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Froch vs Calzaghe: The irritant which wont go away

Until Saturday Joe Calzaghe was in a privileged position, where no matter who undermined his legacy, the reality was there was no one good enough to fight him.

That is no disrespect to the super middleweight division, which is rife with talent and one of the most compelling weight classes at the moment. Mikkel Kessler is a formidable fighter, and there is a strong cluster of fighters below him in the ranks - Bute, Andrade and Balzsay being a few. There was talk of Kelly Pavlik moving up, but his status plummeted when Bernard Hopkins ruthlessly took his 0 and his spirit in a dominant subjection.

But Calzaghe was unique. He had reached a pinnacle in his career where, after reigning at the top for 11 years, beating just about every type of fighter and style that can be produced, fights that could motivate him were becoming scarce.

He defended his title against brawlers, bangers, undefeated prospects and finished by beating two hall-of-fame legends. His legacy was complete and taunts from the domestic champion Carl Froch were laughable. He had far bigger fish to fry, and Froch did not belong in the ring with him.

That has changed. Froch heroicly took the WBC belt from Jean Pascal in a scintillating slugfest, and announced himself to the world stage. But no one could predict the impact he would make in his first defence of title against the man who had twice beaten Hopkins.

He defied many critics who thought Taylor's pedigree, speed and skill would be too much for the rugged Brit. Make no mistake, Froch's performance was flawed, he was letting the fight slip away from him, sticking his chin out and taking heavy shots from Taylor. He was duly dumped on the canvas for the first time in his career. But his response to this adversity, in Taylor's own back yard, was phenomenal. He imposed his will on Taylor and knocked him out seconds before the fight would have gone to the judges, and his title would have inevitably gone back into the hands of Taylor.

In beating a 'marquee fighter', Froch has elevated himself into a league of fighters which Calzaghe can't dismiss. The Cobra demands, and now commands respect in the boxing world. Calzaghe is retired. But there will be voices within him, telling him to fight Froch. To relieve this irritant. He can ignore the voices, but after Froch's fighting talk following his KO of Taylor, the voices will be louder than ever. His first thought after the gruelling defence of his WBC crown was - "look at me now Joe, i'm everything I said i'd be, now come and fight me and prove your not afraid of me." His attitude was refreshing: "Come on Joe" he said. "It's just a fight, what's the worst that can happen?" A cunning approach to the subject, a new ploy to coax the Welshman out of "pipe and slippers" lifestyle and I have no doubt the message got through. Calzaghe is a proud man and very conscious of his legacy and status; he does not want any questions hanging over his achievements. Froch is a lingering question, which may have arrived just too late for the Cobra to get his wishes, but would it be a good fight for Froch?

I think not. Calzaghe's work rate would give him nightmares and the Welshman, unlike Taylor, has the heart of a lion. He is not deterred by power, as he proved against Kessler, who landed some fierce blows on him. His mesmeric, ballerina-like footwork, his range and rapid hand speed have surprised and bewildered every opponent he has faced. Unlike Taylor, Calzaghe would be able to execute a game plan to perfection, with supreme confidence in his ability to do so.

Froch keeps his hands low, gets too involved at times and neglects his defence. He relies on his heart, heavy hands, strong chin and precision counter-punching. He is vulnerable to a big puncher and we saw against Taylor that if he takes enough heavy shots he can go down. Taylor decided not to jump on Froch and in fact, was the perfect gentleman as he gave him space and time to recover his legs.Calzaghe would not KO Froch, but he would land a multitude of clean shots on him and enough to back-up the Nottingham banger.

What is exciting is that Froch underperformed against Taylor and there is more to come from him. According to him, his slow start was down to a rushed warm-up and nerves of the big occasion, his entry into the elite class. Froch can be a great, dominant world champion, but there is one man who has the power to change that and it's the sublime, retired Joe Calzaghe. Beware the Welshman.

 

 

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he would embarass Froch

I see it being a wide UD or a shut-out, and that doesn’t add much/anything to his legacy. Taylor lost the fight by allowing Froch to come back. Calzaghe should see no need to come back – if Froch ever got in the ring with Kessler the gulf in class would be very evident, and Kessler would have no issues with finishing him.

by BrianBrock on Apr 27, 2009 2:18 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Calzaghe would embarrass Froch something fierce. It would be all bad. Calzaghe would probably knock him out with his relentless work rate and pretty powerful shots. He one-sided Hopkins and Jones, at least on my card, so I don’t think Froch would give him too much of a challenge with all things considered. It’d be an interesting fight for the first few rounds but Calzaghe would eventually wear him down and finish him. Guaranteed.

"A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on." - Sir Winston Churchill

by FlyByKnight on Apr 27, 2009 6:23 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

did you just say calzaghe’s “pretty powerful shots”?

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by battle axe of doom on Apr 27, 2009 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, I did. I guarantee you that by the eighth round, those shots Froch takes will be harder than he’s ever faced.

"A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on." - Sir Winston Churchill

by FlyByKnight on Apr 27, 2009 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

alright

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by battle axe of doom on Apr 27, 2009 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Taylor hits much harder than Cal.

I understand respecting Cal, he’s very good at what he does. But to say “…harder than he’s ever faced”.

No chance. Cal doesn’t/can’t/doesn’t try to: hit hard at all. I know he’s got some KOs where the guy goes down from sheer volume, but to me, in my opinion, your statement is ridiculous.

by lcollins1 on Apr 27, 2009 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Uh huh

Joe wouldn’t risk breaking those fragile hands of his again just to knock out someone who he’d shut out on the cards.

Vogt early, Vogt often.

by Brickhaus on Apr 27, 2009 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Possibly. But maybe not. Maybe Joe actually wants to knock someone out instead of just scraping for 12 rounds. Maybe he wants his last fight (and win) to be a knockout.

"A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on." - Sir Winston Churchill

by FlyByKnight on Apr 27, 2009 9:38 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Why risk it?

His hands are going to hurt for the rest of his life anyway, why risk making them worse for a small payday, or for getting a KO versus a decision.

Vogt early, Vogt often.

by Brickhaus on Apr 28, 2009 1:09 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Career perception. Sounds dumb but it’d make me knock a guy out, I’ll tell you that much.

"A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on." - Sir Winston Churchill

by FlyByKnight on Apr 28, 2009 2:09 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Joe Calzaghe’s never been that guy.

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by SC on Apr 28, 2009 2:34 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

True. Maybe I’m just evaluating this too much off of what I, personally, would do.

"A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on." - Sir Winston Churchill

by FlyByKnight on Apr 28, 2009 2:57 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Carl Froch vs Joe Calzaghe -the irritant that won't go away

Froch has the heart of a lion, brute strength and true stamina. He can really punch and takes a shot too…but…he drops his arms like Lennox Lewis did when McCall floored him. This schoolboy error has to go if he is going to surprise Calzaghe…but his chin seems to be made of steel.

This would be a great fight. Froch’s will to win, stamina and power punching could rock anyone in boxing today…but we know that Joe possesses these qualities in abundance.Calzaghe does not need to prove himself anymore. There is always a new challenge….but this could be a huge job for either fighter.

by Kiwi Col on Apr 28, 2009 4:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I think Cal would absolutely dominate Froch. Froch is not fast, is extremely easy to score points against, and doesn’t have really high output. I don’t think that’s a good fight at all. Froch likes to throw lead hooks. It worked against ‘deer in the lights’ Taylor, but he won’t hit Cal with one of those. And, Froch’s chin isn’t great. Taylor dropped him and hurt him several times.

Will to win, stamina and some power are great, but you can’t bring a donkey to the horse race. And while Froch’s a very nice donkey, compared to Cal he’s a donkey. 12 rounds to 0.

by lcollins1 on Apr 30, 2009 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Exactly

big difference between Taylor and Calzaghe. Froch is lucky that Taylor is usually hesitant because if he wasn’t, his ass would’ve been out in 4 rounds

by Burt88 on May 2, 2009 10:42 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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