Who's Coming in the Heavyweight Division?
In last night's fight, Larry Merchant mentioned that he thinks that Cristobal (not Chris anymore - make up yo damn mind fool!) Arreola may be there to help revitalize the heavyweight division. In my honest opinion, to truly revitalize any division, you need to have a wave of new talent, not just a trickle. Take the middleweight division for example. Sure, Kelly Pavlik is a borderline star at this point, but because there aren't many worthy opponents, the division is completely dead. On the other hand, with waves of prospects on the rise, junior welterweight and junior middleweight seem to be heating up, even though there hasn't been too much top flight talent in those weight classes in recent years.
Here, let's take a quick look at what the future holds for the heavyweight division. Specifically, I'm focusing on guys who have yet to get a title shot. Let's just say the future isn't so bright that I need shades.
Sasha Povetkin - At times, Povetkin looks promising, and he has the pedigree. He's beaten some very good fighters, but the way that he did so doesn't convince me that he'll be able to hold his own against big punchers. Eddie Chambers seemed to have him figured out for quite a while, but his reluctance to actually throw a power punch meant Povetkin was able to adjust and take over the fight. Estrada was keeping up with Povetkin until Povetkin realized he could walk through Estrada's punches. What will happen when he faces someone with a strong punch and a decent workrate? Time will tell, but I can't say I'm optimistic.
Alexander Dimitrenko - He's big. He has okay fundamentals. But he's very slow, fairly chinny, and lacks power for someone his size. His best win is against a completely shot Luan Krasniqi. Timo Hoffman had him in trouble once or twice, though he did manage to knock down the normally durable Hoffman a couple times. Due to his physical limitations, I suspect he's already arrived on his potential. Because of some of the challenges he presents, he could be a contender for a while, earning multiple title shots, but I don't see him winning one without some Valuev-style intervention.
Eddie Chambers - I have to admit that Chambers has gotten further than I thought he would. He's a heavyweight with little pop who seems hesitant to throw anything other than a jab. His nickname is "fast", yet his hands aren't actually that quick. When you consider that he's really a blown up cruiserweight, his handspeed would be pretty average for that division. I think he's been exposed in his fights against Povetkin and Peter. Povetkin proved that if you wait him out, you can walk through his punches and hurt him. Peter proved that you can even play his own game and hang with him as long as you're willing to throw the bigger punchers. He might hang around the scene for a while, but without a massive overhaul of his style, he's never going to win a belt.
David Haye - I won't dwell too much on Haye here, because I'm sure you'll see a lot on him leading up to his fight with Wladimir, and K2's three fight option pretty much guarantees that he'll be in the spotlight for a while. He's young and he's exciting, but as mentioned before, he has some major flaws, such as a loose guard and a weak chin. Even if he turns out to be the real deal, is there a dancing partner out there who could help make a classic heavyweight fight?
Martin Rogan - The future is probably now for the 35 year old former Prizefighter champion. While he's coming off some good victories, he's too old to become more than what he already is, which is a rugged, entertaining, powerful, hard-nosed slugger who's willing to duke it out with anyone the old-fashioned way. While I doubt he'd win, I really hope he gets a title shot before he starts to fade, as he's pretty much earned it.
Cristobal Arreola - Last night's win doesn't prove too much to me. He showed some improvement, moving his head more than he has since the Wills fight, showing he finally knows how to clinch, and sitting on his punches and picking his shots rather than throwing wildly, but McCline was obviously just there to cash a paycheck, and even a motivated McCline isn't a top 20 heavyweight. I realize HBIO is pushing for a Klitschko fight, but what he really needs to do is keep improving for a few more fights, and then maybe he can take on the top dogs.
Denis Boytsov - Boytsov is another smallish heavyweight, and while he's been moved along slowly, he actually excites me a bit more than Povetkin. He has a lot to work on still, and his height will always be a physical limitation, but he moves well, he has good power in both fists, and he's steadily shown improvement over the past couple years. One thing that concerns me is that like many of his European brethren, he seems to be content to do just enough to win rounds. Eventually, that may come to bite him if he ever ends up fighting an opponent off his home turf. Still, he's about as good of an inside fighter as there is in the heavyweight division at the moment, and if he can improve his ability to get inside on taller fighters, as well as his stamina, he could be going places. If you're interested, a few of his fights are up on Youtube, here, here and here.
Francisco Pianeta - The tall southpaw has fought some good competition, but just doesn't seem to have any fire in his belly whatsoever. Even before his bout with Albert Sosnowski, he said his plan was to try to steal away the last few rounds. Well guess what? The limited Sosnowski outworked the heck out of him, and Pianeta was gifted a draw. Until he learns to use is height and shows a little bit of desire to improve and try to win rather than try not to lose, then he's not someone to watch closely from an international perspective. Right now, his ceiling is possibly winning a European title or two.
Kevin Johnson - Yawn. Basically, Eddie Chambers, but slightly more likely to throw a second punch after his jab. He's turning 30 in a few months and has yet to fight a legitimate opponent. At some point soon, we'll have to just stop taking him seriously unless he's willing to take on a tougher challenge.
Odlanier Solis - Solis is really disappointing me. An Olympic gold medalist, he escaped from Cuba and decided to exercise his new found freedom by going on a steady diet of wienerschnitzel, sauerbraten and pilsner. He seems to have actually regressed since his early fights, when he looked like he might become a force to be reckoned with. Instead, he's another fatty who doesn't take his job seriously. Some guys thrive under the rigid Cuban athletics system and then stagnate as soon as they leave because they just don't have the discipline to do well without that much structure. We've seen it many times before with Cuban athletes who have defected, and Solis seems to be another one. If he starts to take training seriously again, he could be a force, as he has more skill than any other fighter on this list, but these days he just looks sluggish and lethargic, and his beer keg is really affecting his quickness and reflexes.
Mike Perez - On the other hand, here's another Cuban who defected who seems to be thriving outside of Cuba. While he was an amateur champ, he wasn't as heralded as Solis as he never fought in the Olympics. He's a lot younger than Solis though, and he seems to not only have heart and desire, but a sort of attitude like he's a man on a mission to become the biggest badass on the planet. He has a lot of things going his way - he's a southpaw, he has good speed, he has good power and he has good fundamentals. As drawbacks, he's not big, and he's fighting with a small promoter in Ireland, so it might be tough to find him suitable opposition as he moves up the ladder. He's taking a big step up later in the month, fighting Javier Mora, but I suspect he'll keep doing what he's been doing so far, which is actually trying to dominate his opponents as opposed to trying not to lose.
Bowie Tupou - Gary Shaw made a lot of noise about the young Tongan when he first signed him several years ago, but he has yet to show too much of him. Last I saw, he still looked pretty rudimentary. While he looks like he should be a good fighter, he's flat footed and a little more ponderous than he looks like he should be. He is training with Jeff Mayweather, and while he's the lesser of the three training brothers, he's still a perfectly respectable trainer to teach Tupou better fundamentals. Tupou has a fight with the always-tough Danny Batchelder coming up, and that might prove a lot about where Tupou really is. While Batchelder has lost 5 of his last 6, he arguably beat James Toney, he went the distance against Brian Minto and Matt Godfrey, and he gave Dimitrenko a few tough rounds.
Travis Kaufman - Things aren't going too well when some people are pinning their hopes on an accused child rapist who calls himself the "Great White Hope." While he stays in shape and has some pop and some quickness, his peak is probably as a Monte Barrett type. If he's taking the boxing thing seriously now, it would be nice to see him step up in class a bit to prove me wrong.
Tyson Fury - There's some potential there, but he's a lot further away than his camp makes him out to be. Right now, he's most famous for talking trash, having a cool name and punching himself so hard that he made spit fly out of his mouth. Maybe he can make us forget about that one if starts looking like the real deal. Still, he has more potential than almost anyone on the list based on his physical tools. He may not be better than George Foreman, like his dad says, but he's certainly someone to keep watching, and that hope is all we can ask for at the moment.
David Price - I posted some video of this newly minted pro a few days ago. He's also tall, and he beat Fury in the amateurs, but I'm not sure he has the best style for the pros. The way he fights, he better have a good chin and good power, or be better adjust the way he fights. He's the first major prospect that David Haye is promoting, so I have no idea how he's being handled, but if he's moved too quickly or doesn't get a quality trainer, he could be in trouble.
Tor Hamer - I've been touting this guy as the future of the American heavyweight for a while now. So he finally fights on nationally televised TV, and of course he looked less than impressive, at least in certain regards. That fight ticked down my estimates on his knockout power and his stamina a bit, but I still like the way he moves. He has that Cus D'Amato style body and foot movement that you don't see in heavyweights all that often these days. For those who haven't read it before, here's a good piece from the Village Voice on Hamer. While the piece might be a bit too optimistic, Lou DiBella is a smart promoter, and Hamer still could go far if he fixes some of his defensive holes and improves his stamina. He's a very intelligent guy, so I see no reason why he can't do that.
Rich Power - Here's my deep deep sleeper. At 29 years old, he probably won't amount to much, but he has some solid fundamentals, a crowd-pleasing style, and a marketable look. I haven't seen him fight anyone other than toughmen, so he could completely flame the first time he faces a slick boxer, and there are a million other problems he might encounter as someone who wasn't a hyped up amateur (i.e., the need to make actual money by working a real job and lack of a big money promoter behind him). I'll just throw the name out there though. He's a big guy with a solid build and powerful punches who seems to understand a lot of fundamentals, which is more than I can say than a lot of the hopes we're pining on out there.
In summation, there might be a few up-and-comers to watch out for, but I wouldn't hold my breath about the division being 'revitalized' any time soon.
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That pic of Rogan
looks like a skinner white Christobal Arreola.
If the heavy weight division is bad now wait 4 or 5 years until these guys are the top guys then it will be in truly bad shape. They do have some great names especially the last four.
by TXroyal on Apr 12, 2009 12:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You should include the Australian Mark Demori on that list. The kid can fight , he has power and fast hands.
by Upstait on Apr 12, 2009 12:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Haven't seen him before
I’ll try looking out for him. I thought about including Shane Cameron, but I want to see how his fight with Tua goes before putting him back on my radar.
Vogt early, Vogt often.
by Brickhaus on Apr 12, 2009 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
bunch of flabby dudes
said state of the heavy division.
its only going to get worse if haye loses. but then again if he wins, hes going to have to fight beat vitali as well.
once the brothers are done (vitali retired, wlad getting knocked out again) the divison should shape up.
only guys i like on the list are povetkin, dimetrenko and solis. solis is the most talented but least disaplined. so huge red flag there.
povetkin has the tools to and i think he can get passed by wlad if wlad gets by haye.
we all can go on forever. i think the next year will tell us a lot and make the scene much more clear.
by sonofapsycho on Apr 12, 2009 1:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I really think Haye might smoke Vitali if/when they fight. I mean just clobber him. Vitali had a lot of trouble loosening up against JCG and his back isn’t exactly going to get better. He was Valuev-level immobile in the first few rounds.
"If they cut my bald head open, they will find one big boxing glove. That's all I am. I live it." -- Marvin Hagler
by SC on Apr 12, 2009 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think so too
vitali is no world beater by any means. i think haye has the good to ko both of them.
by sonofapsycho on Apr 12, 2009 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Tyson Fury and Rich Power fight I want them to do it in a neon ring and all the patrons have to dress like they’re in Warren Beatty’s Dick Tracy.
"If they cut my bald head open, they will find one big boxing glove. That's all I am. I live it." -- Marvin Hagler
by SC on Apr 12, 2009 1:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Fury won last night
Not sure if you guys saw it. He took Mathew Ellis out in a matter of seconds. On Paper, it should have been something of a step up, but it didn’t look like Ellis really wanted it at all. Didn’t really learn a whole lot new about fury from it, but he does have potential. Particularly considering how young he is for a heavyweight.
He’s scheduled to fight next on the Froch / Taylor bill.
I like Boytsov to. Hes a good knock out puncher, and thats what i like to see in heavyweights. I’m actually a little surprised that they haven’t been hyping him a little more.
Apparently Mike wasn’t great in his last bout. I didnt see it because it was over in Newcastle, but apparently his opponent was just trying to spoil and frustrate him all night. I saw one of his earlier fight that played out similar to that, but in all the others he has looked sharp. Mora comes forward and attacks so it should be a good match up for Mikey to show what he is capable of.
Overall, there is some potential out there. There is definitely something to work with. Maybe not alot, but you only really need to build a few guys really. But the issue is getting these guys up in the ranking a bit. We run into the old problem of guys long past their best hanging around at the top, and just being given easy fights to keep them there. Everyone knows guys like Ruiz, Rahman etc aren’t legitimate challengers anymore, but there as just been no upward mobility for the newer guys. I think if a consistent effort is made to build these guys it will make a difference, because virtually no effort has been made at all for years.
In the UK there’s a handful of up and comers at hw now. They are beginning to get some momentum going with it, and its being emphasized that the potential is there. I don’t know if any of these guys are going to be top tier talent, but its good to see some effort being made to create a bit of buzz.
Thats really the most important thing at the moment. We need hunger guys who come to fight, and give you a good show. They dont even have to be amazing, but just something people can watch and get into.
by Duan on Apr 12, 2009 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I still think Pianeta has the “potential” to cause nightmares for someone very good in the next 2 years.
I wouldn’t really put Fury in there, for no better reason then I haven’t seen much that I like in him. His name is fantastic though, and I would pick him to KO Dhalism in Round 2 and perform a Flawless Victory on Sub-Zero.
"I want to see ocean. I want to see black people. I want to see palms." - Wladimir Klitschko
by jrok on Apr 12, 2009 2:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He has the physical tools to do so
But I don’t feel like his head is in the right place to do so. As it is, I can see him being someone like Luan Krasniqi or Sinan Samil Sam, who can stay at the elite Euro level and contend for a title a few times, but doesn’t end up posing too many problems for the top 10 in the division. If he learns how to use his height and increases his workrate, there could be a different ending to the story.
Vogt early, Vogt often.
by Brickhaus on Apr 12, 2009 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, that's pretty much what I'm saying
If we are talking about Pianeta (not Fury). It’s just “potential,” and that could well fizzle and disappear. The Pianetta we saw against Sosnowski is exactly the sort of fringy regional guy you are describing. But I think a Kronked Pianeta would be a contender.
"I want to see ocean. I want to see black people. I want to see palms." - Wladimir Klitschko
by jrok on Apr 12, 2009 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, Pianeta
I actually have a much better feeling about Fury than Pianeta. It seems like Fury at least has a mean streak about him. Pianeta comes off to me as having an opponent mentality. I do think Fury is moving a bit too quickly, but hopefully they can get him in with some guys who will give him rounds. A fight against a Robert Hawkins type would tell us a lot about where Fury’s heart, head and stamina really are, and I think he could easily beat Hawkins even right now.
Pianeta is exactly the type of fighter Manny Steward could work wonders on. I like Ulli Wegner as a trainer, and he’s one of the best in Europe, but his style doesn’t take advantage of Pianeta’s physical strengths, especially not the way the Kronk style would.
Vogt early, Vogt often.
by Brickhaus on Apr 12, 2009 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
I’ve said this before, but its one of boxing’s great ironies that Manny is both one of the most overrated and underrated trainers in history. He is not some alchemist that can spin straw into gold, but he is fantastic with good solid raw materials. If you hand him a long, strong mature-minded fighter who is willing to listen and learn, seven times out of ten he will hand you back a world class contender.
"I want to see ocean. I want to see black people. I want to see palms." - Wladimir Klitschko
by jrok on Apr 12, 2009 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's really a specific kind of fighter
He’s very good with rangy fighters. He’s awful with shorter fighters though. That’s really all it boils down to – he can teach a tall fighter how to fight tall, but they’ll be clueless on the inside.
Vogt early, Vogt often.
by Brickhaus on Apr 12, 2009 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
That’s why I said “long, strong.” Manny is all about controlling distance… not even really “pacing” although he has a few tricks he likes to use ther as well. It’s about distance with Kronk, keeping your man in punch limbo. He teaches that very well.
"I want to see ocean. I want to see black people. I want to see palms." - Wladimir Klitschko
by jrok on Apr 12, 2009 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tyson Fury, Tor Hamer, Rich Power
Say whatever you want about them but they are arguably the coolest names on the planet.
by Hellsing on Apr 12, 2009 2:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I’m still trying to unlock Tor Hammer’s secret costume. Rich Power is a good guy to use against the slower characters. Use the Mystic Fireball (Down, Forward, Forward, High Kick, Low Kick) over and over until they charge you, then finish them off with an Ultra Dragon Punch.
"I want to see ocean. I want to see black people. I want to see palms." - Wladimir Klitschko
by jrok on Apr 12, 2009 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Power has a decent nickname too
Rich “Super” Power
I was hoping one of his fights would be online somewhere, but alas, there were none.
Vogt early, Vogt often.
by Brickhaus on Apr 12, 2009 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, also I might’ve mentioned Malik Scott as “someone to watch”, but only if you have a case of Red Bull and a jar of No-Doze handy.
"I want to see ocean. I want to see black people. I want to see palms." - Wladimir Klitschko
by jrok on Apr 12, 2009 2:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He's like a more boring version of Kevin Johnson
I’d like to think he doesn’t actually pose any future threat to anyone.
Vogt early, Vogt often.
by Brickhaus on Apr 12, 2009 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He is a threat to remote controls everywhere
"I want to see ocean. I want to see black people. I want to see palms." - Wladimir Klitschko
by jrok on Apr 12, 2009 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
“What will happen when [Povetkin] faces someone with a strong punch and a decent workrate?”
Fortunately, Povetkin’s a heavyweight, so it’s a moot point.
by schraubd on Apr 12, 2009 5:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
HEAVY WEIGHTS COMING UP
I like KEVIN JOHNSON. He has shown power in his last two fight and had perhaps one of the best jab in the heavyweight division. I think he can take Eddie Chambers.
EVANS QUINN (18-2 16 KO’s) with 13 1st round KO’s, from Nicaragua is noteworthy.
Canadia BERMANE STIVERNE (17-1 16 KO’s) has some pop and might be getting better.
by JasonTryp on Apr 12, 2009 7:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Stiverne I thought about including
But I haven’t seen anything recent of his. At one point I thought he had a shot, then he got KOed by the fatass Demetrice King.
I think KJ could probably take Chambers as well, but it doesn’t mean too much. He has the same flaws and strengths for the most part, only his workrate is even lower than Chambers’ and he’s a bit more likey to actually use his right hand. I say he still gets blasted out by Hasim Rahman types, just there aren’t too many of those at the moment.
Vogt early, Vogt often.
by Brickhaus on Apr 12, 2009 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wheres
ike ibeabuchi when you need him.
the division is pretty depressing.
by sonofapsycho on Apr 12, 2009 11:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Obviously everyone talks about the the kidnapping and the tear gas, etc. But my favorite Ibeabuchi story is the one where he is running through the airport screaming “I am the President!”
I have a feeliing Ike is still pretty much exactly where we need him to be… behind a whole bunch of prison bars.
"I want to see ocean. I want to see black people. I want to see palms." - Wladimir Klitschko
by jrok on Apr 13, 2009 2:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hes crazier than a shit house rat
for sure. although, i read something somewhere though he is completely off his medications (or maybe he was on them for once, i forget) and he’s eared two degrees during his time in jail.
hey if tony ayala jr (whos crimes where much more brutal and numerous on top of his coke addiction). got out, i think he will get his “second chance” that everyone loves to give out.
as for my post, it was a more figuratively speaking where is ike when you need him. he’s a kind of guy that the heavyweights need. he was just friggin awesome. speed, awesome power, skill, heart, chin. he had it all.
by sonofapsycho on Apr 13, 2009 3:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well there's no arguing this
The man could fight.
"If they cut my bald head open, they will find one big boxing glove. That's all I am. I live it." -- Marvin Hagler
by SC on Apr 13, 2009 6:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He’s exactly where he belongs.
"If they cut my bald head open, they will find one big boxing glove. That's all I am. I live it." -- Marvin Hagler
by SC on Apr 13, 2009 2:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Travis Kauffman was cleared of all charges on that rape charge mentioned in your article. He is currently 16-0 and I understand he gets more charged up to fight when people mention the rape charges. He is a changed man with a family. Someone on your staff needs to update their files.
Adam Richards-good tough kid, 2 losses but overall tough. Two time Silver Gloves winner
Joey Abell-young, tough with a concrete block of a right
by filup55 on Apr 13, 2009 1:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
In Brick's defense...
He only said “accused.” I also heard that Kauffman was aquitted after withdrawing a initial guilty plea.
"I want to see ocean. I want to see black people. I want to see palms." - Wladimir Klitschko
by jrok on Apr 13, 2009 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I said accused
And my point was that he’s not the most sympathetic character in the world. He really does remind me a lot of a white Monte Barrett though.
Vogt early, Vogt often.
by Brickhaus on Apr 13, 2009 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Keith Spencer
6ft 6" yank. 5-0 (4 KOs). Not had a fight this year yet but i read somewhere this Californian ex Navy guy is the real deal. Maybe
"Welcome to Old Navy"- Dave Ming Chang.
by dinkman on Apr 13, 2009 1:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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