Bad Left Hook Fight Night: Andre Ward v. Edison Miranda
by SC on May 16, 2009 8:12 PM EDT
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| ANDRE WARD | EDISON MIRANDA | |
| 18-0 | Record | 32-3 |
| 12 | KO | 28 |
| Oakland, CA | Hometown | Buenaventura, Colombia |
| 25 | Age | 28 |
| 6'1" | Height | 5'10" |
| 73" | Reach | 77 1/2" |
| Henry Buchanan (UD-12) Jerson Ravelo (TKO-8) Rubin Williams (TKO-7) |
Notable Wins | Allan Green (UD-10) Willie Gibbs (KO-1) Howard Eastman (TKO-7) |
| Notable Losses | Kelly Pavlik (TKO-7) Arthur Abraham (UD-12, TKO-4) |
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Featured undercard bout: John Molina v. Frankie Archuleta
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hopefully
i can watch this live. this cafe where my 10 year high school reunion is happening doubles as a sports bar so chances are it’s gonna be on and i can take a break from seeing people i don’t remember and check it out.
watching replays or on demand just isn’t the same.
by sonofapsycho on May 16, 2009 3:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If you DVR and completely ignore the result
its almost as good.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on May 16, 2009 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I already made my prediction but I will just say that Andre Ward doesn’t have what it takes to knock Edison Miranda out, which is big committed punching and a chin and guts. I respect his olympic background but he has the cautious style that Miranda will love to work his thing on. Edison Miranda KO 7!
by Ice on May 16, 2009 4:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Apparently Lacy Vs. Jones Jr. is close.
http://www2.tbo.com/content/2009/may/16/lacy-close-jones-jr-bout/news-breaking/
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
by P Brady on May 16, 2009 6:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Bruce Seldon TKOed Gabe "The Ape" Brown in 5 rounds
It was not even mentioned on the FNF telecast last night.
Seattle Seahawks: We've got Brian Russell and TWO kickers!
by SSreporters on May 16, 2009 6:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Pretty sure his nickname is "Big G" actually
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
by jrok on May 16, 2009 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"The Ape" was a joke from me.
Although either nickname resembles him perfectly. ;-)
Seattle Seahawks: We've got Brian Russell and TWO kickers!
by SSreporters on May 16, 2009 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't tell him that
He’ll sit on you.
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
by jrok on May 16, 2009 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just rewatched Whitaker-McGirt on ESPN Classic. I really had a love/hate relationship with Sweet Pea and I guess I still do… he was so satified to just stand there and look at you forever if you let him. It was frustrating to watch him in the 12th round, knowing he was ahead and just flat out refusing to fight. McGirt still hit him with a few nice straight rights, though, even with all of Sweet Pea’s Matrix shit.
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
by jrok on May 16, 2009 8:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I loved that matrix shit. Nobody matrixed like Sweet Pea
by lcollins1 on May 16, 2009 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m actually interested in the undercard his time. Molina(no relation) isn’t really “stepping up” or anything, but Archuleta is no cupcake and has been in the ring with some serious comp. I am curious, at least. I don’t really know what to make of Molina in the overall picture yet.
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
by jrok on May 16, 2009 8:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Getting it on right away. Very good, Showtime.
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
by jrok on May 16, 2009 9:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think Molina does this inside 6 rounds.
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
by jrok on May 16, 2009 9:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Man, Archuleta looks like he has absolutely nothing on those punches. Molina needs a ton of work though. He is very hittable.
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
by jrok on May 16, 2009 9:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
full swings, don’t even stop Molina from walking in
by lcollins1 on May 16, 2009 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Molina-Archuleta R1
Archuleta with a lunging left after Molina comes out winging. Molina is so much naturally bigger than Archuleta. Archuleta fires a roundhouse right. Uppercut by Molina as Archuleta gets caught in no man’s land coming in. Archuleta driven back to the ropes. Couple jabs from Archuleta. Left stings Archuleta. Archuleta with a right, and then a body shop. Nice stuff from the vet. Left by Molina ends the round nicely.
Molina 10-9
by SC on May 16, 2009 9:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Molina just barely missed the home run shot at the end there.
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
by jrok on May 16, 2009 9:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Molina-Archuleta R2
Seeing how little Archuleta has on his shots makes me think this one just can’t last very long. Farhood’s desperate plea to get Molina some rounds doesn’t seem likely.
Archuleta firing to the body, hitting him pretty easily. He’s throwing in combinations. He’s game. Molina walking into shots. Molina is UNLOADING NOW, and Archuleta goes down with about a minute left. Doesn’t look too hurt, but the fire is too much for him. Archuleta quits.
John Molina TKO-2
by SC on May 16, 2009 9:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Bullshit
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
by jrok on May 16, 2009 9:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I mean, predictable, but bullshit.
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
by jrok on May 16, 2009 9:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Archuleta went from game to here only to cash a check really fast.
by SC on May 16, 2009 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They don't make em
like Penalosa anymore
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on May 16, 2009 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No Cable
My roomates have not paid the cable company so now I don’t even have basic cable and Showtime. Anyway, it’s fun being here. I’d like to anounce to everyone that I am recording a CD to be released in July or August. Today I uploaded a new song from the sessions. It’s the best thing I’ve ever done. All on my music Myspace page:
http://www.myspace.com/jasontryptheprysmleaves
by JasonTryp on May 16, 2009 9:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think Molina’s going to fold once he fights a banger who can look him in the eye, like Breidis Prescott.
by dervish686 on May 16, 2009 9:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What I meant to say was that a Breidis Prescott type would kill Molina with Molina’s open D and not being able to rely on an advantage in size and height.
by dervish686 on May 16, 2009 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I mean, obviously outsized and outmatched but the shit-eating grin was disgusting.
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
by jrok on May 16, 2009 9:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
actually pretty unimpressive to me. Molina looks like a poor man’s Katsidis. Wings with decent power and as little defense as is possible.
by lcollins1 on May 16, 2009 9:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
So the main event is next?
Seattle Seahawks: We've got Brian Russell and TWO kickers!
by SSreporters on May 16, 2009 9:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
believe so. After the Steve Charles pitch is done. Sorry but I think this guy just blows
by lcollins1 on May 16, 2009 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks. Don't have Showtime
So I’m relying on this.
Seattle Seahawks: We've got Brian Russell and TWO kickers!
by SSreporters on May 16, 2009 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ha, I meant Nick Charles who especially blows.
by lcollins1 on May 16, 2009 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He sucks on Versus
A Miranda fight is tailored to guys like Gus Johnson.
Seattle Seahawks: We've got Brian Russell and TWO kickers!
by SSreporters on May 16, 2009 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If this fight sucks this night sucks pretty much. Please don’t suck fight.
by lcollins1 on May 16, 2009 9:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Totally up to Ward
He can probably make this a dull fight by running from Miranda. Wouldn’t be the dumbest strategy, but less fun for us.
by schraubd on May 16, 2009 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I will throw rotten tomatoes if he runs
I’ve had my fill of track meets tonight.
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
by jrok on May 16, 2009 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I got Ward KO 10. I am also torn… but Eddie still looks drained to me.
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
by jrok on May 16, 2009 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ward has got to land something early and gain some respect to keep Miranda off him. Picked a UD too
by Full Throttle on May 16, 2009 9:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
if Edison’s drained at SMW, does this doom him to a Gatti-like existence of being too big for one weight class and not big enough for the next one up?
by dervish686 on May 16, 2009 9:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ward-Miranda R1
Miranda stalking Ward after Ward presses early. And there’s an accidental headbutt from Miranda that opens a cut on Ward. Ward with body work. Miranda stalking again. Left hook by Ward, mostly blocked. Ward with a right, Miranda just misses a left hook. Ward throwing to Miranda’s gloves as he holds them high. Miranda is trying too much to measure him. And Ward goes southpaw. Long left by Ward, gets a big ooh but pretty sloppy really. Left by Ward again. Miranda is throwing these long, slow right hands that just aren’t going to land.
Ward 10-9
by SC on May 16, 2009 9:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ward was rattled by the cut
I’m not convinced he’s fighting his fight right now.
by schraubd on May 16, 2009 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ward-Miranda R2
Ward out throwing to start the round. Miranda throwing back. Nobody landing much. Ward goes southpaw again. Left hand by Ward. Thudding right from Miranda. And another right. Miranda is really coming at him with the rough house stuff. Good counter right by Ward. He’s so much faster and more technically sound than Miranda. Miranda will need a big shot. I think that much is clear. Not saying he can’t land it either.
Low blow isn’t called. Miranda is a dirty SOB.
Jab by Miranda, left hook by Ward and Miranda postures. Miranda throws another wild right. STIFF short right by Miranda, Ward fires back with a left hook! This is pretty intense. Miranda’s right is finding a home. So far Ward’s taking it OK.
Left hook by Ward again. Fun round.
Ward 10-9
Ward 20-18
by SC on May 16, 2009 9:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
19-19 — i gave R2 to Miranda, but it was close.
by schraubd on May 16, 2009 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ve never seen Miranda be this dirty this early. Usually I attribute it to frustration, tonight there was some planning prior IMO
by lcollins1 on May 16, 2009 9:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah that first butt was blaitant if not both of them
by Full Throttle on May 16, 2009 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ward-Miranda R3
Left hook Miranda. Ward wants to hit the body when he sees it open, which is good work. Left hook to the body by Ward. Long right Miranda, just short again. Ward misses a lunging left hook, then clinches up, using all that just to get out of the corner. Miranda trying to jab his way in now. Left hand by Ward. Nice combo with a left hook by Ward. Miranda postures some more. Miranda isn’t throwing a ton, but he’s missing badly on loaded up shots and might just tire himself out doing that. Ward with a HUGE left hand just before the bell — that one got Miranda’s attention and then some.
Ward 10-9
Ward 30-27
I think Miranda’s going to crumble by the eighth at this pace.
by SC on May 16, 2009 9:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ward looks good. Maybe not a totally flush right has landed, but some partial shots have and Ward seems unaffected
by lcollins1 on May 16, 2009 9:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ward-Miranda R4
Miranda finds the right, or at least part of it, and Ward grabs up. Miranda is trying to cover up and counter which is about the last thing he should be trying to do against this guy. He’s just too inactive to win the fight like this. Ward is deterring him. Looked like a low shot by Ward, but Miranda doesn’t react. This is becoming pretty one-sided the last two rounds. Miranda is off balance and looks terrible in there. Just terrible.
Ward 10-9
Ward 40-36
by SC on May 16, 2009 9:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ward-Miranda R5
Lead left by Ward, fighting southpaw again. Miranda is getting TORN UP in there about halfway into the round. Ward is picking him apart with ease. Miranda doesn’t look like he really wants it anymore, but then he rarely has in recent years when the fight hasn’t been easy. Another flurry from Ward, and Miranda keeps pounding his chest and then just standing there getting his ass kicked.
Ward 10-9
Ward 50-45
by SC on May 16, 2009 9:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ward fought southpaw that whole round, which seemed to help him get open a lot
Vogt early, Vogt often.
by Brickhaus on May 16, 2009 9:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This is as active as I've seen Miranda look in a long time
Vogt early, Vogt often.
by Brickhaus on May 16, 2009 10:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Knock him out in the 7th please. I think that's what I had in my prediction.
Seattle Seahawks: We've got Brian Russell and TWO kickers!
by SSreporters on May 16, 2009 10:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ward-Miranda R6
Ward has controlled distance beautifully this entire fight. Even on the inside he’s winning this fight. Big body shot by Ward. Miranda is losing his guts, because again as Farhood notes, the bully is being bullied. Miranda’s a shitty bully.
Right hand by Miranda does land, but Ward just comes right back. RIGHT HAND MIRANDA. Oo-fah. Ward is swelling up some. Miranda’s best round since the second, right after I crap on him.
Ward 10-9
Ward 60-54
by SC on May 16, 2009 10:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
"Miranda’s best round since the second, right after I crap on him."
Okay Triumph, the insult comic dog. ;-)
Seattle Seahawks: We've got Brian Russell and TWO kickers!
by SSreporters on May 16, 2009 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hate how these guys slob on a fighter's knob
At this point, I have Miranda winning this round, but all they can do is talk about how great Ward looks.
Vogt early, Vogt often.
by Brickhaus on May 16, 2009 10:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ward-Miranda R7
Ward opening back up, looking to hit the breadbasket again. NASTY headbutt from Miranda, and the referee didn’t see it. That had a thud on it. Miranda is chasing him this round. Uppercut from Miranda, and Ward stings him back with a left hook. Miranda has been much better the last two rounds; I think Ward’s gameplan is breaking just a little bit. Miranda sneaks this one out I think. Just barely.
Miranda 10-9
Ward 69-64
by SC on May 16, 2009 10:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I ended up scoring it 10-10
Vogt early, Vogt often.
by Brickhaus on May 16, 2009 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks, I don’t have Showtime, so this messageboard is my only connection to the fight.
by dervish686 on May 16, 2009 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is actually a pretty solid fight, just somewhat one-sided
Ward isn’t blowing out Miranda in any round, but beating him close in most of them.
Vogt early, Vogt often.
by Brickhaus on May 16, 2009 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Miranda is getting mugged right now
by Full Throttle on May 16, 2009 10:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ward-Miranda R8
Ward throwing power shots, but Miranda blocks. Left hook Ward, all gloves on that “connection.” Ward is working him over in close, putting Miranda on the ropes and beating him to the body. And there’s a left hook. And another hard body shot. Miranda’s getting mugged in the corner. This is ugly. I mean he is just all up in his shit. Miranda trying to punch his way out and it’s just not happening. Big round for Ward.
Ward 10-9
Ward 79-73
by SC on May 16, 2009 10:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Has Ward come close to a knockdown?
Seattle Seahawks: We've got Brian Russell and TWO kickers!
by SSreporters on May 16, 2009 10:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Nah
They’ve both landed a few solid shots on the other, and neither has seemed hurt.
Vogt early, Vogt often.
by Brickhaus on May 16, 2009 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So unless Miranda quits I can bank on a UD?
Seattle Seahawks: We've got Brian Russell and TWO kickers!
by SSreporters on May 16, 2009 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah but Miranda looks pretty frustrated. I wouldn’t put quitting past him
by lcollins1 on May 16, 2009 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Miranda has some rapidly growing swelling around his left eye
Vogt early, Vogt often.
by Brickhaus on May 16, 2009 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ward-Miranda R9
Ward continuing to win what has become a rough fight. Miranda’s still trying, but it’s not there. There’s a series of good shots, and Miranda’s rocked. He’s hurt and Ward knows it. Miranda clinches up on bad legs. Ward winging now. And Edison seems like he’s back to fine. Miranda misses badly and Ward makes him pay for it near the end of the round.
Ward 10-9
Ward 89-82
by SC on May 16, 2009 10:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I can’t wait for the now annual Edison Miranda Friday Night Fights comeback where Joe Tessitore talks him up like he’s goddamn Rocky Marciano.
by SC on May 16, 2009 10:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What’s amazing is that Ward is winning both as a superior chessmaster and a superior brawler. He’s been really rugged on the inside, but also shown a dozen and a half looks that have got Miranda totally lost.
by schraubd on May 16, 2009 10:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
My god this guy is a one trick pony. Throw a body punch once a decade.
by lcollins1 on May 16, 2009 10:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ward-Miranda R10
Ward looks like he wants the stoppage. Long right from Miranda, Ward makes it miss. Ward is definitely winning some Warrior Points tonight just because he’s been so willing to mug Miranda and test what he’s got inside, which has turned out to be nothing. Ward has — in my view — largely dominated.
Ward 10-9
Ward 99-91
by SC on May 16, 2009 10:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
MMMM
Ward looked dizzy there. I didn’t see the push, but I don’t really doubt it was there.
Vogt early, Vogt often.
by Brickhaus on May 16, 2009 10:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ward's corner
“Beat him up, but don’t try to knock him out”
Vogt early, Vogt often.
by Brickhaus on May 16, 2009 10:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ward-Miranda R11
Ward looking to rip him with that straight left and he’s landing it again, which he has the whole fight when he’s gone southpaw. As a lefty he has destroyed Miranda. Farhood: “Miranda might as well put a message in the mail that he’s going to throw that right hand.”
Ward gets Miranda to walk into another left. Heading into the final round Miranda has but a prayer.
Ward 10-9
Ward 109-100
by SC on May 16, 2009 10:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Miranda is just forgetting every punch, all he is doing now is just trying to load up right hands. Can’t blame him I guess, he has got to land a big one and he knows it
by Full Throttle on May 16, 2009 10:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ward-Miranda R12
Miranda is out to throw, which is all he can do. But he’s getting grabbed up, which is very smart for Ward. Miranda has stalked the entire round, Ward has just played defense. Miranda misses a final lunging right.
Ward 10-9
Ward 119-109
by SC on May 16, 2009 10:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ok the question is...
Does Ward beat Pavlik? Miranda was actually able to land on Kelly.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on May 16, 2009 10:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Granted Kelly can think to actually mix it up more than
jab… Jab, cross… jab jab… jab, cross
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on May 16, 2009 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't forget the occasional hold against the ropes.
Seattle Seahawks: We've got Brian Russell and TWO kickers!
by SSreporters on May 16, 2009 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
For the record...
One thing Ward is… is a smart tactician. B-hop abused Kelly on his technical flaws. Ward might be able to do the same
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on May 16, 2009 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Miranda was a better fighter before that fight.
by SC on May 16, 2009 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you think?
I just think he got away with more of his dirty tactics.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on May 16, 2009 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I do think Pavlik beat something out of him. He hasn’t been so willing to mix it up. Throwing too little in long spurts was always a problem for him, but Kelly beat the living shit out of him in that fight.
by SC on May 16, 2009 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
fair nuff
I can’t argue it because he doesn’t seem to be have the same will to trade.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on May 16, 2009 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
total domination. Ward a little better than I thought, Miranda a little worse
by lcollins1 on May 16, 2009 10:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
118-110 — I gave 2 and 12 to Miranda. Very impressive performance by Ward.
by schraubd on May 16, 2009 10:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
116-112? Byrd is judging?
Seattle Seahawks: We've got Brian Russell and TWO kickers!
by SSreporters on May 16, 2009 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"and still champion"
of what? Oakland?
Vogt early, Vogt often.
by Brickhaus on May 16, 2009 10:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
consider me open to the thought of being sold on Andre Ward. I thought the Colombian bomber would expose him as an overprotected commodity. However, Ward’s got a future, but he needs to keep fighting stiff opposition.
by dervish686 on May 16, 2009 10:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Well, Ward at least looked like a pro this fight for me, instead of a glorified amateur. He even overcame a little adversity, and looked loose here and there. He still lacks that killer instinct, though. He had Miranda dead to rights near the end of R9 and couldn’t commit.
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
by jrok on May 16, 2009 10:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He buzzed him I dont know if he ever really hurt him
by lcollins1 on May 16, 2009 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed to both you and jrok
He didn’t really hurt Miranda, and he doesn’t have killer instinct even if he did.
Vogt early, Vogt often.
by Brickhaus on May 16, 2009 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he was hurt
But maybe not “really” hurt. We’ll never know, but he had spaghetti legs for sure. A killer would have killed him.
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
by jrok on May 16, 2009 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He stunned him, which would sound the fire-bell for some fighters. But he’s just not a killer… he is a S.O.G, not an S.O.B.
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
by jrok on May 16, 2009 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
Ward, for the first time, showed himself to be a genuine pro and a big player in the 168lb stakes. I also thought he could have finished Miranda and shown more of a killer instinct. Ward’s instinct was to run towards the end. But he completely dominated Miranda, took a few of his best shots and won the inside fighting. All these were questions I had about Ward that were answered. This fight wasn’t entirely about the brilliance of Ward, but also the decline of Miranda as an intimidating fighter. All the Columbian could muster was an occasional, painfully predictable right hand. He wound that up so blatently that Ward had the luxury of making a pot of tea before ducking and countering Miranda’s foolish advances. Ward must have loved it when Miranda stuck out his ineffective left jab/prod and raised his right hand in anticipation, saying: “Here she comes baby, you better watch out because this punch i’m about to throw with my right? It’s going to KO your ass, man. When this lands you will know that I am the Pantera. Now Mr Olympian, without further ado, allow me to introduce…MY RIGHT HAND!”
by maxirap on May 17, 2009 5:53 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think Froch eventually bombs him out. Froch won’t stand there being mugged like Miranda did.
by SC on May 16, 2009 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Froch needs someone to hit. Ward’s lateral movement is very good, I think he can make that work very well against Froch
by lcollins1 on May 16, 2009 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Would be a good fight either way
Andrade probably gives Ward problems eventually also. I still think the worst style matchup for Ward would be Dirrell.
Vogt early, Vogt often.
by Brickhaus on May 16, 2009 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Froch’s a good banger, but I fear he won’t be able to wipe his ass at 45 with the amount of leather he takes on the chin.
by dervish686 on May 16, 2009 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I cracked up for a good 30 seconds reading that.
Seattle Seahawks: We've got Brian Russell and TWO kickers!
by SSreporters on May 16, 2009 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Froch has got a very Frankenstein’s monster relentlessness about him. I would like that matchup.
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
by jrok on May 16, 2009 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I gotta see more of Froch than his awesome KO of Taylor to make that statement
From what I saw (watched the full fight on Youtube) he has killer instinct and has good technical ability.
Seattle Seahawks: We've got Brian Russell and TWO kickers!
by SSreporters on May 16, 2009 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah I don’t like his technique at all. He’s ugly, and ugly worked against Taylor but…
by lcollins1 on May 16, 2009 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ugly
BARELY worked against Taylor and some refs wouldn’t have stopped that and he would have lost had he not put Taylor down again in the next 15 seconds.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on May 16, 2009 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Taylor would have gone down again in those 15 seconds.
by SC on May 16, 2009 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah Jermaine was deaaaaaad meat. Froch could’ve blown on him and it’d be timber time. That was actually a pretty impressive come from behind beat-down…. Taylor was bushed from all the herking and jerking, and Froch has some crunching power.
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
by jrok on May 16, 2009 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Ward would easily outbox Froch and not get hit with the bomb like Taylor did.
by Full Throttle on May 16, 2009 10:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
So does that count as a KO for picking Ward in a UD. Just wondering cause I didn’t get one for picking Dawson over Tarver in a UD
by Full Throttle on May 16, 2009 10:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
not sure about the rules for the picks
by Full Throttle on May 16, 2009 11:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i have too much faith in punchers
is the fight worth watching on a replay?
by sonofapsycho on May 16, 2009 11:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
yeah at least parts of it. Any three early rounds and like 8-11. Ward’s in-fighting is pretty impressive.
by lcollins1 on May 16, 2009 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Andre Ward is to 168 what Chad Dawson is to 175. It’s as simple as that. And neither man will ever get the respect they deserve. Quite a shame.
"A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on." - Sir Winston Churchill
by FlyByKnight on May 17, 2009 2:46 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Can't say I agree
I think Dawson is better than Ward period, but Ward will probably never get super popular because (a) he’s good at everything but not great or flashy at anything and (b) he doesn’t come off like he wants to hurt his opponent. Ward’s already a bigger draw than Dawson though.
Vogt early, Vogt often.
by Brickhaus on May 17, 2009 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chad Dawson - Tim Bradley is a good comparison in terms of talent/popularity level though
Vogt early, Vogt often.
by Brickhaus on May 17, 2009 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ward will get respect, but...
Ward still has some tough opposition to fight yet, before he is anything close to what Dawson is at light-heavy. I know what you’re saying, Ward has great technical ability, but like Dawson may not have that killer KO instinct or power, which earns you real respect worldwide. But let’s see how Ward handles someone like Froch, who I can assure you is far more technically sound than Miranda. Many people haven’t seen enough of Froch and assume he is a one dimensional, come-forward slugger. To say that is a genuine error. He does revert to trading bombs often because that is his warrior instinct taking over. That is what could shorten his career if he doesn’t change. But Froch is a skilled, precision counter-puncher and would bring so much more to the table than Miranda did last night. Shots froma ll angles. He is smarter than Miranda and his hands are just as heavy. Remember what he did to Taylor? He wore him down with precision punches, despite being outboxed for the first half of the fight. Ward’s whiskers took 3 or 4 good shots last night. Those whiskers would have their right of passage against Froch, that is for sure. Ward was able to bully Miranda last night and showed no reluctance to get in close, but I would advise a more cautious strategy with The Cobra.
by maxirap on May 17, 2009 5:51 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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