Official picks thread for this weekend's fights
Week three begins! We've got two major cards, one on Friday and one on Saturday. You don't have to pick every fight...but it's recommended. Let's see if I can avoid a genuine boner of a pick this time around.
Friday, February 27 -- Showtime
Tomasz Adamek v. Johnathon Banks (Cruiserweights - Adamek's Ring Magazine world championship and IBF/IBO titles on the line)
Manny Steward has said nice things about Banks, and I love the fact that he's trained and sparred with Wladimir Klitschko, who by all accounts is one of the hardest-working fighters in the sport. For all the talk of the flabby heavyweights of recent years, neither Klitschko brother has ever fit that mold. They are rocks.
Though Banks is the American and Adamek was born in Poland, Newark is Adamek's town. They overwhelmingly supported him when he beat Steve Cunningham (a Philly fighter) in December. Adamek has lived in Jersey for years and is very, very popular there. He'll have home field advantage in a big way.
This is also Banks' first huge test. The best fighter he's beaten is probably Eliseo Castillo, a small Cuban heavyweight that once lost to Wladimir himself and thought coming down to cruiser might do the trick in 2006. Banks knocked him out in the fourth round, after picking himself up off the canvas twice in the first.
The good news for Banks is he's shown resilience, has great training and preparation, and has sound folks that believe in his chances in this fight. The bad news is that Adamek is a well-rounded fighter that has the ability to box circles around him if he chooses to (Banks is no Cunningham in hand speed or movement), and will be more than happy to bang with him if it comes to that, too.
I just don't see this one ending well for Banks at all. Adamek KO-6
Giovanni Lorenzo v. Dionisio Miranda (Middleweights - IBF Eliminator)
The winner of this one gets the chance to fight Arthur Abraham if (snickersnicker) Abraham can, uh, "get by" the dangerous challenge of Lajuan Simon. Lucky winner of this fight...
Lorenzo was last seen in June getting outfoxed by veteran Raul Marquez in what was also an IBF eliminator, which Lorenzo lost handily even though the scores were 114-113 Marquez across the board, and Marquez technically only won because Lorenzo was docked a point in the 10th for a headbutt. Thank goodness that referee Jorge Alonso made that call or poor Marquez -- who retired after a whomping against Abraham -- would've been robbed of a win.
Lorenzo better be improved as far as movement goes, because Marquez hit him plenty and Marquez doesn't hit like Dionisio Miranda does. Miranda has 17 knockouts among his 19 wins, and out-fought Sebastien Demers to earn a road win split decision in Montreal last August.
Neither of these guys are top-flight dudes, really, and it'll probably be a slugfest. Miranda has been knocked out twice, and that alone is making me lean toward Lorenzo even though I don't think Lorenzo is all that great. Both have heavy hands -- we know Miranda can be torched on the chin. Lorenzo TKO-7
Saturday, February 28 - HBO
Juan Manuel Marquez v. Juan Diaz (Lightweights - Marquez's Ring Magazine world championship, Diaz's IBO title, and the vacant WBA and WBO titles on the line)
This one is for all the marbles at 135 pounds as far as anyone that matters is concerned. When two sanctioning bodies agree to put up vacant titles in a single fight, you've got something that can't be argued with. Marquez is the lineal champion, and Diaz was reigning as the people's champ before losing to Nate Campbell a year ago. With Campbell gone to 140, these are the two top dogs at lightweight. You don't get championship fights any more legit than Marquez-Diaz.
Add to that that this one promises to be a hell of a scrap and you've got something that is must-see for a fight fan. Marquez is a counter-puncher, but he's one of the most fiery, ready-to-throw counter-punchers you're ever going to see. Diaz is a workrate machine. Put those two together. The keg's gonna blow, y'all.
Marquez has been hurt by Manny Pacquiao in two of the best fights of the decade, but Diaz is not a puncher like Manny is. Marquez may be getting older, but he picked himself up off the mat last year against Pacquiao and fought him tooth-and-nail for 12 grueling rounds. When you look at what Pacquiao did to David Diaz (KO-9) and Oscar de la Hoya (Oscar quit after eight) later in the year, it's even MORE impressive now.
Diaz has good wins. He does not have a great win. Popo Freitas was past it and didn't have the heart anymore by the time they fought, and while Julio Diaz is a heck of a good fighter, he's not someone that's going to be remembered for all times. Marquez is. If Diaz beats Marquez, he instantly leaps into the top 10 pound-for-pound. That's how big of a win it is for him.
And that's all well and good, but I have some questions, and they center on Diaz's heart. Look, the cut man sucked against Campbell, but Diaz crumbled in that fight. Campbell went hard at him from the opening bell, got in his face, talked trash, showed him he wasn't afraid of a go-go-go fight, and when the cut opened up and Diaz's terrible corner didn't take care of it, Diaz lost control of the fight entirely. Nate took him apart in the latter half of that bout. Diaz was totally in it before then.
It's not a question of talent. But what's Juan gonna do when it's not easy? Yeah, he beat Freitas, and Freitas made it kind of easy after the first few rounds. Julio Diaz for whatever reason gave him no resistance. And Michael Katsidis came out and tried to box, which is like Evander Holyfield not bulling with his head.
I think Marquez forces Diaz to work harder than Juan might be prepared for. I'm not big on the "spoiled" B.S., or the "kid" B.S. either. Juan's a grown man and a tough guy. But he's yet to prove a lot of things. I don't think he can beat Marquez. I don't think he has the resolve. Marquez UD-12
Chris John v. Rocky Juarez (Featherweights - John's WBA title on the line)
And making his first trip ever to the U.S. as a fighter, Chris John everybody!
John's taken his shot from hardcore American fans in the past, including me, because he's refused to travel to the States. There are good fighters in his class over here. Now he shuts us all up by taking not just a fight in America against a legit challenger, but he's facing Juarez in Juarez's backyard to boot. Good on John and Golden Boy for making it happen. As one of those that maybe bashed John a couple times for the home field fights, I'm appreciative, because one of the reasons I did it was that I want to see him fight. He's a world-class fighter.
And that leads right into my pick. Juarez is a great guy who gives it his all. He's got trigger problems, and against a guy who has faster hands, that might not be so hot for him. As much as I like Rocky and do openly hope he wins so he can say he was a world titlist at one point, I have the feeling he peaked with the first Barrera fight. He's been jumping back and forth between 126 and 130, and the last time he fought a top opponent (Marquez at 130 in '07) he was torn to pieces.
There is the chance that John kind of wilts finally fighting out of his comfort zone. It's a real possibility. I think Rocky might hang for a bit, but by the middle rounds the cream will rise to the top, and Juarez will be hitting reset yet again. John UD-12
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Picks
Adamek KO 8
Lorenzo KO 7
Diaz UD-12
Juarez UD-12 He has to finally win a title fight doesn’t he.
by TXroyal on Feb 25, 2009 8:43 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Adamek – KO 8
Lorenzo – KO 8
Marquez – UD
John – UD
by keyz on Feb 25, 2009 10:01 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Adamek KO9
Lorenzo UD
Marquez UD
John UD
by schraubd on Feb 25, 2009 10:21 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Adamek UD
Lorenzo KO9
JMM TKO10
John TKO7
by strike4A on Feb 25, 2009 10:31 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Picks
Adamek UD
Miranda SD
Marquez wide UD
John SD (in a clear win for John, but one homer judge scores his card for Juarez)
Vogt early, Vogt often.
by Brickhaus on Feb 25, 2009 11:04 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
And FWIW
John destroyed Tommy Browne in his backyard. John beat Enoki in his backyard. He beat Sato in his backyard. He beat Takemoto in his backyard. He just hasn’t fought in this hemisphere, but he’ll probably have to more often because he’s already pretty much cleared out everyone in Asia and Australia.
Vogt early, Vogt often.
by Brickhaus on Feb 25, 2009 11:08 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Or in other words
I don’t think that being out of his comfort zone will be an issue. The bigger issue might be that his fighting style doesn’t tend to be well rewarded by American judges. Too many American judges base their scores on aggressiveness, even if the aggression is ineffective. Fortunately for John, Juarez isn’t the most aggressive fighter in the world, and his quick counterpunching style should play well against someone who doesn’t pull the trigger that much and who isn’t that quick when he does.
John might change his gameplan a bit for this fight due to the US TV exposure. I’m sure the brass at GBP has let him know that if he only throws 40 punches a round, it will be tough to get him another fight in the US, even if he wins dominantly.
Vogt early, Vogt often.
by Brickhaus on Feb 25, 2009 11:11 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
John SD (in a clear win for John, but one homer judge scores his card for Juarez)
Ooh jeez, good call.
"If they cut my bald head open, they will find one big boxing glove. That's all I am. I live it." -- Marvin Hagler
by SC on Feb 25, 2009 7:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Adamek KO 9
Lorenzo KO 6
JMM TKO 11
John UD
by boxingstudent on Feb 25, 2009 12:13 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Mine
Adamek KO 6
Miranda TKO 7
Marquez UD
Juarez SD
by Pops Daniels on Feb 25, 2009 2:35 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
And . . .
Adamek UD
Lorenzo TKO 10
Marquez UD
Juarez SD
by Option27 on Feb 25, 2009 2:35 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Marquez wins, 8th round TKO. Diaz is too one dimensional and just "comes forward" (really boring to watch from my perspective). Marquez will snipe him all night and finally drop him. He’ll barely get touched. HIs footwork and elusive defense is too good for juan. Easy night for marquez.
by cylee1180 on Feb 25, 2009 5:41 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Does that make Hatton boring also
pretty much the same style just Hatton has more power.
by TXroyal on Feb 25, 2009 5:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
actually
If anything I think Diaz is probably more “fun” to watch simply because he holds less.
"If they cut my bald head open, they will find one big boxing glove. That's all I am. I live it." -- Marvin Hagler
by SC on Feb 25, 2009 7:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
He is one of my favorite fighters. I don’t see how nonstop action is boring but to each there own.
by TXroyal on Feb 25, 2009 7:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
^ Period
as a mexican-american college student who lived in houston for most of his childhood i might be biased but the baby bull dominates.
saturday JMM goes down and the world will see a new champ from HOUSTON
The Dude Abides
by battle axe of doom on Feb 25, 2009 9:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I was going to go to the fight on Saturday in Houston
I had some good tickets and I had to sell them to my friend bc I have to work Saturday afternoon and Sunday morning. That sucks bc it was a birthday gift from my aunt but she is going to get me tickets to the lightweight tourny in Austin on April 4th.
by TXroyal on Feb 25, 2009 6:05 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
that's a kickass aunt
"If they cut my bald head open, they will find one big boxing glove. That's all I am. I live it." -- Marvin Hagler
by SC on Feb 25, 2009 7:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
She is also getting me a Escalade and a job
with her company when I finish college this summer. Guess I’m lucky to have a rich aunt.
by TXroyal on Feb 25, 2009 7:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Adamek – KO 9
Lorenzo – KO 5
Marquez – UD
John – UD
-Brian
by bp on Feb 25, 2009 6:19 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Here we go
Banks -UD
Lorenzo- Tko 6
Marquez-UD
John-UD
by Upstait on Feb 25, 2009 6:57 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
My picks (first time I haven't missed this thread....)
Adamek by TKO in the 9th
Lorenzo by TKO in the 5th
Marquez by UD
John by TKO in the 9th
Does the fact a boxer doesn't switch weight divisions during their career detract from their overall P4P ranking?
Cos I'd take Hagler over most heavies in history, P4P, and also over "6 weight world champion" Oscar De La Hoya, and Marvellous Marvin never really messed about with his weight, did he?
by Chaos100 on Feb 25, 2009 7:23 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I'll also go for;
Tyson Fury to win by KO in the 4th
Jon Thaxton to win by UD (European title fight)
Does the fact a boxer doesn't switch weight divisions during their career detract from their overall P4P ranking?
Cos I'd take Hagler over most heavies in history, P4P, and also over "6 weight world champion" Oscar De La Hoya, and Marvellous Marvin never really messed about with his weight, did he?
by Chaos100 on Feb 25, 2009 7:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Adamek TKO 8th
Lorenzo TKO 6th
Juarez UD
Diaz UD
The Dude Abides
by battle axe of doom on Feb 25, 2009 7:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
My picks
Adamek TKO 9th Will be a boxer puncher kind of fight with bit of both. Eventualy Adamek gets in there and sends Banks down and will wobble him few times in maybe 7th or 8th round
Lorenzo TKO 6th Both will come out to swing. Lorenzo’s chin holds up longer
Marquez UD Marquez counters – counters – counters till Diaz thinks twice about letting his hands go
John UD John out boxes all night long tho like brickhaus i think the cards will be closer than the fight
by sigidy on Feb 25, 2009 11:47 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Adamek KO 6th round… He is just a world class fighter and Banks has not proved to me that he is one. I don’t think he can withstand Adamek power shots.
Lorenzo KO 8th round. No analysis given.
Marquez UD. I just think he is in another class compared to Diaz. Marquez has shown that he can get out of adversity unlike Diaz.
Juarez UD… Why? I think the judging will leave a lot to be desired. John has also had problems with his weight. John should beat him given but he won’t for various reasons. I still don’t like him.
by Zocalo on Feb 26, 2009 10:22 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Picks
I won’t comment on tomorrow fights because I have not seen those guys fight enough or at all. It should be fun to watch though. They look like the will end in KO’s.
Saturday Picks:
Juan Manuel Marquez KO over Diaz (10th round)
Chris John by UD
by JasonTryp on Feb 26, 2009 3:48 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
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Lorenzo KO 10 – This could be a decent scrap. Miranda will likely be looking to land a huge bomb and Lorenzo will be working more and wearing Miranda down. By the late rounds, the fight will be out of reach and I think it will be stopped.
Adamek UD 12 – Wish I had seen more from Banks. Just have a feeling that Banks will end up in survival mode and Adamek will win a wide decision on inside work and the occasional sharp headshot in what will be far less exciting than the Cunningham fight.
John UD 12 – Rocky Juarez is just not a world class fighter. He’s middling offensively and god awful defensively. John will paint his face up all night. I could see a RTD or TKO for John on cuts here but more likely a dominant, impressive UD.
Marquez SD 12 – Love this matchup for JMM. Diaz may outwork him in the first few rounds but he will be open for the best counter shots in boxing and Marquez will begin piling up the points when Diaz finds he has no answer for JMM’s snapping shots. I say SD because Diaz is a pleasure for judges to watch. He’ll be busier than Marquez in a lot of rounds and even if he is ineffective, I figure a judge will be fooled and give him the fight.
by BabyBull1289 on Feb 26, 2009 9:39 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Picks
Well, I finally was able to leech an internet connection at this hospital I’m at in lower Manhattan. I’ve had complications with my broken ankle (infection), and I had to have surgery. Not feeling so hot. But I couldn’t resist making my picks here, groggy from the morphine though I may be (how’s that for dedication?). By the way, thank, Scott for noting that my one bad pick so far was a robbery in the boxing picks standings post. Anyway, here’s my calls for the weekend. I’ll have to miss the Adamek fight, but hopefully I’ll be home in time for Marquez / Diaz.
Adamek TKO4
Lorenzo, UD
Marquez, UD
John, UD
by Matt Miller on Feb 27, 2009 8:50 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Oh I’m on better than Darvocet my friend…
by Matt Miller on Feb 27, 2009 12:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Picks
Adamek TKO 5
Lorenzo TKO 10
Marquez UD
John UD
by DRose87 on Feb 27, 2009 9:32 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Picks
Adamek KO 10
Banks doesn’t have enough rounds, let alone against anyone good.
Lorenzo KO 9
Miranda has fought a giant bag of nobodies.
Marquez UD
Toro!
John UD
I think this will be a good American debut for him. I hope he likes it enough to come back.
"I want to see ocean. I want to see black people. I want to see palms." - Wladimir Klitschko
by jrok on Feb 27, 2009 11:04 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Picks
Adamek KO 7
Lorenzo KO 6
Marquez TKO 9
John UD
by BrianBrock on Feb 27, 2009 1:05 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
picks
Adamek KO 9 – I don’t buy Adamek as sweet, but Banks can’t get it done
Miranda KO 10
Marquez KO 10 – tempted to take Diaz based on proven lightweight. So now when my pick is wrong, can point to this as some mitigation right
John UD- really haven’t seen much of this guy
by lcollins1 on Feb 27, 2009 3:13 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
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I hope its not too late for tonight’s fights.
Juarez by UD
Diaz by SD
Brady Hoke, Al Borges, and Rocky Long. Aztec football is back!
by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Feb 28, 2009 12:22 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
My picks for tonight
John UD 12
Diaz SD 12
"Karma - there it was. The meaning of life, straight from Carson Daly's lips to my morphine-laced ears." -Earl Hickey
by BLee2525 on Feb 28, 2009 8:16 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

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