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Marquez-Mayweather has a weight problem

Sp4_medium A potential fight between Juan Manuel Marquez and semi/un-retired Floyd Mayweather Jr. is being talked about for September, but weight is an issue. From ESTO via Boxing Scene:

Mayweather wants the fight to take place at the welterweight limit of 147, and Marquez, still at 135, is not willing to move up that high in weight. Marquez feels that anything above 140 pounds will put him at a huge disadvantage.

Marquez is correct, it'd be too big for him. Floyd's not really a welterweight himself, but he's a bigger man than Marquez, who is really a blown up featherweight that could probably still make 126 pounds if the money was there. As great as he was against both Joel Casamayor and Juan Diaz, 135 seems to be stretching him just a bit thin as it is.

There's also only one reason I can think of why Mayweather can't make 140. Relatively speaking, making 147 should be a cakewalk for Floyd. 140 would simply require him to put in extra work, which might be a problem given the nagging little injuries he's had over the years, a lot of which spark up in his training.

If Marquez-Mayweather goes down the tubes (which kind of seems likely), Marquez might drag another guy out of retirement: Erik Morales. I have so little interest in watching Marquez beat the crap out of Morales that I can't even properly put it into words. Marquez is accepted as being on the level of Barrera and Morales historically at this point, or at least he should be. There's no reason for Marquez-Morales. JMM would be picking the bones of an increasingly-delusional legend, who is flat washed-up and turns 33 in September, when Marquez plans to fight again. 33 isn't old, and it certainly isn't old in today's boxing world, but Morales has years of wars that have piled up. He fought a close fight against David Diaz, but that's part of the problem. Prime Morales would've wasted Diaz with little trouble.

Bob Arum and Top Rank have been in touch concerning Edwin Valero, but Nacho Beristain says that Marquez "has no interest in fighting Valero." It makes sense. There's little money in it and Valero is dangerous.

But going back to Marquez-Mayweather: It's kind of cliche to say, but Juan Manuel called Floyd out, not the other way around. A lot of people are saying this, and I think it's sort of valid. If this fight doesn't come off, don't blame Floyd out of habit. In fact, probably don't blame anyone. It was half a pipe dream to begin with.

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anyone?

does anyone really want to see this other than golden boy?

i have zero interest or excitement for this one.

by sonofapsycho on Apr 12, 2009 1:02 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I'd like to

Partially because what if JMM beat him, you know? That’d be big big big.

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by SC on Apr 12, 2009 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

well

if there was an even remote possibility of that happening i would be interested but there just ins’t.

this is coming from someone who wants to see floyd beat just as much as anyone.

jmm has zero chance.

by sonofapsycho on Apr 12, 2009 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No one has zero chance. One of my favorite things said was by Roger Mayweather before the Hatton fight. Something like, “Of course [Ricky] has a chance. The minute you start saying the other guy has no chance, you lose.”

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by SC on Apr 12, 2009 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

but yeah

His chances aren’t good. Still, I’ll take it over JMM-Morales.

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by SC on Apr 12, 2009 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yea

still has no chance.

plenty of better fights out there. for both guys…in their own weight divisions.

by sonofapsycho on Apr 12, 2009 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah but ‘better fights’ is not the point for Mayweather. IMO, he’s not willing to take a real chance. While JMM may have more than ‘zero chance’, that may be the lowest risk fight where PBF can make the most money. That’s why he’s doing it. And, I don’t know about you, but I’m pretty sure SC will pay for it and someone with my last name will too.

by lcollins1 on Apr 12, 2009 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

not disputing that the business side or risk factor

im just saying the fight sucks.

i dont agree that floyd wont make the best fights, hes never ducked anyone before. i dont see him ducking guys like mosley, pacman, cotto and williams. well maybe williams will be the odd man out so to speak.

as for paying for floyd and jmm, not a way in hell. id go to a bar to watch the carnage though for sure.

by sonofapsycho on Apr 13, 2009 4:04 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i dont agree that floyd wont make the best fights, hes never ducked anyone before.

I think you might be the only person on earth that thinks this, and that’s not me disagreeing. I actually fully agree — his record of “ducking guys” is a lot less than most dudes in boxing, especially in his era.

The only things that really come to mind are Mosley — who God love him has never really seemed in any rush to fight Floyd either, and I’ve said many times I feel like neither of them ever truly wanted it, though both have talked about it — and Margarito, who was the fans’ choice after Floyd beat Zab, but Floyd instead took the exact same payday that was offered for Margo and beat the guy that beat Zab. I’ve never had any problem with that at all. Floyd fought THE welterweight champion when he fought Baldomir. I mean would I have loved to see Mayweather-Casamayor in their primes at 135? You’re damn right, but it’s not a duck situation. Neither is Cotto.

Mayweather also generally beat the shit out of beloved warriors when he fought them. Of Castillo, Corrales, Gatti and Hatton, only Castillo really tested him.

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by SC on Apr 13, 2009 5:46 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

for Floyd, yes

Marquez? Not really. Nothing even close to the same payday either.

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by SC on Apr 13, 2009 2:27 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great Fight

This fight would be Awesome, FM is not a true Welterweight, if they both can fight at 140 it would be great. Lets Get Ready To Rumble!!!!

by rgb on Apr 12, 2009 1:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Weight

I go back and forth about this, but something in me really does not believe that Floyd Mayweather cannot “make” 140 pounds fairly easily. Whether he would be as good there is an open question, but I don’t think he’d have to kill himself to make it. I’m a little puzzled about what Floyd’s comeback will even mean at this point. He sure does have the potential to make a lot of money fighting the winner of Hatton/Pacquaio, and he could make decent scratch fighting JMM too. But if the idea is, “You guys have to come up to 147 to fight me — where I am comfortable and have every advantage and you aren’t and don’t — but I won’t fight any top ten fighters at 147 who are more comfortable here than I am.” I’m not slamming Floyd, just the impossible situation this represents.

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by jrok on Apr 12, 2009 3:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

There aren't too many fights left that really make sense for Marquez

I honestly feel like most of the top guys at 140 beat him. He’s not a defense-first fighter anymore, and he’s slowed down a tick, and his chin just can’t withstand great power. He already cleared out the top guys at 135, if you assume that Campbell has moved up for good. Guzman would be a very dangerous fight for him, and not one with a lot of money behind it. At some point, Marquez is just going to need to either be content with being a big fish in a small pond, or is going to need to take a big risk in a fight that he’ll probably lose.

Vogt early, Vogt often.

by Brickhaus on Apr 12, 2009 3:48 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

"If this fight doesn't come off, don't blame Floyd out of habit"

i agree with this. JMM called flloyd out and he had to know there was no way hed come down to 140. but jmm going to 147 is pushing it

id wanna see the fight, but theres other people i wana see floyd fight more.

"After this, I'm gonna kick Bob Arum's ass."
-George Lopez

by thebitb on Apr 12, 2009 11:58 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I don’t even think Marquez even walks at 147… or has ever been 147.

"Boxing is dirty," said Casamayor. " The day I’m not ready to be a dirty fighter is the day I don’t fight anymore because it will mean that I have no heart for it anymore."

by Zocalo on Apr 13, 2009 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

and it’s pretty much the best match-up I can think of for Floyd: counter-puncher, slower, doesn’t hit as hard, considerably smaller. Recipe for either a one-sided sniper-based decision or a late stoppage.

by lcollins1 on Apr 13, 2009 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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