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Kellerman News: Kirkland and Max disagree, Max ripped by Steve Bunce

7kellerman_medium In a somewhat interesting article on HBO.com, James Kirkland and Max Kellerman disagree about the quality of Joel Julio.

Said Kirkland:

"Don't get me wrong," he said, "cause I never look past anybody I fight. But to tell you the truth, I just don't see this as being that big in terms of my opponent, because Julio has two losses on his record now and they both came to southpaws. And he's never faced up against a southpaw like me."

And Kellerman:

"This is definitely James Kirkland's first major league fight," Kellerman told me. "Before this it was like triple-A and now this is a major league fight he's having on Saturday. And if he wins this one, and then one more major league fight, then he'll be looking at the postseason, the really big fights."

Kellerman also added his frank opinion on where Kirkland's at career-wise:

"I actually think Kirkland is two losses away from getting bounced back to the pack," he said. "When you think about it, the only fighter in recent years who attacks with the same immediacy and urgency that Kirkland does is Michael Katsidis. And it took two losses for Katsidis to get bounced backwards, Casamayor and then Juan Diaz. Guys like Kirkland and Katsidis - people like to watch them not only because they win, but because it's such constant, naked aggression when they fight. And that makes them a little different than anyone else."

I'm glad he said "If you think about it..." That's like a David Milch show with "anyways" used constantly as the transition in topic.

Kellerman was recently ripped to shreds by Steve Bunce, who is full of hot air (and other things sometimes) himself:

Max and Bunce should fight it out, but Bunce better look out. Max is harassin' punks like Mike Tyson:

I'm also including a poll here, because Kellerman's starting to meet a TON of criticism, and even though I've tried to like him, even I'm leaning toward just flat-out not being able to stand him at times lately.

Poll
Grade Max Kellerman as a boxing analyst/broadcaster:
A
38 votes
B
55 votes
C
30 votes
D
19 votes
F
26 votes

168 votes | Poll has closed

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kellerman gets a lot of hate on the forums and some of it is deserved … personally he really doesnt bother me, but i would like to see him tone it down …

by 3zilla on Mar 6, 2009 12:00 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I have not seen the chris john fight, but I sure don’t like how Larry Merchant talked to Pacquiao after the dlh fight. Pacquiao can speak okay english, and his comprehension is pretty high considering he lives in the US and his trainer is American. Larry Merchant talked to Manny like a 3rd grader, and every time manny was on a roll, merchant would interrupt him , and at the end Manny was STILL talking, and Merchant interrupts the p4p greatest fighter in the world to end the broadcast. Lucky Manny is a much as a gentleman as he is a fighter. Otherwise merchant deserved a liver shot, but I like merchant most of the time otherwise.

by cylee1180 on Mar 6, 2009 12:05 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Merchant talks slow himself

Larry being Larry.

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by SC on Mar 6, 2009 12:06 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Larry’s often too shitfaced at the end of fights to be able to speak faster than a third grader.

by Matt Miller on Mar 6, 2009 7:14 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Here’s the hbo interview, notice how Larry Merchant talks to DLH and roach vs. pac:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8uAby0luPA

British interview, the reporter was RESPECTFUL to manny, and engaging, and notice how much more fluent manny’s english became in that comfort zone:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrvKK3D3-7I

Yep. Just making a point. I still like larry, but to me, he still treats pacquiao different from other fighters.

by cylee1180 on Mar 7, 2009 2:52 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

SC, thank you

That Max music video was the greatest thing I’ve never seen before. I thought it was going to be a joke. But, nope, Max was deadly serious. And, the shave head was more than I could handle. Don’t even get me started on the lyrics. I give it an A+

by kp the ghost on Mar 6, 2009 12:16 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Is the other guy Max’s deceased brother? The video’s bad, no doubt. The story about his brother getting killed by a boxer, don’t know his name, that was surreal.

Personally, I don’t like Max or Larry in the post-fights. I used to like Max, but now I feel like he’s trying to so hard to be some kind of media advocate for boxing that he comes off as insulting. ‘Did you not learn anything from the Nate Campbell fight?’ That was an insult to Juan Diaz, IMO.

I like Teddy Atlas. He’s not always right, he’s definitely got some grade A quirks, but he’s a true ‘boxing’ guy, IMO. I really like the weird ass breakdowns he does on FNF, on the beach or in a bowling alley. And, I think he accomplishes what Max sets out to do, but without being so tactless. For all his bluntness, Teddy can be pretty savvy. (Yes, I saw the dumb shit he said about MMA the other day).

by lcollins1 on Mar 6, 2009 12:40 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

‘Did you not learn anything from the Nate Campbell fight?’ That was an insult to Juan Diaz, IMO.

I even agree with the sentiment, but it was crass and the wrong time for the question. Ask him in three or four months if you ask it at all. It was hack journalism.

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by SC on Mar 6, 2009 1:04 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Juan Diaz took it really well tho. That guy is well-mannered as hell. Ask that same question to zab judah and you’ll find you got a handful…

by cylee1180 on Mar 6, 2009 1:19 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

yeah that’s half the reason it pissed me off. We don’t need to use ‘kid gloves’ because somebody’s more well mannered, but that question didn’t seem to belong there. And yeah, Diaz is a nice kid, he’s not going to make a scene with anybody. I would’ve liked him to say:

“you know Max I did my best. I tried to follow the game plan my corner gave me and it worked really well for a while. Ok, now my turn: Max was it your only goal to look like a mentally ill white supremacist version of Vanilla Ice when you made that music video? Or was that just one goal among others?”

by lcollins1 on Mar 6, 2009 1:34 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Bullshit.

He’s a journalist. He gets paid to ask questions. If the actions didn’t make sense, it’s his job to question them.

With all due respect, that’s what distinguishes reporters from bloggers.

Although detractors decry (MMA) as a brutal, bloody form of human cockfighting, aficionados know it is a brutal, bloody, totally fucking awesome form of human cockfighting. -The Onion

by The Kittitas Kid on Mar 6, 2009 6:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Actually what distinguishes bloggers from journalists isn’t that bloggers don’t ask questions. Obviously, we do. Just read the posts. The difference is that journalists are in a position to have someone (besides other fans) answer back. They get to hold the microphone. Being courteous to athletes isn’t a prerequisite for good sports journalism, but most fans seems to appreciate it. Boxing, especially, tend to bring out extreme emotions, so a certain amount of tact right after a fight is usually a good thing in my book. Now mind you there are exceptions—sometimes boxers deserve some post-fight bluntness, but I didn’t think that Diaz deserved it. Max just came off as a punk.

by Matt Miller on Mar 6, 2009 7:23 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It’s not that he asked, it was the tactless manner in which he asked. He made a show of his question and put Diaz in a crappy spot with a question that wasn’t going to get a real answer. He’s a rotten interviewer.

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by SC on Mar 6, 2009 7:42 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes

His brother was killed by James Butler, same guy who sucker punched Richard Grant after losing a decision. IIRC, Butler was down and out and Kellerman tried to help him get back on his feet, then he murdered him while they were living together.

Vogt early, Vogt often.

by Brickhaus on Mar 6, 2009 3:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

and that’s his brother in the video? I thought that was a really under-reported story. Is Butler in prison/psych hospital?

by lcollins1 on Mar 6, 2009 5:07 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i think if you google max kellerman and butler, you can pull up a story by max on ESPN.com where he urged people not to rush to judgement on Butler and to give him a second chance.

Chilling stuff.

by BabyBull1289 on Mar 6, 2009 5:10 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Max Kellerman show

I listen to his show for about an hour just to listen to other sports for a bit and other anouncer calling in to insult him a bit which is cool. But man, if some one calls with this song on the air… M – O – O – N that spells out classic.

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by Sickle on Mar 6, 2009 12:50 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

LOL

Haven’t seen that reference for a while…..

M-O-O-N that spells funny….

Does the fact a boxer doesn't switch weight divisions during their career detract from their overall P4P ranking?

Cos I'd take Hagler over most heavies in history, P4P, and also over "6 weight world champion" Oscar De La Hoya, and Marvellous Marvin never really messed about with his weight, did he?

by Chaos100 on Mar 6, 2009 2:23 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Cap'n trips is a bitch

Vogt early, Vogt often.

by Brickhaus on Mar 6, 2009 3:40 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I feel the guy knows a lot about boxing, and he does do well when he is second to Jim and Larry and Emmanuel, but i forgot which event, the recent cotto-jennings fight or the pavlik-rubio fight it was just him and this guy named Bob, and it was boring, uninteresting, and he tried to throw in some obscure fact every so often to make himself sound very knowledgeable. There as not much emotion in it (whch is what Jim Lampley brings) nor deep insight (what Larry Merchant brings) nor technical boxing knowledge (what Emmanuel Steward brings). I don’ t think Max can commentate a great fight on his own or as lead.

by cylee1180 on Mar 6, 2009 2:40 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Cotto-Jennings and Pavlik-Rubio were not called by HBO commentators. Max was not there. He and Bob Papa (there was a third that night) were there for Berto-Collazo.

nor technical boxing knowledge (what Emmanuel Steward brings)

he shuh dubbaup on dajab. bare-nard hopkin is good defensively.

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by SC on Mar 6, 2009 3:19 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Kirkland sounded like an idiot in my opinion when he was talking about Julio.

by Zocalo on Mar 6, 2009 3:33 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I strongly dislike Kellerman

But I still think he’s a step up from Merchant (who I think has been abysmal for the past 5 years or so), Lennox (who provides almost no useful commentary) or Manny (same). Stil, I think Kellerman’s forgetting a few people who are closer to Kirkland stylistically than Katsidis (Urango jumps out at me first and foremost). Also, Kirkland is forgetting that the two people who beat Julio were expert counterpunchers, I’m not sure if Kirkland has heard of a counterpunch.

Vogt early, Vogt often.

by Brickhaus on Mar 6, 2009 3:35 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Nice one! he doens’t know how to counter punch, just kirk-punch.

by cylee1180 on Mar 7, 2009 2:59 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t think Max is the best but he loves the sport. Yeah… sometimes he asks stupid questions but I appreciate his passion for the sport. He sometimes has great takes like when he mentioned how Mayweather shouldn’t be in the sport if he wasn’t entirely committed to it.

by Zocalo on Mar 6, 2009 3:37 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Ack

Rafael’s notebook says Julio’s main sparring partner was Kassim Ouma. Sure, he’s lefty, but bad choice of sparring partner if you’re facing Kirkland.

Vogt early, Vogt often.

by Brickhaus on Mar 6, 2009 3:54 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

uhhh hmm.

Maybe he’s a Mosley type who can imitate anyone? I’m grasping.

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by SC on Mar 6, 2009 4:00 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Also, Kirkland missed weight by 2 pounds at the first weigh-in

Let’s see if he can make weight for the second one.

Vogt early, Vogt often.

by Brickhaus on Mar 6, 2009 4:07 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

what the source … cant find anythign on this ….

by 3zilla on Mar 6, 2009 6:12 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

talked to a guy on a forum who just got mback from the weight-in and james did make weight …

by 3zilla on Mar 6, 2009 7:21 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Kellerman's awesome

He’s exactly the kind of voice we need covering the sport. Young, reverential of the fighters and the history.

The fact that he asks hard-hitting questions doesn’t make him disrespectful or an asshole: it makes him a journalist. In the ring, directly after a fight, whenever. A journalist’s job is to ask the “whys” and the “hows.” If a guy’s actions made no sense to him, it’s his obligation to ask what the heck the guy was thinking.

We need more Kellerman’s, not one fewer. And for him to come back to the sport after what happened to his brother shows a lot of heart, I don’t care what anybody says. If involvement with the sport took that kind of toll on me I’d have a tough time being around it afterwards.

Although detractors decry (MMA) as a brutal, bloody form of human cockfighting, aficionados know it is a brutal, bloody, totally fucking awesome form of human cockfighting. -The Onion

by The Kittitas Kid on Mar 6, 2009 6:28 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Max truly loves boxing and I think he is in most ways a genuine credit to the sport. But there’s a difference between “hard-hitting” and what Kellerman did in the Diaz interview. He got nothing out of it, including much of an answer. His question could have been alternately phrased, “Juan, are you stupid, a pussy, or both?”

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by SC on Mar 6, 2009 7:48 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I believe Max truly loves boxing.

by lcollins1 on Mar 7, 2009 2:29 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Voters have spoke

A simple majority so far gives Max either an “a” or a “b”

Brady Hoke, Al Borges, and Rocky Long. Aztec football is back!

by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Mar 6, 2009 6:36 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

i think the average looks to be more like a b to b- he aint no a i know that for sure and i actually like the guy … what he needs to do is tone it down and stop reaching with fighter comparisons.

by 3zilla on Mar 6, 2009 6:57 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Kellerman is a good sidekick—not such a good leading man.

by Matt Miller on Mar 6, 2009 7:29 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

C

Only because there are things I like about him and things I hate about him. It offsets right in the middle.

Actually taking into account his rhymes, maybe that is a C-minus. New York, New York so nice they named it twice??? Stealing from show tunes for a “hardcore” rap equals an automatic DQ in my book.

"I want to see ocean. I want to see black people. I want to see palms." - Wladimir Klitschko

by jrok on Mar 6, 2009 10:51 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

AND YES JAY Z I M TALKIN TO U 2!!!

"I want to see ocean. I want to see black people. I want to see palms." - Wladimir Klitschko

by jrok on Mar 6, 2009 10:52 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I’m eitehr gonna sound like a smart ass, or a dumb ass (if i’m wrong), but isn’t new york, new york = new york = the city, new york = the state? Irrelevant, the rap is funny. :) Tho my friend told me about it before, so now seeing it it’s not as bad as he said. Plus that girl with the booty keeps me busy :).

by cylee1180 on Mar 7, 2009 3:01 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Technically “New York, New York” refers to Manhattan postal addresses (i.e.. “New York, NY”). Different story if you live in Brooklyn, Queens, the Bronx or Staten Island. Manhattan is the only borough called “New York.”

"I want to see ocean. I want to see black people. I want to see palms." - Wladimir Klitschko

by jrok on Mar 7, 2009 11:17 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Method Man later used a similiar line

in Wu-Tang Clan’s “Uzi (Pinky Ring)”

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by SC on Mar 7, 2009 7:38 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

also

In the same song Inspectah Deck references Zab Judah.

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by SC on Mar 7, 2009 12:17 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i voted c, but it would be a c+. also, i would normally give him a B, but goddamnit when you act like a dick (ex did you NOT learn a thing from the campbell fight?) you can’t be given a B. thats just me though

The Dude Abides

by battle axe of doom on Mar 6, 2009 11:56 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

hes pretty bad

i put him on blast in an earlier post about his clear bias in calling the diaz/jmm fight, it doesn’t stop there. the guy also had clear bias and played favorites the whole time he was on fnf. clear bias towards guys like pernell whitaker and of all people.

yea, the guy knows his stuff and knows the fighters and has followed their careers (which is a breath of fresh air, especially on HBO where they dont know ish about the fighters unitl they actually appear on hbo) and hes probably forgot more than what a guy like jim lampley knows. not to mention he is much more tolerable than the god awful larry merchant, but still, he needs to cut his act down and just call what he sees and not skew everything towards his own bias’.

by sonofapsycho on Mar 7, 2009 3:43 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

for the record

I gave Max a C. As much as it might seem like I DON’T like him, I really want to. Part of that might be that I know he’s going to be there for the next decade plus.

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"If they cut my bald head open, they will find one big boxing glove. That's all I am. I live it." -- Marvin Hagler

by SC on Mar 7, 2009 7:39 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Max, Larry, and Teddy

Max Kellerman is tops as a fight commentator. His voice quality, facial expressions, etc., all hang together. Larry Merchant usually ends his comments with a witty & wry little touch that bespeaks a very good mind, perhaps a little above the others. Teddy’s boxing knowledge & expertise are awesome although his harsh voice can be tiresome. These guys provide at least 45% of the entertainment value in HBO Boxing. If you don’t believe it check out Showtime. They suck!

by shallowandmean on Mar 7, 2009 12:34 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Dear HBO rep...

Don’t sell too hard. Spam or no spam, we will watch based on the quality of your fights.

Oh, and either get Lennox Lewis a CAT-scan or get him out of the booth. He is truly, truly awful.

"I want to see ocean. I want to see black people. I want to see palms." - Wladimir Klitschko

by jrok on Mar 7, 2009 1:01 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Lennox Lewis

Couldn’t agree more. Poor Lennox’s comments are incredibly bland and often have a non sequitur quality. Thanks for thinking I’m an HBO rep. Wish I were smart enough for that………………………

by shallowandmean on Mar 7, 2009 3:58 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Al Bernstein is excellent

And so is Steve Farhood. Both provide far more interesting commentary than Larry Merchant does anymore, and they blow Manny Steward and Lennox Lewis out of the water. Bernstein is better than all of them.

What’s different about Showtime is that Steve Albert usually doesn’t call the PBP as great as Lampley does. They’ve tried to up the energy with Gus Johnson. Jury’s still out, but I like the idea, even though Steve Albert is totally competent.

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"If they cut my bald head open, they will find one big boxing glove. That's all I am. I live it." -- Marvin Hagler

by SC on Mar 7, 2009 3:25 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i’ve always kinda liked the entire HBO crew because the emotion they put into calling the fights. the first fight that i truly loved was gatti-ward I, and hearing Manny scream out “AND HERE COMES GATTI BACK!” gives me chills every time i watch it.

The Dude Abides

by battle axe of doom on Mar 7, 2009 9:01 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

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