Updating: Antonio Margarito's hearing has begun
The CSAC hearing with Antonio Margarito and Javier Capetillo has begun, and the California state attorney general said that the fighter should receive "the harshest penalty possible," which would be a license revocation for at least one year.
UPDATE from the L.A. Times:
Inspector Che Guevara testified in three years and 150 hand wraps he had never seen such a pad.
"It was sweat-soaked, thinner and harder in certain areas, not hard as a rock, but firm and hard," Guevara said, adding it had a stain "like old blood" on it. "It was not flexible. It was very firm."
The harder pad was first discovered, Guevara said, by Mosley's trainer Nazim Richardson, who oversaw the wrapping. Margarito's taped right hand was then unwrapped, where another harder insert was found. State commmissioners felt the insert in a plastic bag Tuesday.
The other insert is in the hands of the state attorney general's office. The "foreign substance" on the insert has yet to be identified, and won't be known until mid-March, a state official told the California State Athletic Commission at its disciplinary hearing for Margarito and his trainer Javier Capetillo.
UPDATE:
Dan Rafael is on ESPNews right now talking about the hearing. "The way they were going to portray it is that Margarito had no idea what was happening..."
Rafael says, "They're basically just taking Capetillo and throwing him under the bus."
He also says that the commission itself will have to explain why they didn't catch it before Naazim Richardson did, and that the hearing may go longer than just today. I think that's likely.
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It's a real shame that ESPNews has been replaying the same Alex Rodriguez stuff for six hours and can't be bothered to cover this event whatsoever.
Guess again buddy. They’ve been on that shit since Saturday! Apparently that was more important because the results from Darchinyan-Arce were far from shown.
Anyone that has any decency... please let me know if the Urango-Ngoudjo's 10th round fight is over.
by CRAZEDANG1280 on Feb 10, 2009 1:25 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Inspector Che Guevara........
Surely you jest…..
Does the fact a boxer doesn't switch weight divisions during their career detract from their overall P4P ranking?
Cos I'd take Hagler over most heavies in history, P4P, and also over "6 weight world champion" Oscar De La Hoya, and Marvellous Marvin never really messed about with his weight, did he?
by Chaos100 on Feb 10, 2009 2:22 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I do not
"I was trying to rob him. And he took my gun from me. And the gun was full of blanks. And he shot a blank into my eye. And now I cannot see from this eye ever again, the doctors say."
"Well to be honest it sounds like it's all your fault."
by SC on Feb 10, 2009 2:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yah
Really?
Brady Hoke, Al Borges, and Rocky Long. Aztec football is back!
by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Feb 10, 2009 2:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The AG is definitely hinting at criminal charges to come.
This is very bad already. But the fact is that nothing on God’s green Earth can stop the Cotto match from happening… as sad as that is. And it’s not just because of Uncle Bob, either… if Evangelista and Miguel could swear on a stack of bibles that they wrapped Tony’s hands themselves they would. I’m sure there was a lot of rage in Camp Cotto when this news about the wraps first came out, but I’m equally sure that Bob “set them straight” and told them to “think about the future.” Sick stuff, but money makes the world go around.
"I want to see ocean. I want to see black people. I want to see palms." - Wladimir Klitschko
by jrok on Feb 10, 2009 2:27 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
There's some things they can do to prevent it
If criminal charges are filed and they want to be proactive, they can file for an injunction preventing the fight and seek for the injunction to be enforced in Mexico pursuant to treaties. Still, that seems like a lot to go through and is relatively unlikely.
What SC quoted Rafael saying above is what I’ve been saying all along. It’s really Margo’s only legitimate defense, that he had no knowledge, so of course that’s what his lawyer will be trying to do. If Capetillo knows he’s SOL anyway, he’s not going to testify that Margo knew about it unless criminal charges are filed and he gives testimony in exchange for a deal. Either way, Capetillo will probably be banned from training in the US from now on. Fortunately for him, his gym is in Mexico.
Vogt early, Vogt often.
by Brickhaus on Feb 10, 2009 3:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
what's the law?
If the AG is going to file charges, what’s the relevant law in Cali? Attempted aggravated battery? Attempted murder? There would have to be specific intent shown on Margo’s part, that he specifically intended to use these loaded hand-wraps, which requires that he had knowledge of their existence, correct? Without a relevant witness, someone from Margo’s corner besides Capetillo, testifying to Margo’s knowledge, I think the AG’s got a tough row to hoe here.
I think there should be a statute purely for combat sports, holding fighters strictly liable for criminal defects in their equipment. Ignorance should not be a defense in this situation, mostly for the public policy of protecting fighters, and less so for the public policy of protecting the game from the appearance and reality of corruption.
Imagine this type of situation in the NFL. Not steroids, but someone messing with their equipment. What if a linebacker or strong safety made hardened edges on their shoulder pads, covered by some sham pad? If a caught player said ’we’ll I got the pads from the equipment manager, I didn’t know they were dirty’, the public backlash towards the player, the management and the equipment personnel would be of epic proportions.
What if an NHL goon, who occaisonally have knuckles taped, was found to have a metal bracket sandwhiched in? His defense: “I didn’t know, the trainer taped my hand”. Would ignorance be a defense? Not in my mind, not in the mind of the public. The outcry would be immense. This should be too.
Overall, my point is this: boxing participants are largely part of a class that is not white collar, not blue collar, they’re no collar, and/or no shirt. While we have a massive public outcry, including Congressional hearings over steroids in baseball, where the consequence is merely a principal or maybe a couple of principals, here we have life-threatening consequences. Why the difference in focus?
How many times has Margo had his hands wrapped? I mean wrapped for a fight, not for training or sparring. I don’t know what his amateur experience was, but probably like 100 total times. He knows damn well if there’s a piece of hardened ‘something’ in his wraps or not that doesn’t belong there. Anyone whose ever had hands wrapped for a fight knows exactly what it feels like, it’s a unique sensation. I’d imagine having a hand tape with a ‘firm insert’ is also pretty unique, especially when it’s all ‘wet’. I think anyone whose been there could easily and instantly determine the difference. I don’t think I can pay for anything Margo’s ever involved in again…
by lcollins1 on Feb 10, 2009 4:54 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah
I wish that they would just broadcast the hearing so we can see what kind of specific questions are being answered. I have the feeling they ribbon-wrapped Margarito, and slipped the inserts into one of the middle folds, which would disguise a flat square shaped object pretty well. But whether you did it that way or the old-fashioned way, you would feel it. No question, you would feel it, unless maybe you had you hands doped up.
My guess is that expert testimony could be added in if Capetillo flipped and a criminal indictment came down. But Capetillo won’t flip unless he is facing hard-jail time. And I don’t think that would happen unless:
1) The claim about the pads being also used in the Cotto fight is backed up by DNA or blood-dating evidence on the inserts themselves and
2) Cotto cooperates with the investigation…. Not a guarantee considering the mega-fight rematch that he’d be giving up and
3) The California Justice Department transfers the evidence to the Nevada AG (not sure how this specifically takes place under federal law) and
4) Nevada decides to open and investigation and file charges.
Its a long chain of events, but I guess its possible. You’re talking years of trials and appeals though.
"I want to see ocean. I want to see black people. I want to see palms." - Wladimir Klitschko
by jrok on Feb 10, 2009 5:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Nevada has already investigated and closed their investigation. Barring new evidence that his hands were actually wrapped this way against Cotto, Nevada’s not getting involved.
Vogt early, Vogt often.
by Brickhaus on Feb 10, 2009 6:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That's what I'm saying...
Point is that the California prosecuting attorney raised the Cotto issue in the commission hearing… which means they believe they have “something” regarding that fight. Whether it’s physical evidence or testimony remains to be seen, but I doubt Chapelle would have attempted to bring up the Cotto claim unles they had something to back it up. If so, than Nevada could absolutely re-open the case.
"I want to see ocean. I want to see black people. I want to see palms." - Wladimir Klitschko
by jrok on Feb 10, 2009 7:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ha, that inspectors
name is Che Guevara ? That kicks ass
by Upstait on Feb 10, 2009 2:47 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Not a good day for the sport of boxing thus far…
by Zocalo on Feb 10, 2009 3:35 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
More news…
The California State Athletic Commission has revoked Antonio Margarito’s boxing license, putting the boxer on suspension for at least one year.
Which means he can’t fight in the US for a year…
by Zocalo on Feb 10, 2009 5:39 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
that's the max
It’s an indefinite suspension.
"I was trying to rob him. And he took my gun from me. And the gun was full of blanks. And he shot a blank into my eye. And now I cannot see from this eye ever again, the doctors say."
"Well to be honest it sounds like it's all your fault."
by SC on Feb 10, 2009 9:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He probably won’t get it back when its time for revision of licensing within a year.
Anyone that has any decency... please let me know if the Urango-Ngoudjo's 10th round fight is over.
by CRAZEDANG1280 on Feb 11, 2009 9:35 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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Capetillo said that the handwraps were of another fighter, already used, and that he mistakenly took those instead of a new ones. Is that possible at this level?
by Mauriki on Feb 10, 2009 7:16 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

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