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Best Chins in Boxing

Capt During yesterday's round by round, someone raised the question of whether Librado Andrade has the best chin out there today.  I do think he's at the elite level, but I do think there are a few guys ahead of him.  Here's my top 10.  Just remember, this is only one man's opinion on who has the best chins on a pound for pound basis, and I'm probably forgetting a few guys completely.  Feel free to state where you agree or disagree in the comments below.

1. Glen Johnson - As far as I can tell, Johnson hasn't been knocked down in his career.  His style isn't exactly one that's conducive to not getting hit - he comes forward and throws punches in bunches, and while he does have a bit of underrated slickness, he's still a guy who's more than willing to take one right on the chin to get off two punches of his own.  And it's not like he's faced small punchers.  He got his butt kicked badly by Bernard Hopkins back when they were middleweights, yet managed to not go down.  He went toe to toe with Chad Dawson at 175 in a fight that many thought he won (I had it a draw), and wasn't even wobbled by some massive blows.  He's also faced, and I don't remember him ever being hurt by, some other decent punchers like Tarver, Woods, JG Gonzalez and Jones Jr.  For me, Johnson takes the current Iron Beard Award.

2. Arthur Abraham - Abraham reputedly has never been down in his career, either as an amateur or a pro.  While his turtle shell defensive style means that he's not going to get his square on the chin all that frequently, it still has happened quite a bit, and sometimes at the hands of some pretty big punchers.  Abraham has a titanium jaw - literally.  In their first fight, Edison Miranda broke his jaw early in the fight, and somehow Abraham managed to never go down.  You know you're good at staying on your feet when your jaw gets broken before you get knocked down.  The main reason he's not #1 is that his beard isn't that well tested other than against Miranda.  He could still jump to #1 if he faces off against Pavlik and weathers the storm without getting hurt.

3. Ben Tackie - Sometimes you hear about a guy who trainers love because they know that the fighter will give their prospect a solid 10 rounds of action, so they can test their stamina.  Tackie is prototypical of that guy right now.  Down only once in his career, he's faced off against many of the best at 140 over the past 10 years, including Kostya Tszyu, Ricky Hatton, Kendall Holt, Sharmba Mitchell and John John Molina.  He's also moved up to 147 a number of times, never really getting hurt.  Like Johnson, his style isn't particularly cute, and he does get nailed on the chin, yet he's almost always able to take it, and he generally provides a rugged test for entry into the elite of the division.

4. Librado Andrade - Though Andrade's been down twice in his career (both flash knockdowns, against Yusef Mack and Lucian Bute), there's a pretty good argument for Andrade being number 1.  Unlike the other guys, the majority of his defense consists of him blocking punches with his face.  Some guys are willing to take a punch to get off two, Andrade's willing to take two to get off one.  Most of the time, the result of a punch on Andrade is the same - it just bounces off his head, with no apparent damage, Andrade not even thinking twice about moving forward.

5. Carlos Baldomir - Baldomir is very similar to Andrade, but he's been hurt a bit more than Andrade, so he's a spot lower.  Baldomir has faced a number of good to decent punchers over the years without getting phased - Floyd Mayweather (who absolutely creamed Baldomir, with no discernable effect on Baldomir), Zab Judah, Joshua Clottey, Sugar Jackson and Arturo Gatti.  Baldomir even managed to beat a few of them without having much of a semblance of boxing skill or handspeed, simply because the punches that hit him didn't hurt him, and he had the heart to keep moving forward and keep firing away on his opponent.  While Baldomir is nearing the end of his career, his chin will still make him somewhat special.

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6. Stevie Forbes - Initially, I had Forbes ranked higher, but I've been convinced that he should be lower due to his slick style.  Forbes has been operating all the way from 130 to 150, and despite facing a number of guys much bigger and more powerful than he is, he's managed to never go down in his career.  While he's never faced THE biggest punchers, he's managed to fight Oscar De La Hoya, Andre Berto, El Famoso, Yodsanan Sor Nanthachai, among others, and come out unscathed.

7. Bernard Hopkins - Hopkins has only been down twice in his career, and both knockdowns were in the same fight against Segundo Mercado.  While he's good at making people miss or at least not land cleanly, even those who have generally have not been able to hurt him.  On top of that, he's a fighter that often leads with his head, and that's just not something you can get away with if you have a shaky chin, or else it makes it easier for your opponent to knock you out.  Hopkins has fought Jones Jr., Tarver, Johnson, Pavlik, Tito, and Taylor without getting hurt.  One thing that does hurt his legacy, however, is that he never really faced the best (or the biggest punchers) at 160 after he got whooped by Roy Jones.  For almost 10 years, he pulled a Calzaghe, facing mandatories and mediocre optionals, and even when he finally stepped it up against Trinidad, he was facing a blown up welterweight who had left most of his power in the lower weight classes.

8. Shane Mosley - Mosley's worked his way up from a natural 135 all the way to 154, and has really only been hurt once in his career (the second round of the first Forrest fight).  While Mosley has good defense when he fights smart, he's never been one to let his head get in the way of a good brawl, and despite usually being the naturally smaller man, he's been able to take the best that a number of powerful punchers had to offer and keep on coming.  Cotto, Winky, De La Hoya, Mayorga, Vargas, Leija and Molina were never able to get him to back down.  While he is a great boxer all the way around, I feel like his chin is a criminally underrated part of his arsenal.

9. Tomasz Adamek - Yes, Adamek has been buzzed a couple times in his career, but especially lately, he's shown a ton of composure when getting nailed with bombs.  A natural light heavyweight, he's moved up and taken the best that O'Neil Bell (a huge puncher for a cruiserweight, in my opinion), Steve Cunningham and Johnothan Banks have had to offer.  Also, he took a beating from Chad Dawson without getting hurt.  He was buzzed a few times by Paul Briggs in some absolute wars, but he was badly out of position when it happened, and really didn't see those punches coming. 

10. Jeff Lacy - While Lacy hasn't turned out to be what a lot of people thought he would be, he's just taken a ton of punishment over the past few years and never seems to have been hurt.  Joe Calzaghe isn't the biggest puncher in the world, but he's strong enough to do a bit of damage, just not enough to deter Lacy, who seems like he ate about 80 punches a round that fight.  Taylor laid into him without hurting him.  Epifanio Mendoza, a big puncher, was able to land clean just barely buzzing him.  Now, it seems like he's moving up to 175, where he'll have more of an opportunity to have his chin tested.  While he no longer looks like a legitimate contender, he could still carve out a good career as a Ben Tackie type, if that's what he desires to do.

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Oliver McCall is legendary for his chin.  In the second Lennox Lewis fight, he just broke down and started crying in the middle of the ring, apparently because he was going through some kind of drug withdrawal.  With McCall's hands down, Lewis was able to land a few huge free shots, and McCall didn't even budge.  He still hasn't been down in his career, although he's at the very end of it now and hasn't been in a major fight in a while.  All time, he's way near the top, but I excluded him from this list considering where he is in his career.

James Toney has rarely been hurt in his career, despite moving from middleweight to heavyweight, in part because of his chin and in part because of his slick defense.  At this point, he's been hurt in several recent fights, and 75+ fights plus thousands of hours of sparring have taken their toll on Toney.

Carl Froch could wind up on the list soon, but his chin hasn't really been tested that solidly yet.  To the best of my knowledge, he has yet to be hurt, and wasn't really hurt as an amateur either.

Joshua Clottey could make the list as well, but he has a lot of the same problems as Margarito - he's just usually the bigger man, but unlike Margarito, his chin is less tested because of his turtle shell defense.  If he takes some clean shots from Cotto, he could move up and onto the list.

Sam Peter had a fantastic chin not that long ago, but his heart just isn't in it anymore.  He got caught three times by McCline, and while he was able to take most of Vitali's punches, he just didn't have the will to continue.

Antonio Margarito has a solid chin, but that he had a granite chin is somewhat of a myth.  Cintron never landed many good shots on him, and Clottey's power is overrated (as it usually is for muscular guys).  He's been knocked down about 6 times in his career now, and Mosley really brutally knocked him down.  When he was at 154, he got wobbled on a fairly regular basis.  He's close to the list, but just not quite there - I feel like to have an elite chin, you need to be able to carry it up when you face bigger opposition, and as a welterweight, he was usually the bigger man.  Also, frankly, I'm protesting putting him in the top anything while he's on suspension.

Antonio Tarver would have been up here a couple years ago, but his chin seems to be fading with his old age.  Like Abraham, he had his jaw broken by Harding and just kept on fighting (although he did get dropped late in the fight). 

I can't remember Paul Williams ever being hurt in his career, but other than Margarito, what big puncher has he faced?  Maybe his chin gets bumped a notch with the revelation that Margarito was probably loading, but a lot of questions should be answered next week when he faces a true middleweight in Winky Wright.

Victor Ramirez just won a cruiserweight title much in the same manner than Andrade fights.  He hasn't been tested that much, but he was never down when he fought as a heavyweight, and he looked perfectly natural as a cruiserweight, so it's probably safe to say he has a very solid chin.  He should be facing Ola Afolabi next, so hopefully it will get tested a bit more.

Is David Tua even still fighting?  I heard he was going to fight Shane Cameron, but last time I heard from him, he was whining about not getting any big money offers.  Note to David - you're not going to get any big fights by sitting on your fat ass.

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I think you could slide in Juan Urango somewhere on that list (definitely an honorable mention).

by schraubd on Apr 5, 2009 3:50 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Maybe

If I do a list for power, he’ll almost certainly be top 10 there.

Vogt early, Vogt often.

by Brickhaus on Apr 5, 2009 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

PW was hurt against Margo late, I think. He was definitely on his bike a couple times. But like you said past that who is there, and the Margo fight, y’know, who knows what was up there anymore.

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by SC on Apr 5, 2009 3:54 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

No you're right

He was. The were plenty of times later where Williams was driven to the ropes. But let us watch for Saturday, see if Winky still has some power left after his long rest.

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by Sickle on Apr 5, 2009 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I didn't think of it as him getting hurt as much as getting pushed back

By hurt, I mean more like buzzed. Williams seemed bothered, but not like his legs were about to give.

Vogt early, Vogt often.

by Brickhaus on Apr 5, 2009 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I really can’t agree with a list of iron chins that doesn’t have Jesse Feliciano anywhere on it. He is a walking chin, and I’ve seen blocks of cement that would budge more from a flush punch.

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by jrok on Apr 5, 2009 4:16 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Good call

Demetrius Hopkins did knock him down and have him badly hurt though, and DHop isn
t really a big puncher.

Vogt early, Vogt often.

by Brickhaus on Apr 5, 2009 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah I know

But the sheer volume and velocity of punches that the man eats and walks through… with absolutely no defense at all… is simply horrifying at times. My god, Cintron practically broke his hand on Jesse’s head.

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by jrok on Apr 5, 2009 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

what about Mikkel Kessler? Didn’t see him much pre-Joe-pitty but I haven’t seem him get hurt.

by lcollins1 on Apr 5, 2009 4:41 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I actually thought Joe stunned him

But Kessler hasn’t really lost a round in his career outside of that fight.

Vogt early, Vogt often.

by Brickhaus on Apr 5, 2009 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just curious—when did you think Toney was actually hurt? The only time I can actually remember Toney being hurt was when Peters buzzed him in their second fight, and he had to momentarily grab the ropes to keep from being staggered. Still, he didn’t go down.

While his overall quality has declined a lot because of his age and condition, the chin, as they say, is one of the last things to go. I would probably slip him in the bottom half of the list and bump the far less tested Lacy. I also think you still have Forbes too high.

Overall a great list though. I had forgotten about Tackie when were discussing this last night.

by Matt Miller on Apr 5, 2009 4:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Peter hurt him

and he did go down, sort of. I thought Oquendo stunned him a couple times, and I heard that Batchelder did as well (although I haven’t seen that fight).

Vogt early, Vogt often.

by Brickhaus on Apr 5, 2009 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

(Regarding Shane) While he is a great boxer all the way around, I feel like his chin is a criminally underrated part of his arsenal.

This is a statement I completely agree with, and I would’ve rated Shane much, much higher in a Chin Tournament (although, maybe you are just listing these guys in no particular order.) Shane’s cin is certainly thicker then Hopkins, who has been in against big punchers but doesn’t get hit flush enough to qualify. Nard “neutralizes” power, he does not walk through it.

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by jrok on Apr 5, 2009 4:46 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I still think he was buzzed from the headbutt in that 2nd round before he went down for the count vs Forrest.

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by Zocalo on Apr 5, 2009 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, George Chavulo! or is this too longago! pc! nice article!

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by cylee1180 on Apr 5, 2009 5:50 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

If it was all-time, Chuvalo would be near or at the top

But I’m no boxing historian, and I wouldn’t feel comfortable putting together an all-time list.

Vogt early, Vogt often.

by Brickhaus on Apr 5, 2009 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

!

just hit me at the moemnt, that’s all. good list tho! very entertaining. who were the power punchers during bhop’s middleweight prime? I missed that era completely (no cable tv). Thanks!

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by cylee1180 on Apr 5, 2009 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It was a pretty weak era

IIRC, the biggest punchers weren’t necessarily the best fighters. There were some big punchers up at 168 (Benn, McClellan, Collins), but that was early in his career and there really wasn’t a reason to look up a division yet. It’s not really Hopkins’ fault, but he didn’t necessarily always go after the person who was perceived to be the toughest test at the time. I have a tough time thinking of who he should have fought that he didn’t, although he waited a long time to fight some of them.

Vogt early, Vogt often.

by Brickhaus on Apr 5, 2009 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hop's prime is over?

Someone forgot to tell him, heheh.

As a huge (and, therefore, lonely) Hopkins fan, I’ll take a crack at this. Tito was a very big puncher that Hop faced, as was Pavlik. But it’s worth noting that both (like Oscar) were fighting above their weight class, and netiher seemed to carry their power up. Mercado actually did have a very solid punch, as did Antwun Echols. So did Wayne Powell, although I wouldn’t consider that to be Hop’s prime, nor Powell very good. Carl “The Squirrel” Daniels didn’t have the heaviest hands in the world, but he definitely had some real pop at middleweight. In my opinion, Bernard handles both punchers and boxers masterfully in a neutralizing way, but certainly not in a “take two to give one” way.

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by jrok on Apr 5, 2009 6:45 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Sorry, that was to cylee

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by jrok on Apr 5, 2009 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hop beats Cal if he’s in his prime, faded down the stretch. He’s past his prime, it shows depending on the style he’s up against.

by lcollins1 on Apr 5, 2009 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

what if the bhop agst pavlik fought calzaghe again? He dind’t seem to fade in that fight! what would a rematch go like?

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by cylee1180 on Apr 5, 2009 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think Joe C MADE Hop fade

Its the pace that he breaks down and beats everybody with. He sure doesn’t win with KO power

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Apr 5, 2009 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

agree with IP. Cal’s pressure made old Hop get tired. I don’t think it makes a younger Hop get tired. I think young Hop KOs Cal.

by lcollins1 on Apr 5, 2009 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think Kassim Ouma deserves an honorable mention

Taylor hit him with everything but a rubber mallet and Ouma walked through it. He got put away once early in his career but his chin has held up remarkably well since that time despite getting beatings from some quality fighters

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Apr 5, 2009 7:24 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Good call

He was down a bit earlier in his career, but he’s been hit with the kitchen sink by some bigger fighters without going down.

Vogt early, Vogt often.

by Brickhaus on Apr 5, 2009 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Margarito

Sorry, I can’t agree with this classification. Cintron brought one all the way back, and by the time it connected with Toni’s chin it had gone a long way and was happy to see it. Toni looked at him with absolute contempt, and hit him 3 times in reply.

Also, in the Cotto fight, he was hit with probably 300 power shots, centring mainly on his chin. He never looked as though he was bothered, and Cotto isn’t exactly feather-fisted, y’know?

The definition of the word ‘chin’ is quite important here. When you are discussing ‘chin’, do you literally mean the guy’s chin, or his punch resistance when caught in the head? If you are talking about his actual chin, then Toni’s is the best in the sport. Mosley (coached by the quite frankly amazing Nazim Richardson) did not hit Toni more than 10 times on the chin, he concentrated his head shots on Toni’s temples, which creates a completely different kind of concussion. Toni took all Cotto could give him right on the chin, but cannot deal so well with temple shots, as we saw in the Mosley fight (probably why Mosley didn’t bother throwing shots down the channel onto Toni’s chin, Nazim probably told him not to bother…).

If we are talking about punch resistance when caught in the head, it’sa completely different argument. Toni would still be there, but would be nowhere near number #1. It may be, somewhat counter-intuitively, that Cotto’s technical superiority over Mosley has actually counted againt him in the Margarito fight, ie- Cotto throws shots with devastating power down the channel, but Mosley throws shots from different angles, which while being less effective against most fighters, worked better against Toni (how many times do we watch boxing and wish a guy would throw a straight shot through the gate? Against Toni, that is not a good plan, is my point. You’realmost better off not being a great technical puncher and hitting him with wild swinging shots, to push it to an extreme. I’m not saying Mosley was swinging wildly, but you get my point.)

Anyway, for me, best chin out there is Toni.
Best punch resistance is probably Johnson or Hopkins, in my eyes.

Honorable mention- I can’t believe no mention of Ricky Hatton. The guy has walked through some serious shots in his time, including some massive ones from Kostya Tszyu, and has VERY rarely been down, especially lately.

Does the fact a boxer doesn't switch weight divisions during their career detract from their overall P4P ranking?

Cos I'd take Hagler over most heavies in history, P4P, and also over "6 weight world champion" Oscar De La Hoya, and Marvellous Marvin never really messed about with his weight, did he?

by Chaos100 on Apr 5, 2009 8:58 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Hatton pre-Mayweather, yes

But obviously Mayweather not only knocked him out, but did so in brutal fashion, and Lazcano had him seriously hurt.

When I say “chin”, I mean resistance from being punched in the head. I’ve never really heard it defined any other way in a boxing sense. Nobody ever says “he has a great chin, but boy do his temples suck.”

Vogt early, Vogt often.

by Brickhaus on Apr 5, 2009 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I aggree

A “good chin” refers to how much damage one can absorb in the head without being hurt.

I think the word “chin” is used because the jaw is the only mobile (and most vulnerable) part of the skull, and can easily result in brain stem trauma when hit (which can lead to a knock-out).

Good list, thanks for posting it :)

by Strategos on Apr 5, 2009 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rec'd

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by jrok on Apr 5, 2009 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Margarito isn’t a licensed boxer.

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by SC on Apr 5, 2009 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

This isn’t a case of “he hasn’t fought in a while.” He’s fought very recently. But, he can’t fight, now or in the forseeable future. Antonio Margarito is not a professional boxer.

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by jrok on Apr 5, 2009 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We don't have a gauge of Margo's chin

Cotto hit Margo on the way out or while trying to get out, as have most of the guys that Margo’s fought. I don’t think we can over- state the fact that when a guy’s got loaded gloves, the other fighter doesn’t set and throw his punches in a normal fashion. He throws them while getting the hell out of the pocket, arm punches off the back foot. Cotto didn’t know he was facing loaded gloves, but he knew he was getting hit with damaging punches. Bottom line: Margarito’s never seen Cotto’s real power, and he never will.

What if we make a ‘late -round KO power’ list, does Margo belong on that?

We don’t have to put him jail without evidence, but are you really going to put him on ‘best lists’ knowing that he was likely cheating in his relevant fights?

by lcollins1 on Apr 5, 2009 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Whether or not his gloves were loaded is irrelevant to this list. And if you don’t think Cotto was smashing him in the face then may I humbly suggest you watch the fight again. In the first 6 rounds Cotto beat the crap out of him, but Toni looked completely disdainful.

As for comparing the ‘best chin list’ to a ‘best late KO power list’ with regard to a fighter who has loaded gloves, that is beneath you. I have lost all respect for Margarito as a man, and as a fighter, but I can still see that if you hit his chin with a sledge-hammer he would laugh it off, and he didn’t load his chin, y’know?

I have had many conversations which contain distinctions between ‘chin’ and ‘punch resistance’. For me, Toni’s actual chin is the most solid in the sport, as much as I wish it were not. The fact I longer like the guy doesn’t mean I have to lie to myself about what I have seen.

Does the fact a boxer doesn't switch weight divisions during their career detract from their overall P4P ranking?

Cos I'd take Hagler over most heavies in history, P4P, and also over "6 weight world champion" Oscar De La Hoya, and Marvellous Marvin never really messed about with his weight, did he?

by Chaos100 on Apr 6, 2009 6:28 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

speaking of disdain.

The best defense is a good offense and that’s why his power looked good while he was in boxing. When he doesn’t have plaster to keep people on their heels, his chin is exposed as merely ‘good’ if that. From watching Mosley, who doesn’t hit the way Cotto can, destroy Margo, the explanation is that Cotto would do the same if it was a true competition. There is no evidence that in a fair fight, Margo’s chin is any better than a 9th round KO loss to a light hitting welter champion with great speed.

Mosley couldn’t KO DLH in 24 rounds. Less than true lightweight Pacquiao KO’d DLH. Mosley KO’d Margo without plaster.

by lcollins1 on Apr 6, 2009 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well I agree with you but Mosley is a very underrated puncher (the guy has 39 knockouts in 53 wins), Oscar has a great chin and Pacquiao made him quit when he was old and out of shape, etc.

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by SC on Apr 6, 2009 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think Mosley is a stronger puncher than Cotto and always has been. Cotto works best by accumulated body shots landed over time.

by Matt Miller on Apr 6, 2009 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t think so. Between the two of them, Cotto’s left hook anywhere body or head is the most powerful punch. Shane’s power may be under-rated, but at Welter he hasn’t stopped guys at the higher level: David Estrada (who Berto KO’d) and Jose Luis Cruz both proved to be stoppable guys who Shane didn’t stop.

by lcollins1 on Apr 6, 2009 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tua is still around. He is facing Shane Cameron in what will be New Zealands biggest fight ever and since its the only decent fight around here im going to be going. It should be a bloody fight as Shane bleeds while walking to the ring

by sigidy on Apr 6, 2009 1:41 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Cool list

Cant really argue about any of those on the list. These are todays blastproof fighters. Toney should be higher up the list. Stunned maybe in a few fights but not life and death.

Something you mentioned about Oliver Mcall not having a count. Im pretty sure i read somewhere that JC Gomez made him touch a glove in McCalls last fight…Could be wrong.

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by dinkman on Apr 6, 2009 8:24 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

minus Clottey being robbed while fighting Cotto in P. Rico…taking a knee can be a well-timed move….i’ve always debated the fighters i hear have never been knocked down or taken a knee.

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by theworldsoldestsport on Apr 6, 2009 8:04 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

As a postscript

I just want to mention that I (and everyone else) completely forgot about Vitali Klitschko. I don’t think the man has ever been hurt in his career, and he’s taken some flush shots from big punchers. While the fact that he’s a massive heavyweight hurts him somewhat in pound for pound terms, he would still have probably been around #5 had I remembered him.

Vogt early, Vogt often.

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