HBO in talks for Angulo-Cintron, Berto's next fight
by Scott Christ on Mar 16, 2009 11:51 PM EDT
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Rick Reeno of BoxingScene.com reports that HBO is in talks to stage a fight between junior middleweight prospect/contender Alfredo Angulo and former welterweight titlist Kermit Cintron.
Angulo (15-0, 12 KO) has fought his last three fights on HBO, running over Richar Gutierrez, Andrey Tsurkan and Cosme Rivera. He was meant to step up in competition against Ricardo Mayorga in February, but that fell apart. Cintron (30-2-1, 27 KO) was gifted a draw decision against Sergio Martinez on that February card in his first bout at 154 pounds.
If it can get done, the fight will take place on the undercard of Andre Berto's May 30 welterweight title defense. Dan Rafael reported a few days ago that Lou DiBella was attempting to match Berto with 140-pound titlist Juan Urango, but Reeno says there just might not be enough money for that to happen. HBO, as reported by Reeno and Rafael, would prefer Berto face ex-welterweight champ Zab Judah. Berto-Judah is definitely a more "name" fight than Berto-Urango, and both sound interesting to me. DiBella seems to have wanted a "softer" touch for Berto after he had a tough fight with Luis Collazo in January, but that does not fit the HBO agenda anymore.
All the fights are pretty attractive, though I think Angulo demolishes Cintron. Angulo is essentially a Margarito clone in style, though Kermit does have the lightning to at least test his chin. I get the feeling Angulo's chin is a-ok, and that Cintron would get broken down in the middle rounds. I'd favor Berto in either of his potential fights unless Judah could come up with something big. Urango would be too slow, I believe.
Thoughts?
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I’d love to see Judah v. Berto, not sure what happens there. The last charge of Zab and his band of craziness? The rise of a new true star?
I believe that Angulo will crush Cintron. I don’t believe Cintron has great mental toughness, nor the ability to stick to a game plan. Like you said, Cintron will hit Angulo, and we’ll get to see what happens then.
well at least angulo is not a slickster like sergio martinez is so it SHOULD make for a much more entertaining fight, but as previously mentioned it will eventually end up with cintron destroyed
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by battle axe of doom on Mar 17, 2009 1:25 AM EDT reply actions
I would hate to see Berto give Judah a chance to become relevant. The guy has more lives than a black cat.
I do like the idea of seeing Angulo vs Cintron. Cintron is nothing more than a gatekeeper at his stage given how he has looked vs someone who is world class.
OT-I want to see Torres vs Urango.
"Boxing is dirty," said Casamayor. " The day I’m not ready to be a dirty fighter is the day I don’t fight anymore because it will mean that I have no heart for it anymore."
by Zocalo on Mar 17, 2009 1:46 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
That's 2 for Torres-Urango
That’s an unexpected match up because with their style you won’t quite know what might happen. Still waiting on Torres-Holt though.
You know what man… you can take the stupidity out of Judah but you cannot take the popularity out of him. Or is it the other way around? It will be an interesting match-up either way. But it would be lovely to see Berto “maybe” get tested once more here and then probably Judah can get his ass knocked out. Which is an abvious “For our eyes only.”
Cintron… If it happens, maybe Angulo will knock him out so bad that he will remember how to do English interviews on the English networks.
"Count on us! We sponsored Margarito for several years." - CEMEX [Mexico's largest cement company.]
I just know that one of these days Urango is going to be matched up against a hot prospect at 140 or 147, get taken way, way too lightly and wind up knocking the poor guy completely out in an Upset of the Year sort of fight. He’s got that in him somewhere.
"I want to see ocean. I want to see black people. I want to see palms." - Wladimir Klitschko
Cintron has no right fighting a fighter with a winning record. He sucks! Martinez fight: “It was a f’n headbutt! It was a headbutt!” Left hand = headbutt. Got knocked out! Yeah, El Perro is better than Marg, he’s got defense and more ring smarts/ boxing ability to me. He will kill cintron in myabe 3 rounds, maybe 4. Berto vs. judah would be interesting only that there are two speedsters going at it. I really don’t like berto so far, i feel the further up hes gonna go, he’s gonna get exposed. This guy just has ahtleticism, i did not see anything special in the collazo fight. Collazo was the guy that mugged him at glove-point. Pc!
Collazo mugs everybody. He’s one of the slickest southpaws in all of boxing. Berto fought hard in a drastic step up in competition. Andre is still very young and needs to be brought along slowly with occasional fights to test his mettle like the Collazo fight.
Gimme 1 round!
should have replied to cylee
anyways… Cintron needs to just make a little more cash in boxing then move over to MMA and melt faces with 4 oz gloves on.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Mar 17, 2009 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I dunno, I think cintron will get creamed in MMA too. Just b/c he can punch doesn’t mean much. Guys in MMA can strike too, and if they can’t outstrike him, then they’ll take him down, pound him some, and arm bar or rear naked choke him. I think fighters are fighers, the heart/spirit/determination to be a great fighter is common in both sports. Let’s just admit it, cintron is a loser, a whiny loser (it was a f’n headbutt!!).
I agree with the ‘heart’ factor, Cintron’s got very little. But he was like a national champion wrestler in High School. Yeah I know it’s just high school. But, he’s a good boxer and a good wrestler, that’s a pretty good start if he ever wanted to go to the MMA world.
yeah
Kermit’s one of the guys I think has the base skills to perhaps cross over and do fairly well. It’d take a while and the purses wouldn’t be the same (that’s the hardest part of anyone crossing over) but he could do it.
"If they cut my bald head open, they will find one big boxing glove. That's all I am. I live it." -- Marvin Hagler
by Scott Christ on Mar 18, 2009 1:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Maybe if he flames out completely
But in the meantime, he probably still makes more cash as a contending boxer than he would in MMA unless he becomes an elite fighter. For all of the talk of MMA passing boxing, the money’s still much better in boxing for his level of fighter and up. I can see him trying to convert if he loses this one though.
Vogt early, Vogt often.
This is exactly true
The boxing model pays 1000% better at the elite level. But if he goes into a downward spiral his style would be absolutely electric for MMA’s best division which is super heavy on grapplers and submission artists and notoriously weak on guys that can strike. (Sprawl and brawl is almost non existant at 155 in MMA. He would be the best that MMA’s ever seen in that regard.)
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Mar 21, 2009 1:54 AM EDT up reply actions
He was an elite level amatuer wrestler
It was his soph year of college he started boxing
If i’m not mistaken his Frosh year, (last year of wrestling) he went undefeated and placed 10th in the nation.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Mar 21, 2009 1:51 AM EDT up reply actions
The step up was overdue, though. Berto’s walking around calling himself a “world champion” — listen, I don’t place any of this on Berto. If they offered him Shane Mosley or Miguel Cotto I think Andre would sign off in a heartbeat. DiBella’s trying to coddle him and protect his own interests, which is understandable but he appears to be one of the promoters trying to hold out on the changes that are coming courtesy of HBO refusing to take bad fights. Judah works for me, so does Urango. He does not need any more Miki Rodriguez or Michel Trabant fights. I really like Andre Berto and the Collazo fight showed me a ton of what he’s got. He was tested, taken into deep waters, and he emerged in the 12th round by showing phenomenal heart and letting it all hang loose. He won the fight because of the 12th round. It was awesome and I think that’s mildly overlooked about Berto right now.
Judah would show up for his usual six rounds (Floyd Jr. was 100% right about Zab, he’s a great six round fighter) and Urango would lunge and brawl and try to find a way. Hatton couldn’t dent him at 140 even though he clearly beat him. Both fights are solid.
"If they cut my bald head open, they will find one big boxing glove. That's all I am. I live it." -- Marvin Hagler
by Scott Christ on Mar 17, 2009 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I like the Judah fight
Cause I just don’t seem to like Zab for some reason and I think Berto mugs him. Urango would make that fight a brawl.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Mar 17, 2009 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Just curious, why are fights changed by the 12th round? for example, if a fighter fought and got most of the middle rounds, how does a single round change that? They said that Wright caused the draw b/c of the last round, but I still had him winning most of the rounds agst taylor. Like do judges go back and change their scores for the fight after the 12 round, or once they write it down then it’s good, they can’t change it after that round.
no
The official scores were 116-111, 114-113 and 114-113 for Berto in that fight. Had Collazo won the final round, Collazo would’ve won a split decision (114-113, 114-113 and 112-115). Two of the three judges had the fight up for grabs going into the final round, and Berto won it convincingly to win the fight.
"If they cut my bald head open, they will find one big boxing glove. That's all I am. I live it." -- Marvin Hagler
by Scott Christ on Mar 18, 2009 1:06 AM EDT up reply actions
and for the record
I had it up for grabs going into the 12th too.
"If they cut my bald head open, they will find one big boxing glove. That's all I am. I live it." -- Marvin Hagler
by Scott Christ on Mar 18, 2009 1:09 AM EDT up reply actions
No
You can’t change a round once you entered it, but if it’s a close fight, you need to win the 12th. Winky was retarded in the Taylor fight. He SHOULD have won the fight, but he took the 12th round off, thinking he had the fight won. I ended up scoring the bout a draw as well (and I think it was actually a pretty obvious draw – there weren’t a lot of close rounds in that fight – there were the rounds where Winky fought, and there were the rounds where he didn’t).
Vogt early, Vogt often.
I had Winky-Taylor a draw too
"If they cut my bald head open, they will find one big boxing glove. That's all I am. I live it." -- Marvin Hagler
by Scott Christ on Mar 18, 2009 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions
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