Marquez - Diaz Rematch?
by thebitb on Mar 5, 2009 9:19 AM EST
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after watching a replay of the fight from saturday i wondered if the rest of the boxing fans in the country are as intrested in a rematch as i am.
One reason why i want a rematch is because im so high on Juan Diaz. The second marquez leaves the division diaz will become the class of the division. Cut issues aside he is talented and a former champion who's only 2 losses are to world class fighters. Maybe im so high on juan because, unlike sc, i feel like he went out like a champ against nate cambell when he was having all the eye issues. Fought til the end and never just rolled over. Same with his loss to marquez, he kept coming forward until marquez put him on the ground with great punches from a no doubt about it hall of famer. Another reason is that this was a great fight fought at such a high level of skill and was so competetive its almost as if we were cheated out of the rest of the fight because of the cut and knockout. Its the biggest fight to be made at lightweight still, and i know that the big fights for marquez are all above 135 (manny, hatton, flloyd etc.) but instead of waiting til late summer (at earliest) for the manny-hatton winner why not give juan the rematch. I know that most knockout victims are not awarded the privilage of a rematch but juan fought punch for punch with one of the two best fighters in the world. This is not meant to take anything away from Marquez, he won and put on a textbook display of finishing a fight with the 2 knockdowns in the 9th round. Its just that the fights hes looking foreward to arent available til late summer at best, why not fight again. Both are golden boy fighters so it would seem that the fight would be easy to make,and with the show they put on on saturday selling tickets will not be hard. what do you guys think? does juan deserve a rematch? does a rematch matter? are you intrested in seeing marquez-diaz II?
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I would watch it but
I don’t see how it would be any different. So I doubt it will happen. Juan is one of my favorite boxer and I would like to see him try to regain all the belts. I doubt Marquez fights at lightweight again.
Theirs other good fights
Diaz vs Cassamayor or Valero. Diaz is a good fighter, I was at the fight all I have to say if Diaz had power in his punches it would have been a diffrent fight
definately
there was the hook in the 2md round that staggered marquez. it landed so flush and did damage, but if he had any real power it would have been lights out right then and there
"After this, I'm gonna kick Bob Arum's ass."
-George Lopez
I’m pretty much the same as TXroyal. I’d surely watch it because it’s a matchup that can’t suck, but Diaz doesn’t have enough power to put Marquez down and at some point the fight will get too hard for Diaz and he’ll fold.
"If they cut my bald head open, they will find one big boxing glove. That's all I am. I live it." -- Marvin Hagler
That’s a little harsh. I mean, I know what you are saying, but I don’t necessarily think he “folded.” I reserve that description for the real living lawn chairs (dudes like Andy Golota and Olly McCall spring immediately to mind). Diaz fought a very good, hard fight against a better fighter, and largely went down swinging.
"I want to see ocean. I want to see black people. I want to see palms." - Wladimir Klitschko
He went down swinging. He also did so because he hit the panic button.
"If they cut my bald head open, they will find one big boxing glove. That's all I am. I live it." -- Marvin Hagler
by SC on Mar 5, 2009 3:33 PM EST up reply actions
What did his panic button look like? Because I didn’t see it. He kept trying to come forward. It was clear he was not coming on as strong as he was early on, but I don’t think panic is the right word. Juan Diaz didn’t have a choice but to fight the way he did.
Also, I don’t question Juan Diaz’s heart. He didn’t get sluggish and frankly strange like he did against Nate Campbell. I thought he continued to fight and try to make it happen. I like to ask the question: ‘did the fighter flop his nuts on the table?’ Crudely meaning: did he go for the win? And Juan Diaz went for the win through out that fight; that Marquez’s punches had a larger impact than we initially thought, or because Diaz’s chin isn’t as strong as we and he would hope is no fault of his. The kid fought his ass off.
Juan Diaz is as tough as he can be. There are different ways to be tough. You can be tough like Ali, with the combination of heart and a naturally gifted(and therefore cursed) chin. Or, you can be tough like Diaz, and have maximum heart with less talent. Whatever faults were evident in his fight with Marquez have nothing to with any mental issue on Diaz’s part. I cannot fault him for his ability to take a punch. He didn’t quit, he got absolutely knocked TFO.
As far as watching a rematch, I’d watch it but it would be the same outcome. I don’t know why they’d do it. Diaz doesn’t have the pop to KO Marquez. If he doesn’t pressure he gets sniped and KO’d, if he does he gets countered and KO’d. Same result. I’d rather see ’em both move on.
theres no shame
in losing to 2 world class fighters (and one who is in the top 2 p4p)
i felt he went out like a champ against nate despite the cut. he kept throwing and trying even though the cutman failed him horriably.
"After this, I'm gonna kick Bob Arum's ass."
-George Lopez
Diaz is definitely an entertaining fighter
but I just don’t see it happening any differently if they fought again. Marquez is just too good. I want to see Pacquiao/ Marquez III but that won’t happen for a while. Maybe we will get two rematches off of last weekend’s card, but I couldn’t really say no to either one. Both fights were just so entertaining to watch.
so
nobody thinks he can take the success he had in the 1st 4 rounds and extend that over enough of the fight to win? and im with jrok, i think sc is a little harsh in his criticism of diaz, some of it deserved, but we have to give credit where credit is due: juan is a very good fighter.
"After this, I'm gonna kick Bob Arum's ass."
-George Lopez
yes, he is
He’s even a pretty great fighter before being met with adversity. I’m not saying it’s easy to fight with a cut, or that he isn’t a good dude, or that I don’t like him (I like him quite a bit, in fact). But he’s proven in two losses that he does not handle a tough fight well. Marquez finished him off because Marquez is great. Campbell’s also “very good” and beat Juan convincingly once the going got rough. You can blame cut men or whatever, but Diaz is the guy fighting. I really hope it’s just a thing he’ll get over in a big fight someday. If he can do it once, I think it’ll never be a problem again. He’s a credit to the sport in all respects and I really respect the hell out of him. I’m callin’ it like I sees it is all and I don’t mean to sound disrespectful or mean.
"If they cut my bald head open, they will find one big boxing glove. That's all I am. I live it." -- Marvin Hagler
by SC on Mar 6, 2009 1:01 AM EST up reply actions
i know i’m starting to sound like a broken record here, but he didn’t do THAT bad in the 9th round. it didn’t look like he hit the panic button at all. he kept pushing forward and tried to land the combos that won him the earlier rounds, and got caught with a great combo by JMM. i just don’t see that as folding
i originally purposed a rematch between JMM and baby bull in the RBR coverage thread, so i obviously agree with the OP in wanting a rematch
The Dude Abides
by battle axe of doom on Mar 6, 2009 1:06 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I want to see it
Who wouldn’t want to see another fight like that? That was WAR! Even if Diaz has little more than a prayer of winning it, this fight was exactly the kind of fight i enjoy watching. And besides he always has that prayer. In my opinion. Marquez beats him nine times out of ten, but what if we see that magic “10th” fight?
In other words, if Diaz wants it and JMM wants it, then I want front row seats.
"I want to see ocean. I want to see black people. I want to see palms." - Wladimir Klitschko
I can understand this point of view
But personally I’d prefer Marquez take better challenges (assuming there are some for him) instead of a guy I’m going to be 97% sure he beats again in similar fashion.
"If they cut my bald head open, they will find one big boxing glove. That's all I am. I live it." -- Marvin Hagler
by SC on Mar 6, 2009 7:50 PM EST up reply actions
This conversation almost makes me long for the days when top fighters fought 7 to 15 times a year. Ray Robinson was probably the best fighter to ever glove up, but even the original “bull” took his lunch money once, if you can dig that.
"I want to see ocean. I want to see black people. I want to see palms." - Wladimir Klitschko
had nothing to do with toughness or a mental defect on Diaz’s part. He got KO’d trying to execute the correct gameplan, and the only legit gameplan he has in a fight with JMM.
His facial expressions and body language changed dramatically when met with adversity. He’s 0-2 when met with adversity. Well, 1-2, he did have one tougher fight pre-Freitas; I think it was Jose Cotto? I might be remembering wrong, though. He seemed emotionally distressed in that fight, too.
I just don’t see this as a good quality in a fighter. I don’t think any of our minds are changing on Diaz. I know I’m usually pretty balanced and avoid criticism (or at least avoid it for well-respected, well-liked fighters), but this is just my view of Diaz at this point.
"If they cut my bald head open, they will find one big boxing glove. That's all I am. I live it." -- Marvin Hagler
by SC on Mar 6, 2009 1:31 AM EST up reply actions
his emotions
changed drastically after getting the cut last saturday. in the corner before the 9th round he looked dejected and almost scared. But after that i feel like he came out punching in the round. complex guy that diaz. Does anybody see him taking charge of the 135 lb division when marquez leaves?
"After this, I'm gonna kick Bob Arum's ass."
-George Lopez
he could
I think Casamayor with his dirty tactics could still pose a problem to anyone, and Juan doesn’t punch hard enough to consistently back guys down if they’re willing to take shots, but he can outwork just about anyone. A fight I was thinking might be awesome when he was cleaning out the division and smoking Freitas and Julio Diaz was Juan going up to 140 in the next couple years and fighting Ricky Hatton.
"If they cut my bald head open, they will find one big boxing glove. That's all I am. I live it." -- Marvin Hagler
by SC on Mar 6, 2009 3:24 AM EST up reply actions
yeah me too
That’s one of the great missed opportunities, I feel.
"If they cut my bald head open, they will find one big boxing glove. That's all I am. I live it." -- Marvin Hagler
by SC on Mar 6, 2009 4:53 PM EST up reply actions
I have always liked this quote from Casamayor…
"Boxing is dirty," said Casamayor. "Period. Do you call judges who rig fights dirty? Do you call fighters who take dives dirty? The day I’m not ready to be a dirty fighter is the day I don’t fight anymore because it will mean that I have no heart for it anymore."
well
Casamayor is dirty because he’ll admit it. Hatton isn’t because he likes to have a pint with his mates at the pub and darts and yada yada.
"If they cut my bald head open, they will find one big boxing glove. That's all I am. I live it." -- Marvin Hagler
by SC on Mar 7, 2009 5:52 PM EST up reply actions
Great Fight
My hat off to Diaz he fought like a warrior but Marquez and his experience won the fight. I would like to see Diaz against Guzman,Cassamayor or Valero those would be all good fights.
I’d watch it, but I’m not interested or on the edge of my seat to watch it again. It would be the same result. Marquez is a better puncher, he’ll counter punch all night. After watching the fight, I realy don’t see what pple were raving about as far as the fight being THAT CLOSE. To me, diaz only really landed 2-3 combinations cleanly in the first 2 round, whereas marquez sniped him with sharp, accurate shots all night. Then in the middle rounds diaz did get into marquez more, but marquez never lost his composure and he kept up with the accurate combinations, and eventually diaz fell. Marquez’s chin held up, his heart was still there, and his body and mind were there b/c he picked diaz apart. Pple are right, i’d like to see diaz fight other good lightweights as well.
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