Rumor: Mayweather-Marquez deal "has been reached"
by Scott Christ on Apr 27, 2009 9:12 PM EDT
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Rick Reeno of BoxingScene.com has the following:
BoxingScene.com was advised by two sources who are close to the situation that a deal has been reached for Floyd Mayweather Jr. to fight Juan Manuel Marquez. The proposed date is July 18 on HBO pay-per-view. The two sides have been negotiating for several weeks and the biggest roadblock was the catch-weight. The exact weight was not disclosed to me, but from [what] I understand the two sides agreed on a weight below 145 pounds.
I'd guess 143 or 144 for the weight, but all signals are going green for Mayweather-Marquez, like it or not. This will sell pretty well due to the intrigue of Floyd's return, but it will also sell well because it's another chance for an underdog Mexican warrior to be the guy that takes Floyd's "0." Never count out the rabid Mexican fans when it comes to PPV support, and Marquez is the biggest star they have left.
Now, this won't be some million seller or anything, and probably won't beat the 900K that Mayweather-Hatton did over here. I'd expect somewhere between 500-600,000 buys, though, and you know Golden Boy and HBO will go all out promoting, and Floyd will more than hold up his end making this an event.
I'll guarantee a few things, though:
- Mayweather won't fight Pacquiao if/when he beats Marquez, should Pacquiao beat Hatton. Arum can trash Floyd all he wants, but I don't think he'll be itching to put Manny in with him. Cotto? Yeah, I think he'd put Cotto in with Floyd.
- If Hatton and Mayweather both win, there's not a single solitary doubt in my mind they'll fight again. I'll watch because I watch everything of any value if it's presented to me, but while I certainly think there are enough casual fans and Hatton crazies (no offense, anyone) to make it a big success, it won't be what the first meeting was in any way, unless Big Floyd stayed on board with Hatton for the fight. Then you've got a great "24/7" on board for a fight where "Little" Floyd wrecks Hatton again.
- If Mayweather-Pacquiao can't be made, I don't think Mayweather will fight Cotto, who has a tough fight on his hands in June, too. But assuming THEY both win, no I don't think Floyd will fight Cotto. I don't think he has the guts. I'm not a Floyd basher, but I also don't have blinders on. Incredible talent, questionable desire. Nothing he's ever done really gives me the impression he'd fight Cotto. Period. That's not really a knock, it's just the way it is.
- If Floyd can't fight Ricky again, I don't have any clue what he'd actually be willing to do. He might just "retire" again and wait to be called out by someone he thinks he can handle.
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I’d guess 143 or 144 for the weight
I’d actually say 142. It’d make more sense, at least to me.
Marquez can give Mayweather problems but Floyd’s stingy defense and counter-punching will cause Marquez to lose.
"A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on." - Sir Winston Churchill
I think JMM has — at best — a 15% shot of winning this fight and a lot of that depends on Mayweather being rusty. I’m interested in the fight, but my gut feeling is that it will have the result that is turning a lot of folks off.
"If they cut my bald head open, they will find one big boxing glove. That's all I am. I live it." -- Marvin Hagler
by Scott Christ on Apr 27, 2009 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Interesting fight
and one that if Floyd felt like he could go on the offensive and not his usual defensive game. I do not think that JMM can hurt him and he doesn’t have the speed to catch him. I will watch bc Floyd is one of my favorite fighters
atleast its not
going against ufc 100 on the 11th.
still have no interest in seeing this fight. i think its a total mismatch. i’ll make my trip to the bar to watch the slaughter though.
also i dont see why floyd would be afraid of cotto. im no floyd fan at all, i think the guy is a total dick but cotto just is not in the class of him. floyd boxes his ears off and stops him rather easily in my opinion. i dont think it happens though because i think cotto is going to lose to clotty. if cotto gets by clotty somehow, i do see floyd/cotto happening. nothing else is out there for him and its the most money for him.
who floyd won’t fight is paul williams. paul is the only guy i see with the tools to beat floyd. a tall fighter with pop and knows how to throw a jab is going to be floyd kryptonite.
who floyd won’t fight is paul williams. paul is the only guy i see with the tools to beat floyd. a tall fighter with pop and knows how to throw a jab is going to be floyd kryptonite.
It’s the work rate that’ll kill Floyd. He might catch Paul with a counter-left hook but who knows. The reach will be the huge decider.
"A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on." - Sir Winston Churchill
by FlyByKnight on Apr 27, 2009 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions
workrate, power, jab
is all the tools needed to beat floyds style.
nothing floyd has will hurt williams either.
by sonofapsycho on Apr 27, 2009 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions
if cotto gets by clotty somehow, i do see floyd/cotto happening. nothing else is out there for him and its the most money for him.
"If they cut my bald head open, they will find one big boxing glove. That's all I am. I live it." -- Marvin Hagler
by Scott Christ on Apr 27, 2009 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions
floyd dominates him too
hate to say it but he does.
mosleys win over plaster hands didn’t impress me as much as everyone else. i expected him to beat him up the way he did. hes just a much better fighter than him. plaster hands is/was the most overrated fighter today. shane is still pushing 40 and not the same nearly as good as he once was.
5 or 6 years ago is when this fight should have happened. shane could have beat him then.
by sonofapsycho on Apr 28, 2009 3:37 AM EDT up reply actions
You think Floyd-Shane is that big a mismatch? I’m gonna give you this: I think Floyd (barring a decline) has a HUGE speed and defensive advantage over Shane these days. But Shane is a fighter’s fighter when pressed. I think that’s a good fight maybe. i also think neither of them want it as much as they might say they do.
At 135 in their best days each, Floyd-Shane is epic. I really mean that — I’ve said it before, but I’d put 135-pound Shane in against anyone ever, and Floyd was crazy good down there. Today at 147, I favor Mayweather too but Mosley would do everything possible to make it a fight.
I also agree with you 100% that PW at 147 might just plain dominate Pretty Boy today.
"If they cut my bald head open, they will find one big boxing glove. That's all I am. I live it." -- Marvin Hagler
by Scott Christ on Apr 28, 2009 3:46 AM EDT up reply actions
i didn't say mismatch
but floyd wins 9 or 10 rounds easy. floyd/jmm on the otherhand is a mismatch.
shane can not deal with boxers (see winky fights, and forrest out boxed him), let alone one with the quickness of floyd.
i agree, at lightweight, with shane in his prime, is an epic fight, id even pick shane to win it.
by sonofapsycho on Apr 28, 2009 4:11 AM EDT up reply actions
That’s a fair observation on Shane. I can really see Floyd winning 9, 10 rounds too. Shane would need a KO to beat Floyd, IMO.
"If they cut my bald head open, they will find one big boxing glove. That's all I am. I live it." -- Marvin Hagler
by Scott Christ on Apr 28, 2009 4:59 AM EDT up reply actions
I can’t even remember Mayweather being hurt except for the flash knockdown he got vs Judah that they didn’t noticed ala Tarver vs Hopkins.
Nonetheless, I didn’t think Mosley could KO Margarito but he did and in stunning fashion. It would be foolish to discount him with his amount of pop.
"Boxing is dirty," said Casamayor. " The day I’m not ready to be a dirty fighter is the day I don’t fight anymore because it will mean that I have no heart for it anymore."
It's a lesser of evils question
Given that we all know PBF will never, ever fight Williams, Mosley is the best choice. Would I favor Mosley overall? No. Would he give Floyd the best fight of the contenders Floyd might actually fight? Yes.
Boxing writer: "Iran, what are you going to do when you retire?"
Iran Barkley: "Rob your house"
I can’t see how Marquez can win this fight… he just doesn’t have the physical tools to overcome Mayweathers skill.
He has enough savvy and techinical skill to make it interesting but we all know what the outcome will be.
"Boxing is dirty," said Casamayor. " The day I’m not ready to be a dirty fighter is the day I don’t fight anymore because it will mean that I have no heart for it anymore."
But assuming THEY both win, no I don’t think Floyd will fight Cotto. I don’t think he has the guts. I’m not a Floyd basher, but I also don’t have blinders on. Incredible talent, questionable desire. Nothing he’s ever done really gives me the impression he’d fight Cotto. Period. That’s not really a knock, it’s just the way it is.
Wow! I never thought I’d hear something like that from Scott Christ. I agree. I don’t bash Floyd either, but I’ve never thought of him as 147 lb fighter (or even really a 140 lb fighter), and his ring business at 147 basically boils down to Carlos Baldormir. Like you said, that’s just the way it is. He’s not interested in risking his neck at welterweight, and its possible that they couldn’t write a check big enough to do that. Not just because he could get beat-up physically, but because he thinks the “undefeated mystique” will serve him well after he is really retired. He might even be right, and so might Calzaghe. Then again, it could backfire on them. One recurring theme of boxing and of life is “What have you done for me lately?”
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
I just hope this is a tune-up for something legit. Even if it’s not PW, Cotto, Clottey, Shane, maybe Pacquiao, something. Is he really going to come out of retirement to fight JMM and then quit again? The answer could easily be ‘yes, he likes money’. But I hope there’s something at the end of this.
To me, it borders on cowardice. JMM is tailor made for Floyd to beat. Above I gave JMM a 5% chance of beating Floyd, I think it’s more like 2%. The only way JMM wins is because of an injury by Floyd. And not just a broken hand, Floyd needs to break both hands or an ankle. That’s it. There’s no other way. JMM is slower, smaller, worse defense, lighter-puncher, same style.
People have been posting tennis related metaphors on this site lately so I’ll put it my native tongue: this is Nadal v. Hewitt. Similar baseline counter-punching style, one’s bigger, stronger, more explosive and better defensively. It’s only competitive when Nadal wants to go back to Spain for a long weekend. And unlike tennis, every fight at this level is center court at Wimbledon. Nadal kicks Hewitt’s ass every time it counts.
And, I’ll pay for it and watch it more than once. Why? Because there will be two or three moments in the fight where I’ll just smirk at the talent level in a state of awe.
I think the only thing JMM can hope for is to get the early rounds while floyd gets his timing down but from then on he will have to hold on as Mayweather will hit him hard and with pin point punches.
I cant figure out who he will take on next i dount he will go for Pac if he beats Hatton or Cotto or even Clottey and Mosley will be way to dangerous of a fight since his speed could catch Mayweather and his power hurt him.
Maybe Hatton win lose or draw
Please no
Hatton Mayweather was a match made in heaven, commercially. Two contrasting styles and personalities. Good guy, bad guy. Front foot vs back foot. Action vs counter-action and all the rest of it.
But the hype proved to be misguided in terms of how the fighters matched up. Floyd’s style is tailor made for Hatton, who proved a sitting duck for Pretty Boy’s precise pot shots, which had a massive cumulative impact on the Hitman.
I desperately don’t want to see this repeated and although I did think Joe Cortez was too anxious for the clinch to be separated, no referee would change the outcome. As for Floyd Marquez? A strange clash of styles, which could definitely produce a close fight. Both share a sharp, boxing intelligence and are capable of adapting strategies during a fight. A really see most rounds being cagey, and Juan Man can certainly win a few, but I’d have to side with Floyd to out-think him and win comfortably. Juan Man is in his element when a fighter comes to him, and is drawn into his counter-attacking style. With Mayweather boxing off the back foot, having much faster hands, I see him beating Juan to the punch and Marquez would eventually have to come looking for him, which is when Floyd would truly come into his own.
As for WIlliams, his punch out-put and style would surely give Mayweather problems, yet his first fight with Carlos Quintana still bothers me. What happened? Bad night for Paul, but Quintana found a chopping overhand left which landed all night long and Williams just couldn’t figure him out.
could be better second time round
Hatton’s better boxer now, and if its at a catchweight it would increase his chances heaps. Anyway, some business to take care of May 2 before that…. :))
the only business hatton will have after may 2nd is setting up a press conference for his retirement after getting destroyed
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by battle axe of doom on Apr 28, 2009 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Hatton says he has no interest in fighting Khan and I really doubt he has any interest in working with Warren.
"If they cut my bald head open, they will find one big boxing glove. That's all I am. I live it." -- Marvin Hagler
by Scott Christ on Apr 28, 2009 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s all true, of course, but I can’t help feeling that a bad loss to Pac might make Ricky look for a big cash-out fight where he’s likely to win. Retirement is a very plausible alternative, though.
i think he’ll retire. only two losses to the record ain’t a bad way to go especially since both losses were to the #1 P4P fighter in the world at the time of the losses (still think he’s overrated but whatever)
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by battle axe of doom on Apr 29, 2009 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions
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