Golden Boy is "serious" about Mayweather-Marquez
by Anton Tabuena on Mar 9, 2009 8:08 AM EDT
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FanPost promoted to the front page by SC.
SC wrote a piece a while back that Marquez's challenge to Floyd was actually meant to call out Manny, but now it seems like Richard Schaefer and the guys are really taking it seriously.
The Philippine Star has the scoop:
Golden Boy CEO Richard Schaefer said talks of a Juan Manuel Marquez-Floyd Mayweather Jr. fight is no joke, and is in fact starting to shape up.According to ESPN.com, Mayweather Jr. is bound to come out of retirement, and probably face Marquez, the arch-nemesis of the Pinoy pound-for-pound champion.
"Of course, there is no question about it," said Mayweather Sr. when asked about his son coming out of retirement. "He’s trying to get a fight right now, as we speak. He’s gonna fight again."
Marquez knocked out Juan Diaz in nine rounds last Sunday in Houston to emerge as the WBA, WBO and IBO lightweight champion. Then he challenged Mayweather Jr. to fight him.
"I’m serious. Marquez is serious," Schaefer was quoted as saying. "Marquez actually held a press conference [Wednesday] in Mexico City, and he was clear that he likes to take on the biggest challenges.
De la Hoya also had this to say when the challenge was initially made:
"Juan Manuel is a dangerous, dangerous fighter for Mayweather, and I don’t see him taking it because he is so dangerous. Just like he won’t take Mosley. Absolutely, I have no doubt he is [looking for safe fights]."
Contrary to what the "Golden Boy" is saying, Marquez IS a safe fight. As talented as Marquez is, he's clearly outmatched here. Floyd is like the bigger, faster and better version of him. This was obviously just Oscar's ploy to make Mayweather fight one of his guys, and make tons of money in the process. He's trying to say that Marquez is a dangerous opponent for Floyd, but in reality, both of them know that he isn't. That is why we're seeing Floyd nibble on the end of Oscar's fishing rod.
Well all of this is still just talk and speculation for now and the fight is far from being finalized. But one thing looks pretty certain, it looks like Floyd Mayweather is indeed going to come back from his "retirement".
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by Anton Tabuena on Mar 9, 2009 8:51 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Mayweather-Marquez
Let’s assume the following:
1. Mayweather’s rust would be minimal, as in not debilitating.
2. Mayweather’s nagging injuries haven’t gotten really bad.
3. Mayweather is at least 90% of the fighter he was in the Hatton fight.
Then I assume:
1. Marquez’s habit of starting slow really kills him against Floyd.
2. Marquez likes to counter-punch. Floyd’s so good defensively that not only is this a massive challenge, but Floyd is also in and out so quickly on offense that Marquez would likely just get hit a lot and be forced into recklessness.
3. Marquez would hang in there for at least 10 rounds.
4. Marquez would lose big, either by late stoppage or wide decision.
It’s not a slight on Marquez’s ability or his spirit or any of that. He’s a phenomenal fighter. But Mayweather is a rotten matchup. Marquez preys on aggression and Floyd is not aggressive.
Still, you’re damn right I’d order it. What if Marquez beat him? I mean, can you imagine that moment? And JMM deserves a fight like this, much as I feel Adamek-Hopkins is an awesome idea in part because Adamek deserves that chance.
I wouldn’t put Marquez among the ten most challenging opponents Mayweather could take upon return though. Mosley and Pacquiao top the list, and then you get into Cotto, Paul Williams, and even Andre Berto and Josh Clottey, who are not near Marquez’s level overall I don’t think but present far tougher challenges just because they’re bigger guys, and Clotty is a rugged dude. I think Floyd would smoke Clottey by decision, but he’d bother him a little. Berto I do think has the speed to really get under Floyd’s skin.
All of this is also why I think if Mayweather returns and can get real about his pricetag in a dead economy, Marquez is one of the three most likely opponents (with Manny and Hatton).
"If they cut my bald head open, they will find one big boxing glove. That's all I am. I live it." -- Marvin Hagler
by SC on Mar 9, 2009 9:43 AM EDT reply actions 3 recs
oh and thanks for the front and the editing. :)
by Anton Tabuena on Mar 9, 2009 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
thanks for the post!
"If they cut my bald head open, they will find one big boxing glove. That's all I am. I live it." -- Marvin Hagler
by SC on Mar 9, 2009 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
why Marquez?
I don’t get that. Fight Manny, Cotto, Shane, Paul Williams. I mean, I’m excited about the possibility of this fight, but it’s gonna be a little bit of a posing contest. Mayweather is playing it safe. This is a favorable match-up and a favorable weight.
I want to see Floyd get his ass kicked, and JMM isn’t going to do it.
by lcollins1 on Mar 9, 2009 10:40 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Agree with Scott
Mayweather is just all wrong for Marquez at this point in their careers. Four years ago and at lightweight it would have been much tougher to call. But now, even though Floyd will have some rust, he won’t have the ring wear he might have had if he had really put himself in the mix at welterweight. And not only is he longer and quicker, but he could very well bike around the ring for nine or ten rounds before deciding to even fight Juan.
But yeah, I will buy it. I didn’t buy Hatton-Mayweather because I thought it was a total mismatch. I think this is still sort of a mismatch, but much less so.
"I want to see ocean. I want to see black people. I want to see palms." - Wladimir Klitschko
by jrok on Mar 9, 2009 11:11 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I doubt that Floyd would run much
for the simple fact that I do not think JMM could hurt him. I seemed to me that Juan was loading up a little more then he had at the lower weight to put extra power on his punches against Diaz. Against Floyd this would not work at all he would never hit him. I love Floyd but its kind of funny how he made fun of de la Hoya for fighting smaller guys and now some of his targets are Hatton, Pac, and JMM. All much smaller then himself.
I think this is one of the perfect fights for Floyd. He could say he’s coming back to face a “dangerous” pound for pound fighter; when in actuality he is fighting a fighter probably 10-15 pounds above his best weight. I think Floyd destroys him. I would watch it but I would rather see him against a top welter especially Mosley or Berto. I think their speed would really bother him.
by TXroyal on Mar 9, 2009 11:50 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
GREAT FIGHT
Paul Williams will not get passed Wright, Berto is not a top welterweight and is overrated.Cotto will loose to Clottey and he doesn’t want to fight Shane. Pacquiao has to get passed Hatton first, he didn’t wan’t to fight Marquez for a third time and he wen’t up in weight for the money. Now JMM is doing the same.
by ralph1123 on Mar 9, 2009 12:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow I completely disagree with you on every thing you said.
I think Williams and Cotto win. I think Berto is a top welter and I do not think Pac gets by Hatton. The only thing I agree with you it that Pac does not want to fight JMM a third time.
At least there is fights this year that could go either way. Not like some of the past years when the superstars were fighting guys with no hope. I guess there is a silver lining to the down turn in the economy.
Also I’m not saying your wrong just that I disagree, not trying to send the wrong impression.
by TXroyal on Mar 9, 2009 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
no interest
i have zero interest in this fight. its a complete slaughter for mayweather.
do they seriously think jmm is going to bring in the money? i dont see any other reason for this fight.
if it happens, i see a monumental failure happening.
by sonofapsycho on Mar 9, 2009 1:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Mexican fans would buy this thing like crazy
Mayweather’s a big name, too, the second-biggest name in boxing. To see their top fighter against the unbeaten ex-P4P kingpin coming back to reclaim his throne, it’d sell. They’d probably be looking at 700-800K, which wouldn’t be Mayweather-Hatton but would be quite huge. The Latino market is always reliable and even exploited to sell things like Latin Fury, which always do quite well given the expectations and sizes of the cards.
"If they cut my bald head open, they will find one big boxing glove. That's all I am. I live it." -- Marvin Hagler
by SC on Mar 9, 2009 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mayweather
is the second biggest name in boxing?
As much as I dislike him, and hope he gets beaten whoever he fights, I don’t think there is a bigger name than Floyd Mayweather right now. If anything, ‘retiring’ when he did made him a bigger star.
Out of interest, who is the biggest name in boxing right now, with regard to revenue, fan base etc? Only two compare in my eyes, and that is one of the biggest reasons that Pac and Hatton are fighting each other. However I honestly think Mayweather is still bigger than either of them, and as I said, that is coming from someone who genuinely dislikes the guy.
Does the fact a boxer doesn't switch weight divisions during their career detract from their overall P4P ranking?
Cos I'd take Hagler over most heavies in history, P4P, and also over "6 weight world champion" Oscar De La Hoya, and Marvellous Marvin never really messed about with his weight, did he?
by Chaos100 on Mar 9, 2009 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think so
Despite his obvious natural talents, I don’t think Floyd was ever able to develop that big of a fan base. This has as much to do with his ring style (which many causal fans identify as “boring” and even "cowardly") as it does his awkward stage personality. I don’t think he could produce the kinds of numbers he achieved with De La Hoya and Hatton on his own. Of course he is an attraction because of his accomplishments, but Oscar and Ricky’s fans really were the driving force behind sales… their fan bases are HUGE. Same with Manny… a much bigger “name” than Floyd. I don’t think sell a fight just based on it being a “Floyd Mayweather showcase” and I think Floyd knows this to. He needs a dance partner with a following.
"I want to see ocean. I want to see black people. I want to see palms." - Wladimir Klitschko
by jrok on Mar 9, 2009 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The biggest = Oscar
Until he officially retires, he’s by far the biggest name in terms of revenue, etc. After that, I think Mayweather and Hatton are close (when you look at international numbers), Pac is a distant fourth.
Vogt early, Vogt often.
by Brickhaus on Mar 9, 2009 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oscar. It’s not even close, even with a bad loss.
"If they cut my bald head open, they will find one big boxing glove. That's all I am. I live it." -- Marvin Hagler
by SC on Mar 9, 2009 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yep.. No matter how old or washed up he gets, he is still by far the biggest name in boxing..
Same with chuck liddell for the ufc/mma..
by Anton Tabuena on Mar 9, 2009 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
im not convinced. i dont think it sells at all.
i dont think mayweather is going to bring the buyers either without a de la hoya or hatton under his name.
by sonofapsycho on Mar 9, 2009 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
why?
Ricky Hatton has never been in a big commercial fight in the U.S. besides the Mayweather fight, which was a huge fight because Floyd had become a massive star with the Oscar fight thanks to his outstanding ability to promote and play the heel on 24/7. He’s a great talker for a boxer, very charismatic, and actually has a lot of fans, plus a lot of people don’t like him but pay to see him fight anyway. Hatton is a huge global star, but for example his last fight with Malignaggi drew a really low HBO rating, and the fight before that he was on Versus because HBO and Showtime didn’t want to pay for Hatton-Lazcano.
"If they cut my bald head open, they will find one big boxing glove. That's all I am. I live it." -- Marvin Hagler
by SC on Mar 9, 2009 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah but are you saying that Mayweather-Malignaggi would have been a huge draw? Or Mayweather-Lazcano? Or Mayweather-Forbes? Mayweather has many hardcore boxing fans and a few (mostly annoying) casual fans, but I don’t think for one second they are on the scale of either Oscar or Hatton. I think people just love those guys. Who wouldn’t want to have a beer with Ricky Hatton?
"I want to see ocean. I want to see black people. I want to see palms." - Wladimir Klitschko
by jrok on Mar 9, 2009 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ll say Mayweather-Malignaggi woud’ve done a bigger HBO rating than Hatton-Malignaggi, yes, and HBO would have bought Mayweather-Lazcano, and I don’t think Mayweather-Forbes plays into it because I’ve said Oscar is way bigger than anyone. Mayweather has become a mainstream name in America thanks to outside ventures (Dancing with the Stars, WrestleMania, punching 50 Cent in the ear). I know we largely don’t watch DWTS or WM, but a ton of people do. Floyd’s a celebrity, even if he’s C-list. Ricky Hatton’s an English boxer and nothing more in America. Not that there’s anything wrong with that, it just is what it is.
"If they cut my bald head open, they will find one big boxing glove. That's all I am. I live it." -- Marvin Hagler
by SC on Mar 9, 2009 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ricky Hatton’s an English boxer and nothing more in America.
I get what you are saying. But in the U.K. Hatton is not a “C-list celebrity.” He is practically royalty, even after his loss to Mayweather. And I count British fans and Filipino fans and Mexican fans and any other kind of fan when I think about who is the biggest name in boxing.
"I want to see ocean. I want to see black people. I want to see palms." - Wladimir Klitschko
by jrok on Mar 9, 2009 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know
But (and I said this below just a moment ago so it looks like I’m nagging, but I’m not, I just missed this comment the first time) we’re only talking about American PPV buys here.
"If they cut my bald head open, they will find one big boxing glove. That's all I am. I live it." -- Marvin Hagler
by SC on Mar 10, 2009 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I must have missed that part
Curious how Hatton-Pacquaio will do in American markets. Regardless of whether its a hit here in the U.S. or not, I have a feeling it will make a lot of money. Still economic downturn is global, so it might not be as big as it would have been otherwise.
"I want to see ocean. I want to see black people. I want to see palms." - Wladimir Klitschko
by jrok on Mar 10, 2009 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude
Mayweather-Baldomir, which was a blatant mismatch against a no-name fighter, did 300k buys, and that was before Mayweather ever fought Oscar or was on Dancing with the Stars. Like him or now, Mayweather brings in casual fans in the US. A lot of casual fans probably still had no clue who Ricky Hatton was until they did the 24/7.
If you factor in the international take, then Hatton probably has the bigger fanbase and is the bigger draw (IIRC, because of the way the deal for the Mayweather fight was set up, Hatton ended up making significantly more than Mayweather for their fight), but in the US Mayweather is a bigger draw without question. He just has a way of turning fights into events, even when you know the fight itself will probably suck.
Vogt early, Vogt often.
by Brickhaus on Mar 10, 2009 1:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude
If you factor in the international take, then Hatton probably has the bigger fanbase and is the bigger draw
Clearly, I DO factor in the “international take.” I am an American, and a proud one. But nobody said “the biggest AMERICAN name in boxing.” There is a whole world out there, buddy. And, like it or not, boxing is actually bigger in some parts of it these days than it is in America.
"I want to see ocean. I want to see black people. I want to see palms." - Wladimir Klitschko
by jrok on Mar 10, 2009 1:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right but we’re talking about American PPV buys. The biggest global stars are Hatton and Pacquiao and Oscar for sure.
"If they cut my bald head open, they will find one big boxing glove. That's all I am. I live it." -- Marvin Hagler
by SC on Mar 10, 2009 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know about it selling
For whatever reason JMM has never succeeded on PPV. Pac vs JMM only did 400K and Pac is a mexican style warrior and their arch nemesis. I say the upside on this card is 550K which only hurts Floyd as it proves he’s not a mega draw by himself like Oscar was. He needs this fight to get wide distribution for free to pump up the Megabucks fights with Pac and the rematch with Hatton. Then Maybe Cotto and Mosley after that. Then he’ll retire again.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Mar 19, 2009 4:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
also
I say the upside on this card is 550K which only hurts Floyd as it proves he’s not a mega draw by himself like Oscar was.
550K would be a huge success. That would’ve been the second-biggest PPV of 2008. It would likely be the second-biggest PPV of 2009. Not all of Oscar’s cards sold to a million people.
"If they cut my bald head open, they will find one big boxing glove. That's all I am. I live it." -- Marvin Hagler
by SC on Mar 19, 2009 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
just for curiosity’s sake, what were the top two biggest PPVs in 08? i’m assuming pac-DLH was one of the two
The Dude Abides
by battle axe of doom on Mar 22, 2009 1:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
1. Oscar-Manny
2. Roy-Tito
3. Cotto-Margarito
4. JMM-Manny
"If they cut my bald head open, they will find one big boxing glove. That's all I am. I live it." -- Marvin Hagler
by SC on Mar 22, 2009 1:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
more money more money
Floyd gonna beat that ass!!
by Haans Bishop on Mar 9, 2009 1:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'll believe it when I see it
Ever since he retired we keep hearing almost every other month how he’s coming out of retirement. And every time it never happens. Most of the time it’s someone other then Mayweather himself, like his dad, who’s saying that PBF is coming back. I don’t think I’ve even heard someone who actually works with Floyd, like his manager, confirm any serious discussions. It’s always rumors.
That being said, I’d love to see him come back, but I’m not holding my breath.
by erod on Mar 9, 2009 1:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I Disagree
With enought promotion it will make money, Mexicans will come along with all other races because it will be a huge fight!!!
by ralph1123 on Mar 9, 2009 1:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Weight
What weight would these two fight at?
Floyd has not been a JMMs weight for a long timeand i think the fact that he has not been traing for a fight in while may have an effect! If he can get down to the weight i see him dominating JMM unfortunately.
by Big_al79 on Mar 9, 2009 3:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Probably a catchweight between 140 and 147. 143 or something.
"If they cut my bald head open, they will find one big boxing glove. That's all I am. I live it." -- Marvin Hagler
by SC on Mar 9, 2009 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
I think 140 sounds good i don’t know if Marquez can make 147. We just have to wait and see if Mayweather will come out of retirement, if the money is right he will.
by rgb on Mar 11, 2009 12:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Man, I’m starting to wonder if mayweather’s victories in the past were so big b/c he promoted it so well, talked that much trash, filmed that many episodes of 24/7 to make it…. I mean COME ON, they made Mayweather vs. De La Hoya into a Leonard – Hearns matchup, a FIGHT OF THE CENTURY. Crap. I know it’s hard, but i hope to keep Luis Collazo in the top welterweight convo too. To me, he beat berto, and i’d rather see him fight other top welterweights, even scareweather. Obviously not a money fighter, but heck, to me, Berto is a bum with athleticism. Dude did not impress me in the Collazo fight. wow, this post really has no central point. In other news, is Mosley the most avoided welterweight now? Cotto doens’t want him just yet, berto is not fighting him, and def. mayweather rejected him, and i doubt pacman will even look his way. pc!
by cylee1180 on Mar 12, 2009 1:35 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
actually roach said he would consider fighting mosley..
granted everything goes to plan and he KOes hatton..
by Anton Tabuena on Mar 12, 2009 2:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
realllly? Wow… crazy! I don’t think manny could hurt mosley, but mosley can sure as hell hurt manny! i think manny has a better chance with PBF at least (even if he MIGHT lose, he wouldn’t sustain as much damage as mosley’s overhead right slingin’).
by cylee1180 on Mar 12, 2009 2:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
mosley would no doubt be the favorite..
Yes he is dangerous, but this isn’t the mosley in his prime.. And the main advantage mosley has over all his opponents is his speed. He wont have that against manny.. And i think manny has a bigger chance against mosley than against mayweather..
Marquez gave manny fits.. But floyd is like a supercharged version of marquez.. His style is perfect against manny..
by Anton Tabuena on Mar 12, 2009 3:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dunno, I think marquez and pbf are quite different. Marquez likes to always move laterally and counter. PBF likes to either outbox the guy it the center of the ring, but not always moving to the side or turning the guy like Marquez,, OR he likes to do the shoulder and dodge and strike in the pocket. Mosley is fast enough to catch manny, and he brings with him some power wtih that over hand right. Mosley’s speed, power, and his HEART will overcome manny. Plus Mosley has one of the best chins in boxing. Margarito couldn’t dent it, cotto couldn’t knock it down, only Vernon Forrest has knocked him down.
by cylee1180 on Mar 12, 2009 4:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think those are good points..
and i know this isnt that related.. But ive heard people say that before manny fought morales. :)
and that was my point too.. a really good boxer with good defense and counters is manny’s kryptonite..
by Anton Tabuena on Mar 12, 2009 4:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So we won't be seeing Manny-Winky anytime soon
or Manny-Abraham for that matter.
Manny-Wlad though? Bring it on! Manny will spark that china chin.
Vogt early, Vogt often.
by Brickhaus on Mar 12, 2009 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
how can you genuinely dislike “Money” Mayweather, it’s ALL an act. He’ s a real cool guy. Check it out:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FpCMeo8i3k&NR=1
www.youtube.com/watch?v=qACpSZkokyo
Pc! That’s Pretty Boy Floyd Mayweather, NOT his stage name, Money May. Pc!
by cylee1180 on Mar 12, 2009 2:54 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
how can you genuinely dislike "Money" Mayweather, it’s ALL an act.
This does not apply to me, because I like Floyd OK, but for a lot of people “acting” is meant for pro wrestling, not boxing.
"If they cut my bald head open, they will find one big boxing glove. That's all I am. I live it." -- Marvin Hagler
by SC on Mar 12, 2009 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
a NO-NO
No way FM-JMM fyt will happen. JMM is too small he will even have a hard time going up to 140. And FM will not go down to 140. Why would he when JMM was the one calling out for him. No sponsor will shell out floyd’s asking price of $20M (gosh, what enormous ego he’s got) to fyt Marquez!!
Golden boys are just imitating Arum’s strategy of putting a third man, a gambit, in the equation to gain leverage in negotiations. JMM & RS want MP so desperately, who are they kidding?! But i want to see GB pull this through and see the big “PLOP” – a negative in their accounts. But let’s be realisitic and logical….this fyt won’t happen. JMM and GB are just ribbing Manny. PacMan will give JMM that fyt,…..only if Manny loses to Ricky. All together now JMM’s fans….kneel and pray hard.
by Neophyte on Mar 13, 2009 5:29 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Thw worst idea
So to those who are rooting for this fight, go on with this farce and see what happens. Pitching a counterpuncher against another counterpuncher is the worst idea one could think of in boxing. It’s against the law of attraction. Try it on magnets to get the point. This could be the most boring fight of all time. If the said bout went through, it could be ruled as a no-contest halfway just because neither of the two fighters wanted to make the first move. Could you imagine that? Instead of fans screaming, there would only be ‘boos’ or at the worst, dead silence. To those behind this idea, think twice. Boxing is slowly getting back on its feet, don’t screw things up.
by yob on Mar 16, 2009 9:45 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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