Re-watching Arreola-McCline
It was a good fight. Not "great" by a long shot, but better than I expected, despite the paycheck sort of ending.
Anyway, here are some things I feel like I learned from it.
- Arreola has a very good right hand. It's not spectacular, but its a business-oriented punch that he doesn't throw lightly. He wants to set the pace with it, and with McCline's "new Klitschko style" he sort of did. You can almost watch the fight as a progression of Chris' right hands
- Chris fights bigger than he is. He's not a "small" guy, but his foot movement kind of resembles a much larger guy, trying to fire off the half-step. He's not "big" enough to own the center ring, and McCline nailed him a couple of times while he was pretending to be able to do it.
- Chris' left hand is not very good. It's not totally horrible, but the times that Jameel nailed him were usually countering off of it with an uppercut.
- HBO politicking is at an all-time-high. The usual scripted ebb and flow was punctuated by the fact that Steward, Merchant and Lampley all called the fight. At one point, Merchant made a comment about how "this is how Americans fight" and Lampley (in his imitable way) waited a couple of beats before asking "How so, Larry?", which in Lampley-speak means "You're full of bullcrap, Larry." Merchant perked up for a moment to comment on how "European fighters" -- meaning ex-Soviet ones (and, really, meaning Manny's ex-Soviet one) -- were "good fighters" but lacked the sort of aggression that Americans apparently had in spades. There was sort of a bizarre pause, as though Manny was supposed to say something about this but didn't.... which leads to me to think that....
- Arreola really doesn't stand much of a chance against either Wlad or Vitali Klitschko. Honestly, I wish he would, but there's a real gap here that no one seems to want to recognize. It's not just size, but Chris' style is all wrong for these guys, particularly for Wlad. His footwork seems to play into Wlad K's style in the same way that Calvin Brock's did. I'd give him a slightly better chance against Vitali, but not enough to warrant the sort of pom-pom-work that HBO is willing to give him. Chris needs to be in against 2-3 more top heavyweights before he is ready for these guys, and show some ability to not just move his head, but to fight small and get inside with big steps. Otherwise, I think it might be another mismatch... and an easy KO.
Just my own thoughts on the subject. It was a good fight, and I like Chris. But there is such a thing as seasoning. I would like to see Chris against Igbraminov, Briggs or Valuev, and maybe all three. I think those kind of experiences would get him ready to be champion.
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In fighting a Klit, especially Vlad, I’m counting on Arreola’s ability to hurt him with the right hand. As you mention, he’s got some stylistic problems as far as trying to fight big but being too small to actually do it. But, I do believe Vlad can just be straight overwhelmed if someone’s determined from the start.
I think the key in that fight is the start. If Arreola cedes a ‘feeling out’ round or two, he’s done. Vlad will establish the jab and it’ll wind up looking like Tua v. Lewis. But, if Arreola gets aggressive immediately, even with mediocre small man footwork, I think he’s got a real shot.
Getting in quickly and underneath would really help him, I agree with that. But, for a guy with an amateur pedigree, I don’t know if that happens at this point in his career. He’s still got a shot with the right hand though, as good a shot as any HW.
by lcollins1 on Apr 15, 2009 9:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
good stuff
i quibble with the Valuev idea, only because I don’t ever want to see anyone in with Valuev ever again. I wouldn’t mind watching him knock Shannon Briggs on his ass, but Briggs also wouldn’t go through with the fight. Ibragimov is a neat idea.
"If they cut my bald head open, they will find one big boxing glove. That's all I am. I live it." -- Marvin Hagler
by SC on Apr 16, 2009 3:30 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You know what?
I thought about what you said and you’re right. I don’t want to watch Valuev fight ever again either. For awhile I was thinking it might be nice to see Chris KO him, but if he didn’t manage to do it then he would get robbed as well and the carnival would just go on full steam ahead. It might be good experience to fight someone that big, but its not even like Nicky can punch.
Yeah, Briggs is the ticket. I haven’t heard “Shannon the Cannon” shoot his low-class mouth off about Chris yet. It would be great to do that fight in Maddie Square in front of Shannon’s so-called “home crowd” (most of whom also think he’s a punk). His litany of excuses after he lost would be operatic.
"I want to see ocean. I want to see black people. I want to see palms." - Wladimir Klitschko
by jrok on Apr 17, 2009 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m sure Shannon would come up with a mystery ailment two weeks before the fight.
"If they cut my bald head open, they will find one big boxing glove. That's all I am. I live it." -- Marvin Hagler
by SC on Apr 18, 2009 1:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pop Quiz
Which of the following was Shannon’s excuse for losing the Igbraminov fight?
A. The rescheduled fight came too soon, he wasn’t well enough to train
B. The rescheduled fight came too late, he was ice cold.
C: He had walking pneumonia
D. His new asthma meds were bothering him.
E. All of the above.
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious." - Randall "Tex" Cobb
by jrok on Apr 20, 2009 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He always finds a way to come up with excuses
Fact is that he was never that good, and if you have athsma, quite possibly the dumbest thing you could do is bulk up like he did, since a muscular person needs to use a lot more oxygen to get the extra mass moving.
Vogt early, Vogt often.
by Brickhaus on Apr 20, 2009 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was the Juice man. I don’t know that he ever tested (+) but I’m pretty convinced that his blowup was juice related despite having no evidence to that effect.
by lcollins1 on Apr 20, 2009 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t know if he was juicing. Maybe he was juicing whole spiral-cut hams and chugging them down like milkshakes. One of the symptoms of walking-pnuemonia is “sudden unexplained weight loss”… yeah. Shannon might’ve needed a second opinion on that there diagnosis.
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
by jrok on Apr 20, 2009 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ahh, they’re all juicing. The burden has shifted. Every pro athlete must prove to me that they aren’t juicing. It’s not fair, but that’s how I look at it.
He blew up pretty good too. I didn’t catch a lot of his early career, but I remember when he fought LL he was a lot bigger than he had been in the past.
by lcollins1 on Apr 21, 2009 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed 100%
Arreola would never be able to get inside on Wlad’s jab unless he starts moving his head more, at the bare minimum, and he leaves himself wide open for the short right hook, which Vitali would nail him with over and over again. With Wlad, at least there’s the puncher’s chance, and the knowledge that he probably won’t just give up on trying to get to the chin like Ibragamov and Rahman did.
Vogt early, Vogt often.
by Brickhaus on Apr 16, 2009 7:56 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The chance I give him against Vitali is just Vitali’s body being maybe 75% good. If Arreola would rush him and go to work, maybe he’s got a shot. More likely Vitali absorbs him a few times, then thumps him down.
"If they cut my bald head open, they will find one big boxing glove. That's all I am. I live it." -- Marvin Hagler
by SC on Apr 16, 2009 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Arreola gets brutally KO’d by Vitali and gets easily decisioned by Wladimir.
In the short term, he needs to not fight either brother for another two years. In the long term, perhaps. But he still won’t win.
"A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on." - Sir Winston Churchill
by FlyByKnight on Apr 16, 2009 9:49 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The whole Vitali vs Maskeav thing might work in Chris' favor.
If Vitali is forced to go through with that fight and with Wlad fighting Haye it forces him to have a least one more fight. And if Haye’s some how wins he will not be fighting a Klit for around a year. He cuold target the WBA belt and hope that Ruslan wins.
I agree with everything that the original poster wrote but the only person he mentioned I would want to see him fight is Iggy. I would like to see him fight one of the big European guys.
by TXroyal on Apr 16, 2009 11:27 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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