Open Thread and "Best Chin" Poll
by Matt Miller on Apr 6, 2009 9:23 PM EDT
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Since Brick's post below seems to have generated a significant amount of interest, I'm putting the question to the BLH community. I selected most of Brick's picks, as well as two others I would have included if I had made the list myself: Jesse Feliciano and James Toney. So what do you say? Which boxer has the best beard?
Feel free to use this as an open thread to discuss anything you want if you're tired of all the "who's got the best chin" talk.
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toney for sure
never once seen him hurt. was hurt once to the body in the jirov fight though. other than that i can’t recall anything.
by sonofapsycho on Apr 6, 2009 10:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Others...
explain in the thread, that’d be here.
by lcollins1 on Apr 6, 2009 11:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Rocky Balboa!
But seriously, I may just vote for Feliciano, just because no one else would. I have argued on many occasions that Jesse should retire. As far as having absolutely NO DEFENSE other than “blocking every single punch with his head” and moving forward through horrendous, constant assualts, its Jesse Feliciano hand’s down. But I am also afraid to vote for him, because I don’t want to do anything that may in some small way encourage him to fight on.
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by jrok on Apr 6, 2009 11:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Valuev?
He hasn’t really been tested enough, but I thought about including Valuev. Nikolay has a lot of problems as a boxer, but one gets the impression that his chin isn’t really one of them.
by Matt Miller on Apr 7, 2009 2:41 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i dont think so
theres a youtube vid of one of his earlier fights that shows him getting rocked all around the ring. i dont think its that good.
im too lazy to look up the vid or fighter but i promise its there.
by sonofapsycho on Apr 7, 2009 3:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ive seen that also. Think its a last round hurrah from some tiny guy (tiny next to Valuev). Would not say he rocked all over the ring, but he sure got stung again and again.
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by dinkman on Apr 7, 2009 4:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think thats it from You Tube. Called Valuev can take it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaigdKiO8Xc
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by dinkman on Apr 7, 2009 4:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
not it
thats actually not the one i was talking about. i never seen this one before. valuev looks in bad shape in this one.
i seem to remember the fighter being stocky and black. im pretty sure the fight was in america.
by sonofapsycho on Apr 7, 2009 4:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Which active boxer has demonstrated the best chin?"
Was the way you phrased the question an attempt to stop people mentioning Margarito?!!
Well played. :)
I’ve voted Johnson. It still sticks in my throat a bit that he was not given the decision in the Dawson fight, which I thought he clearly won. All told, that was a bad night for me, what with Dawson (quite emphatically NOT my favourite fighter…) being exposed and yet still getting a decision he didn’t deserve, and me losing a right few quid betting on Clinton Woods vs (a supposedly ‘shot’) Tarver.
Does the fact a boxer doesn't switch weight divisions during their career detract from their overall P4P ranking?
Cos I'd take Hagler over most heavies in history, P4P, and also over "6 weight world champion" Oscar De La Hoya, and Marvellous Marvin never really messed about with his weight, did he?
by Chaos100 on Apr 7, 2009 2:43 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Was the way you phrased the question an attempt to stop people mentioning Margarito?!!
Bingo.
by Matt Miller on Apr 7, 2009 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Andrade for much the same reasons jrok picks Feliciano. Andrade does roll his head really well with power shots, but the man is a tank. I’ve seen him knocked down but never hurt, and the sudden knockdown from Mack should have hurt him if nothing else did. That was a punch from the street two blocks away from left field.
Glen Johnson would be my #2.
"If they cut my bald head open, they will find one big boxing glove. That's all I am. I live it." -- Marvin Hagler
by SC on Apr 7, 2009 2:55 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I thought long and hard about Johnson, Andrade, and Toney. In the end, I too went for Andrade. While Toney’s move up in weight in some ways suggests the best chin of them all, I ultimately felt that Toney is (or was) too well rounded in his defensive arsenal to attribute his resilience specifically to his chin.
It’s the way Andrade incorporates his confidence in his chin as an explicit part of his fighting style that led me to go with Librado.
by Matt Miller on Apr 7, 2009 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Toney
JT for me. Adamek takes a good slot as well.
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by dinkman on Apr 7, 2009 3:06 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i think adameks jaw is a bit overrated. hes been in a bunch of wars and come out on top of all but one, but the guys he fought haven’t been huge bangers. he was rocked some by cunningham whos a feather fisted boxer. someone with good pop can knock him silly with his lack of defense. guillermo jones for instance would ko him at crusier imo.
by sonofapsycho on Apr 7, 2009 3:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I feel like Adamek is a KO waiting to happen against a strong puncher. If Haye had stayed at cruiserweight, there’s no way he stays up for the 12 rounds in that fight
by thirdslip on Apr 7, 2009 8:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe not a vote for the best only because it’s still early in his career, but you have to give James Kirkland some props for his last fight against Joel Julio. Julio was dishing out some solid shots and Mandingo took them like they were nothing.
by detroit_dan on Apr 7, 2009 12:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
yeah I thought about Kirk too. He’s been clearly rocked and dropped by Allen Conyers, but if the fight goes past the first round, his chin seems to get better. But, it could also be that he has a weak chin and so far he’s made everyone fight off the back foot. Julio landed some bombs, but he also landed a lot of punches on his way to crashing into the ropes behind him.
by lcollins1 on Apr 7, 2009 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay, maybe I’ll catch hell for his… but Margarito doesn’t even remotely qualify. It IS true that his defense is “suspect”, to put it mildly. In a way, I feel as though he DID have a very good chin, once upon a time, but that certain guys in his camp also noticed that he didn’t have much else. I have looked at many of his fights, particularly since his loss to Santos. Someone has already said it, but if you are loading your gloves and bobming guys with them, it’s almost impossible to rate your chin, because it becomes very difficult to gauge the effectiveness of a man’s punch who has been subjected to your illegal power…. even for one round! The pre-Santos version Margarito didn’t had “stopping power” agains elite fighters… afterwards he KO’ed in the first round guys like Golden Johnson who had gone a long way with punchers like Shane.
In short: Margarito was a cheat. It happened, and it can’t un-happen. Ther is no part of his career that isn’t suspect, anf that includes his chin, which, while it can be reached about the same no matter the condition of the opponent, can also be protected to a large degree by debilitating his opponents with hardened hands. He is out of the sack race.
"I want to see ocean. I want to see black people. I want to see palms." - Wladimir Klitschko
by jrok on Apr 7, 2009 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Some of the shots Cotto landed were insane
Anyone able to withstand that, gets my vote
by Option27 on Apr 7, 2009 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
also prior to mosley KOing his ass, margarito took some pretty nasty shots. even when margo was hurt he just stood there and took shots until he eventually crumpled
to quote SC in his RBR of that night : “JUST GO DOWN ALREADY YOU ROBOT”
with all that said: margarito can go to hell. f that guy
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by battle axe of doom on Apr 8, 2009 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gotta go with Cley-Bey.
I’m sorry, that fight with Etienne was epic in ways words can’t express. Cley-Bey literally dropped his hands to his sides at one point and ate a few full-power shots to the chin without flinching.
I know he’s a journeyman, and was never anything more, but I’ve never seen anything like that before.
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by misterjonez on Apr 9, 2009 4:46 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Sounds like what McCall did against Lewis
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by Brickhaus on Apr 12, 2009 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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