What is Ward's true standing at 168?
Many of us were waiting for former Olympic gold medalist Andre Ward to truly prove himself as a professional. When he signed a fight with Colombian slugger Edison Miranda, that was his first genuine step into legit competition.
Ward dominated Miranda in every facet of the game on Saturday night, not exactly an unexpected outcome. As far as pure skill goes, Ward was always Miranda's superior. There were some questions about his chin, about how deep he was willing to wade into the waters of a tough fight, and whether or not he could or would stand up to a bully fighter.
Like Arthur Abraham and Kelly Pavlik before him, Ward seemed to figure out before he even got in there that Miranda may be a bully, but he's a bully who's exceptionally easy to push around. When met with resistance anymore, Miranda seems to lose his chutzpah, his machismo. Ward not only beat him handily at range, but he pushed Miranda around, out-muscled him, and beat him up when they fought in close.
But given what we know now about Miranda, what did this really prove?
It might seem like I'm saying Ward didn't prove much, but I'm not. Miranda may well be nothing more than a gatekeeper with a big right hand at 168, but Ward so impressively dominated him that we can now say for sure he's a legit contender, a solid pro, and a guy with some fantastic skills. His ability to switch between orthodox and southpaw stances may well be the best in the sport. Offensively, he even seems to do better as a southpaw.
He may be among the world's 10 best at 168, but if he's not, it's no longer because of any doubts about his ability, simply that 168 is among the best divisions in the sport. I will say that I think he's a tough matchup for just about anyone.
Where can he go next? Showtime no doubt would like to position Ward for a marquee matchup. Hey, if Allan Green finds himself unable to land an opponent, that'd be a heck of a matchup to make paired with something bigger. Green is another guy that can punch, but might not get so easily discouraged so early the way Miranda did. Skills-wise, though? That one's got a Ward win all over it, and then he's even more legit.
(And yes, I know Miranda beat Green at 160, but for one thing I really believe Green wasn't at all healthy for that fight, and for another thing I truly believe Kelly Pavlik's wicked beating of Miranda took a lot out of "Pantera." If Green and Miranda fought at 168, I think Green stops him.)
Jermain Taylor fought pretty well against Carl Froch and needs an opponent. It'd be serious crossroads time for Taylor -- a loss to Ward would really plummet him, and a win against Ward would be big. Beating an undefeated gold medalist would put him back in line.
And what about Sakio Bika? Ward taking a challenge from the guy no one wants to fight would say a lot about his guts.
Right now, it's just a guessing game. But Ward acquitted himself quite nicely on Saturday, and he has earned his due propers. There's still work to do, but then again there always is, isn't there?
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nice little read sc … i went to the boards right after the fight cause i felt basically along the same lines as you. but was met with predominately negative threads and posts.
overall i was pretty impressed by how well he dealt with the early cut and the multiple facets of his game. some of the concerns of his questionable chin have been answered. i saw this fight as a real coming out party for ward into a great and pretty deep division. it made me really want to see how well ward will do in the mix and made me really believe he would give the existing top guys some real trouble when they all start meeting up. seems like this win ranks him as wbc #1 and since froch seems to be taking all comers i wouldnt mind seeing that one as well … looks like wards camp would like to throw down with bute as well, i dont know how well they would match stylistically so i dunno how much i would want that … at least not right away
Froch but not Bute
I’d like to see Ward fight Carl Froch, I think that’s a very favorable matchup for Ward. Froch’s easy to hit, isn’t fast and sets up his punches poorly. Froch is determined, but his reliance on the jab that he pushed out and held in Taylor’s face while loading up with the right won’t work like it did against Taylor. I think Ward can cruise to a UD in that fight.
Not Bute because Bute has better power than Ward with decent boxing skills. I think that style of fighter, those that can combine decent boxing with decent power are the recipe for Ward to get in trouble. He did ok with the one punch blasts from Miranda, but I’m not sold on him being hit with consecutive punches from a decent puncher. While Ward may lead Bute while he’s still uppright, I think eventually Bute lands some big shots and closes show.
Overall I really like Ward and I was impressed with the way he dealt with Miranda. But, I still think he’s a style matchup guy. He’s gotta have the right style in front of him to be successful, and that is a big punching bad boxer. I think he has a good chance against: Angulo, Pavlik, Froch. Stay away from Abraham, Bute, B-Hop. Taylor’s somewhere in the middle I wouldn’t fight him right now.
I agree with you when you say who he should fight and who he should avoid.
I see a fight with Froch going almost the same way as the Miranda fight. Froch is just to slow to hit Ward. If he wants a belt then he goes there or Karoly Balzsay (WBO), though I know nothing about him. Either way it sets up a fight with Dirrell and it would be interesting to see former Olympic teammates square off.
Ward dominated the fight, but I think it is fair to suspect his power at this point. He hit Miranda all night, every round, constantly, and say what you will about him, Miranda never even seemed phased by any of Ward’s shots, much less hurt. He kept coming (and geting hit again). I never felt a knockout was coming. And considering how many clean shots he accumulated in that fight, I think this is something to consider.
I thought there was one point (don’t recall the round) when Ward might have been able to stomp on the gas and put him away. But otherwise I think this is a fair argument. Ward’s a boxer.
by Scott Christ on May 18, 2009 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Middle/end of the 9th, maybe?
Boxing is the beginning of all sports. I'm willing to bet that the first sport was a man against another man in a fight. (Omar Epps)
just watched the Ward-Miranda fight
very good performance by Ward…agree with the other comments that he’s a boxer all the way but I like that he wasn’t afraid to go inside. Green or Froch would be good fights for him.
-Brian

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