'll be truthful
And let me not be of the ilk that won’t admit a mistake — the true Steve Collins was fairly easily confused as clean-shaven with the latter Steve Collins when one was drunk on, well, scotch.
The Glenfiddich, to be precise. And later, Jameson. Do forgive, and be merry, my friends.
Ted bringing new (quality) folks to BLH is such a wonder.
from me, btw
Bad Left Hook
"If bulls**t was poetry, Ray 'Boom Boom' Mancini's name would be Shakespeare." -- Dennis Rappaport
I watched most of his fights drunk
Let me get this straight, the new photo at the top – he’s the guy on the left?
by FCF on Dec 5, 2009 5:24 AM EST up reply actions
Excellent article, rec'd
a few of the earliest fights I saw live involved Steve Collins, and the fights with Eubank and Collins remain classics for me, and you really never hear about him anymore, even on this side of the pond, compared tot he other two.
I hated every minute of training, but I said, ‘’Don’t quit. Suffer now and live the rest of your life as a champion.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)
Yes, it’s strange. That’s oone of the reasons I wrote this. To revivve some memories and to maybe get this on google so it’s picked up in the UK and Ireland
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Dec 5, 2009 12:24 PM EST up reply actions
SIR TED- where do you come up with these great articles-I swaer you will be sitting in your house listening to your wife and you have these flash backs to boxing and boxers of yore-Thank God for that-I agree 100% Stevie ahould be voted into the hall of fame-he brought it everytime and never disappointed—-hopefully you get into the hall also my friend you have done alot for boxing also-one last thing what is the B.W.A,A, stand for I was thinking Boxing Writer Alcohol ANON??? just wondering keep these great articles coming SIR TED-peace
BWAA stands for Boxing Writers AAssociation of America and most of the top writers like Hauser and Borges belong. Guys who get paid to write. I personally don’t want tb be beholden to any organization, but I ahve no problem with them. Thye are cool.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Dec 5, 2009 1:14 PM EST up reply actions
Some people
are just plain great, and some are tough. As often as not, I like tough just as much.
Can
one officially become “not a fan” of a particular fighter? Because I’d like to fill out the “not a fan” form on Chris Arreola right now.
At 263 pounds, that some serious lard. Man, if he passes gas tonight, he could nuke the entire arena!!!
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Dec 5, 2009 1:12 PM EST up reply actions
Also, you can do thaty for Kelly Pavlik, but perhaps at great risk.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Dec 5, 2009 1:15 PM EST up reply actions
Now this is where I live Ted ! Watched Collins KO Wayne Ellis in Cardiff back in the early 90’s. ‘Twas the golden (modern) age of Brit boxing . I loved Steve Collins – the fights with ( a wellllll past it Nige – also the Gerrald Mc. tragedy had a huge effect on Benn the fighter and Benn the man )) , the physc-out of Eubank , where Collins sat in the corner with his hoodie up pretending to be hypnotised before the fight and even the small part he played in a very funny Brit flick where he played a bouncer . ( I read he was recently pulled by the law for smacking out a bouncers teeth at a night club door in London ( I think ?) . Seems the poor guy didn’t know who he was and wouldn’t let him in – bet he knows who he is now !! .
One of the reasons I love boxing is ’cos of guys like Collins – teak tough – great work ethic – low key but nasty !
Massive shame he never got it on with Jones et al ( by the way I think a prime Jones would have beat the lot of ’em – b wtf am I ?) That fight would have been a good ’un .
Nice one Ted .
by Sir Jack Daniels on Dec 5, 2009 1:01 PM EST reply actions
Sir Jack, I recall Steveie walking around Brockton back in the day with his short buzz cut of red hair, and an unshaven face, He looked like an IRA hit man. Mark Richie has used him in a couple og flicks, I believe. When he beat Sam Storey for the Iris Middleweight title, that was a big thing in the Boston area. The lads drank Jameson with a Black backup that night in Southie
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Dec 5, 2009 1:19 PM EST up reply actions
Big shout out to bikermike , es and my mate in prov . Also I hear tell of jc40’s arrival .
Nice one fellas .
by Sir Jack Daniels on Dec 5, 2009 1:03 PM EST reply actions
Mnay of the lads are having troublle registering beause of a technolgy glitch. Hopeffully, they will be coming on soon. Meanwhile, I am working on a Scotch and Cigar Club debut on Bad Left Hook.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Dec 5, 2009 1:21 PM EST up reply actions
Ted – IRA hitman – lol ! Yes , your right .Steve did well to stay away from the real boyo’s though – Eamonn Magee should have follwed his lead . The IRA shot Eamonn once in early ’90’s then pulled him out of a car in Belfast and broke both his legs with baseball bats( a year or two after the Hatton fight as I remember ’03 or ’04.) Nice guys the boyos!
Great article though mate – brought back a flood of memories .
Great site also .
by Sir Jack Daniels on Dec 5, 2009 1:31 PM EST reply actions
The Boyos can be a nasty bunch, indeed. Always do their thing with a bit of a twinkle in their eyes and sone Black on their breath.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Dec 5, 2009 1:44 PM EST up reply actions
Scotch and Cigar Club ? Nice one . Bring it on !
by Sir Jack Daniels on Dec 5, 2009 1:39 PM EST reply actions
Good Day
to Sir Jack. Which Ritchie film was Collins in? I’ll look for it. I had not heard about Eamonn Magee upsetting the IRA. It’s true, isn’t it Sir Jack, that there are tough people and then there are VERY SERIOUS people? But then the tough folks often just don’t have it in them to be made sufficiently nervous by the VERY SERIOUS folks. Matter of genes, I guess.
Any suggestions for topics. Of course, I will include a squib on Pavlik.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Dec 5, 2009 1:40 PM EST reply actions
( oops!) Genes
I might add, that I don’t have. I hope to always know when to cross the street and when to wait.
From the web: "In 1998 he appeared in the film Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels (directed by Guy Ritchie) as a boxing gym bouncer.
In 1999, he made a cameo appearance in U2’s video for “Sweetest Thing.”
Collins featured in the British TV reality show Commando VIP that aired on Five. It put six celebrities through tough military-style challenges after being trained by three real commandos. He appeared alongside fellow ex-boxer Nigel Benn."
Guy Ritchie did" Rock n Rolla" (as well as Modona)
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Dec 5, 2009 1:42 PM EST reply actions
A wee bit
of early discussion Manny/Floyd might be interesting. There are some smart boxing voices on here (and you’ve managed to start bringing the real voices from ESB while leaving the hysterics behind) and I like listening .
IT was MANDATORY
to do Mandonna at that time, wasn’t it. “Rock n Rolla” is on tonight, I think. One of the pay channels.
Great film, I’m waiting for the second one. Richie knows how to make a film. Did he not do “Snatch” as well? BTW ,is “Mandonna” spelled right or was that a Fruedian slip on your part which I truly hope it was not?
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Dec 5, 2009 1:50 PM EST up reply actions
Well, my early take is that a “great big man beats a great small man.” The operative word here is “great.” But I’ll break this baby down later and try to get a fix on it. Two diffrent styles. Offensive vs defensive. That could end up in asnoozer. But Manny does not know what the word “snoozer” means so I do think he will force the action. Still, way too early to tell. Thats just my first gut reaction.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Dec 5, 2009 1:48 PM EST reply actions
Prov
Yo mate . It is true ‘dat – theres tough and theres SERIOUS . Then again there is deadly serious – back in the day the boyos were having field day with the bombs and the bullets . Then the UK elected Maggie Thatcher – she did not mess around that gal .
She sent in the SAS and …..well urrrmmm lets just say its like I said – there is tough , then there is SERIOUS but there is also DEADLY SERIOUS . lol !
Google Magee wiki for the lowdown on the brokes legs episode etc. Don’t know if I’m allowed to post links ?
by Sir Jack Daniels on Dec 5, 2009 1:48 PM EST reply actions
I told Prov about a guy I met by accident in Southie a few months ago. He was super deadly serious. Man oh man. But he is a damn good boxing fan and that’s all that really counts.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Dec 5, 2009 1:52 PM EST reply actions
MAN-donna?
I officially retire to the Old Yank Home.
No comment
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Dec 5, 2009 1:55 PM EST up reply actions
Meanwhile, poor MRBILL is having problems getting on and ES has forgotten his pasword. I am getting a crapload of emails, but unlike the old site, I don’t want to post them, as I want the senders to join the site.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Dec 5, 2009 1:54 PM EST reply actions
Its all that counts on a boxing site mate . True ’dat .
by Sir Jack Daniels on Dec 5, 2009 1:54 PM EST reply actions
You know, when the old stiie no longer became a sanctuary" that’s when I knew it was time to move on. I begrudge no one who posts on there, nor do I harbor any ill feelings. Simply timefor me to move on to a diffrent environment where boxing is the focus.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Dec 5, 2009 1:57 PM EST up reply actions
Now Maggie
Thatcher. there was a man. SAS: the Brit form of the SEALS, yes?
Mr Bill
Forgot his password ? Tell him to type in p o r n – it bet its that .
by Sir Jack Daniels on Dec 5, 2009 1:56 PM EST reply actions
Prov – Special Air Service – the model nearly all special forces units are based on . More akin to your Delta than SeALs .
by Sir Jack Daniels on Dec 5, 2009 1:57 PM EST reply actions
I wonder what ES’s passwrod is, dare I ask?
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Dec 5, 2009 1:58 PM EST reply actions
I know
that I read an article about them (SAS)—think it was about the heavy-duty physical training. Maybe I have them mixed up.
bet es has the password t u m b o . Not .
by Sir Jack Daniels on Dec 5, 2009 2:00 PM EST reply actions
HHmmmmm. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. HHmmmmmm.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Dec 5, 2009 2:02 PM EST up reply actions
Hey knows, wher in the hell did you come from? How are things in Las Wages?
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Dec 5, 2009 2:01 PM EST up reply actions
YEAH, cHAVEZ SHOULD HAVE DRUNK IT INSTEAD OF PPUTTING IT IN A VILE FOR TESTING. SALUTE, TEURINO
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Dec 5, 2009 2:03 PM EST up reply actions
Meanwhile, i believe Khan has made a rant re race, and Chavez Jr. was found with somthing strange in his urine. OH OH, here we go.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Dec 5, 2009 2:01 PM EST reply actions
Collins and
Marivn Hagler have a disagreement on a Brockton street corner. What’s the outcome?
Prov – google "Iranian embassy seige , Princes Gate , London " then try "Gibralter IRA " – All should become clear .
Ted – yes "if I was white I’d be a superstar " sort of thing . I think its been blown up . Khans normally such a mellow kid .
by Sir Jack Daniels on Dec 5, 2009 2:04 PM EST reply actions
Hope so, because I was becoming one of his fans. I do think he will beat Salita tonight. But the, look what Yuri Foreman did to Santos. He beat the crap out of him. BooooOOOINGG!
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Dec 5, 2009 2:05 PM EST up reply actions
Collins wins the street fight, but Hagler kills him in the ring. By his own admission, hagler wanted no part of street fighters.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Dec 5, 2009 2:04 PM EST reply actions
Collins was the type of guy that didn’t need a ring – it just happened to be there when he fought . He would have been just as happy fighting in the mountains above my hometown along side Jimmy Wilde in the olden days I’d bet .
by Sir Jack Daniels on Dec 5, 2009 2:09 PM EST reply actions
Saw Hagler with
a pure-D street fighter in amateurs. Off subject, but related to Deadly Serious talk. Oliver Stone was on WGBH last night talking about his time in Vietnam (he was wounded twice, believes one was a mess up by fellow American—not well placed handgernade [sp?] and all that) and pointed out that he was NOT a warrior (though he apparently did his job) but that there were warriors out there and we’d need them, and more, in Afghanistan. There are some true serious fellows in the world for sure.
Yes Ted – I think he’ll win tonight but that chin – theres always that chin ( imo his hands are fantastic – speed , power – the kid can throw his hands about no doubt ) . Thats why I like watching Khan .- great hands and a dodgey whiskers can make for great boxing merryment .
by Sir Jack Daniels on Dec 5, 2009 2:13 PM EST reply actions
The Prescott KO was a fluke IMO. An dhe was later exposed to an extent by the Mexican guy who exploited his typical Colombian style of punching with wide hooks and leaving yourself open for the stiaght incoming stuff ot sharp and short counters. Urango is a classic example but i do like him a lot. He is a warrior. Perez who beat Agbeko is the best Combian fighter I have seen in years. This is all by way of saying that not too much should be read into the Prescott KO over Kahn
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Dec 5, 2009 2:18 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t know much about Salita.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Dec 5, 2009 2:18 PM EST reply actions
Prov – true . I’ll ask Ted to forward my email to you . Mail me sometime and I’ll send you a link or two that may interest you on that subject .lol .
by Sir Jack Daniels on Dec 5, 2009 2:18 PM EST reply actions
I’ll do it.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Dec 5, 2009 2:20 PM EST up reply actions
Going
to check out those links about poor Eamonn. Later.
Ted – me either . Word is hes a good , tough kid – hardworker in gym . Don’t know many guys hes fought – hard to gauge his level . If he can bang – he’s got a chance .
by Sir Jack Daniels on Dec 5, 2009 2:22 PM EST reply actions
“Bad legs Magee "he’s known as on the Falls Road nowadays .
by Sir Jack Daniels on Dec 5, 2009 2:23 PM EST reply actions
Ted – that ko wasn’t a fluke – it had been coming . Michael Gomez nearly stopped him . That was no fluke either .Roach has done sterling work though .
by Sir Jack Daniels on Dec 5, 2009 2:26 PM EST reply actions
Oh, the KO itseldf was no flike, but the facy=t Khna got caught by it was IMO. But th eproof will come out tonight depending on what Kevin Miutchell does to Prescott. If Prescott waxes him, I’l give you your proper due on this thread. Gomez never gave his oppentents an easy fight. He was a Brit ’"Gatti" IMO I loved watching that guy work.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Dec 5, 2009 2:29 PM EST up reply actions
Typos, sorry, Ugh
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Dec 5, 2009 2:29 PM EST up reply actions
KEVIN MITCHELL-BREIDIS PRESCOTT OFFICIAL DECISION 119-110
118-111
117-111
KEVIN MITCHELL by unanimous decision
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Dec 5, 2009 5:18 PM EST up reply actions
I took care of the email request. As foor Salita, his level of opposition is not compelling. He did beat Gover Wiley who will awlays lay claim to being in a boxing trivia quiz. HEH HEH.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Dec 5, 2009 2:26 PM EST reply actions
Nice one Ted . "Gover Wiley " – ? Bald , white guy ?
by Sir Jack Daniels on Dec 5, 2009 2:30 PM EST reply actions
Ted – Ref : Gomez – also loved watching him from early on . There was Hatton , Farnell and Gomez , all came out of the same Manchester area . Hatton hit it big , Farnell burned bright early then faded away – Gomez decided he wanted to be a boxer/gangster and threw away his much of his career . Trouble was never far from Michael all his life .
by Sir Jack Daniels on Dec 5, 2009 2:35 PM EST reply actions
Pity that. He could have been something.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Dec 5, 2009 2:37 PM EST up reply actions
He stopped Chavez Sr. but Chavez Jr. iced him. Redempion, I guess. He is 38-12-1 and has seen his best days.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Dec 5, 2009 2:36 PM EST reply actions
I knew jnr iced – didnt know he fought the old man . wow . Bet that hasn’t happened before ?
by Sir Jack Daniels on Dec 5, 2009 2:38 PM EST reply actions
Ted ref : Gomez – I think he may , with a bit of luck , have got to be a title holder for a short time .P****d alot of the good years away much like the miserable Scot – Scott Harrision . Now thats THE bible on how to totally screw your own bright future . What an idiot .
by Sir Jack Daniels on Dec 5, 2009 2:43 PM EST reply actions
Think AA
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Dec 5, 2009 4:58 PM EST up reply actions
Just took a crash course
on SAS. A lot of folks seem to be make “suspicious” moves around them. Result: dead suspicious folks. I read about the training as well. Damn! Now I’m going to look up Michael Gomez and then get back to work before I flunk out of life.
Sir Jack, Note that Prescott lost and Khan won-heh heh. I am a Khna fan again.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Dec 5, 2009 5:41 PM EST reply actions
Of course ! How else was it supposed to go . lol !
by Sir Jack Daniels on Dec 5, 2009 6:00 PM EST reply actions
HAHAHAHAHA
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Dec 5, 2009 8:13 PM EST reply actions
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