Pacquiao open to Marquez trilogy
by Scott Christ on Mar 4, 2009 10:50 AM EST
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If anyone was waiting for Manny Pacquiao to say something regarding Juan Manuel Marquez's constant badgering about a trilogy between the rivals, he has.
Pacquiao may have a May 2 megafight with Ricky Hatton coming up, and he says he didn't watch Marquez's epic win over Juan Diaz last Saturday, but Manny says he's heard Marquez's comments and that they should meet again to give people a victor between the two fighters.
Sounds great to me. I'd prefer Pacquiao-Marquez III to Pacquiao-Mosley or Pacquiao-Cotto, simply because there's unfinished business there. It's one of our great rivalries and a true winner has not yet been declared.
Also, can someone tell the Hattons already that beating Manny Pacquiao does not make Ricky the pound-for-pound best fighter? It doesn't work that way.
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Good to finally hear Pac say he is at least open to the fight.
And you mean Hatton will not jump 12 spots on your P4P list if he wins. I guess I will never know how these mythical lists work. Kidding of course even if he does win I would have a hard time moving him much higher then 8th on your list.
Good move on Manny's part
JMM is slowly but surely becoming more hittable. Pac still somehow seems to be improving. If they fight again 9 months from now, I expect Pac to have a close but clear victory, if for no other reason than their career trajectories.
Vogt early, Vogt often.
I really do expect Pacquiao will knock JMM out in a third fight. Marquez is still phenomenal but like you said he gets hit a lot now, and Pacquiao punches a hell of a lot harder than Juan Diaz.
"If they cut my bald head open, they will find one big boxing glove. That's all I am. I live it." -- Marvin Hagler
by Scott Christ on Mar 4, 2009 11:49 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I think Pacquiao can get the KO as well. But you just never know with Juan Manuel. I mean, After Pacquiao’s demolition of Erik Morales, some people thought he’d KO Marquez in the rematch too.
On Marquez getting hit a lot more now, I think that’s one of two things (or both actually). One, I think he’s trying to punch harder now which forces him to commit more and be a little more stationary just that split second longer. And two, he is going on 36 this year, so it may also be that his legs aren’t what they used to be.
Was watching the rematch the other day (I scored it 114-113 Pacquiao by the way, but you’ll get no argument from me if you have that score switched around), and Pacquiao STILL favored that straight left a little too much. I don’t know if you can blame him though considering how much success he’s had with it every time it’s landed flush on Marquez. But I really think he needs to mix it up more if he expects to finally settle this business with the smartest (ok, second smartest. Hopkins takes top spot) fighter in the world today.
you took every damn word out of my mouth. how do you “+1” people on this site?
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by battle axe of doom on Mar 4, 2009 11:49 PM EST up reply actions
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"If they cut my bald head open, they will find one big boxing glove. That's all I am. I live it." -- Marvin Hagler
by Scott Christ on Mar 5, 2009 12:22 AM EST up reply actions
i think manny finishes him off next fight.
jmm looked very vulnerable in the diaz fight. if diaz had anything in this fights but feathers the fight would have been over in the first round.
i dont prefer it over the other fights though. id rather see a different matchup like manny vs. mosley than a 3rd one of the same.
there's bidness to take care of
Pacquiao-Marquez is still a burning issue. I say finish it.
"If they cut my bald head open, they will find one big boxing glove. That's all I am. I live it." -- Marvin Hagler
I don't know
I’m a huge Manny fan, but JMM looked AWESOME. I could see why Roach wouldn’t want that fight.
Pacquiao/Marquez III is what the real boxing fans want, but a superfight w/ Cotto, Mosley, or Mayweather would bring in big-time dollars.
i'd rather see him get mosley's belt after taking hatton's
Pacquiao should go for history and gun for several championships, and forget those ‘unfinished’ business..
As a huge pacman fan, i’d rather see him go down in history of one of the best ever by going to several weightclasses and grabbing their belts, than see him KO marquez. And I also dont think marquez has much of a chance this time..
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by Anton Tabuena on Mar 4, 2009 8:26 PM EST up reply actions
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Hatton has a championship. Mosley has a belt.
"If they cut my bald head open, they will find one big boxing glove. That's all I am. I live it." -- Marvin Hagler
by Scott Christ on Mar 5, 2009 12:24 AM EST up reply actions
if manny gets mosley's wba belt, won't that count as a world title in a different weightclass?
well he’s the first asian / filipino to get 4, so if he gets hatton’s belt then thats a 5th, and mosley’s could be the 6th right?
or wait, what’s hatton’s belt? is it IBO or ringmag or what? (sorry, the stupid alphabet soup titles are hard to follow!)
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by Anton Tabuena on Mar 5, 2009 12:52 AM EST up reply actions
what SC means is basically what you’re getting at
SC means that hatton has a legit championshelp, and mosley has some alphabet belt. there isn’t a legit champ at 147
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by battle axe of doom on Mar 5, 2009 1:35 AM EST up reply actions
so hatton’s belt will count as a world championship? and mosley’s wont? cause i really dont care about the letter’s on the belt or how bad that org is, as long as the belt is recognized then its all good.
cause imagine if pacquiao had 6 world championships in 6 different weight classes. “mayweather who?”
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by Anton Tabuena on Mar 5, 2009 1:49 AM EST up reply actions
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It’ll count as far as boxers talking goes. He’ll have been a titleholder in x amount of weight classes, but champions are different and fewer.
"If they cut my bald head open, they will find one big boxing glove. That's all I am. I live it." -- Marvin Hagler
Really
Manny Pacquiao, would get his ass whipped by Mosley, Mosley is too strong for him, Mayweather wan’ts too much money and Cotto would be a good fight. JMM and MP fight would be great and JMM would win.
i bet you said that about de la hoya a couple of months ago too. :)
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by Anton Tabuena on Mar 5, 2009 10:26 PM EST up reply actions
different fight though
The key about “People That Picked Oscar v. People That Would Pick Mosley or Cotto, etc.” is that Freddie Roach said all along that Oscar could not pull the trigger anymore. He was so right it hurt to watch. No one thinks Mosley or Cotto can’t pull the trigger.
"If they cut my bald head open, they will find one big boxing glove. That's all I am. I live it." -- Marvin Hagler
So if roach said something like mosley wont be able to handle his speed or whatever you’d believe him?
and ofcourse roach wont talk about mosley or cotto because they still have hatton to deal with..
and i get your point too, i just want to know if roach said something to the same tune, would you guys believe him? or would you still think he’s wrong and that this guy is too big or too strong, etc, just like what happened the last time..
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by Anton Tabuena on Mar 6, 2009 2:01 AM EST up reply actions
I’m through doubting Freddie Roach. He’s always been pretty honest. He immediately said no to a Margarito fight because he thought Margarito was way too big and strong and didn’t have the issues Oscar had. I thought Roach would be wrong, but I also said prior to the Oscar fight (as several noted) that Oscar was also kind of touched too much against freakin’ Stevie Forbes, and that Forbes is no Pacquiao and we’re basically talking about the same size guy. Roach has said they’d fight Mosley or Cotto, which means he thinks Manny can beat them. I think Manny can. I don’t think he would. It’s a conflict, maaaan. I love Manny, but those are a couple of strong guys that aren’t going to stand there befuddled when Pacquiao hits them. Mosley gets hit and sometimes it turns into a bum fight for a minute because he just starts swangin’.
"If they cut my bald head open, they will find one big boxing glove. That's all I am. I live it." -- Marvin Hagler
by Scott Christ on Mar 6, 2009 10:53 AM EST up reply actions
as a manny fan, i'd take the mosley fight over cotto..
i think it would be easier for him since mosley wont have his biggest advantage over most of his opponents when facing manny..speed. Plus i think a win over mosley would be a bigger plus for manny than a win over cotto..
But what do i know? haha. im admittedly more of a manny fan than a boxing (in general) fan, so i wouldnt know as much details on the other guys as i know about manny..
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by Anton Tabuena on Mar 6, 2009 11:21 PM EST up reply actions
i think Marquez’s last few fights have really shown him coming to his peak. that confidence plus the knowledge of the outcome of the previous fights makes me think that he has a shot at beating Pac-Man…..Pac’s workrate is slower than the baby bull, but i’m worried about Pac’s strafing 1,2 combinations nonetheless.
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