Official Picks for This Weekend's Fights
by SC on May 28, 2009 5:06 PM EDT
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After what essentially amounted to a bye week for boxing (a few notable events, but nothing on major American TV and little major news), we come up on a weekend where we get back into the picking game with a great HBO double-header and an overseas heavyweight title fight.
Andre Berto v. Juan Urango (HBO, Saturday - Welterweights, 12 Rounds, for Berto's WBC title)
140-pound titlist Urango is coming up in weight and while he looks at first to have the frame for it, he's really going to be among the shorter 147-pounds should he stay. At 5'7" he's around Miguel Cotto's height, so it's not a total hindrance or anything, but Cotto is a body-punching tactician and a strategist. Urango does nothing but wing power shots from all four corners.
Berto (24-0, 19 KO) passed his first true test in January with a win over Luis Collazo, which was hard-fought and well-earned. Though Collazo troubled him rather greatly, Berto took advantage of every opportunity he got. When Collazo took rounds off, Berto went out and won them. When Berto thought he needed the 12th round to win the fight, he went for the knockout and dominated the final three minutes. Urango is a southpaw like Collazo, but that's the last thing they have in common in terms of fighting style.
But Urango can thump, and if Berto has one of his defensive lapses, he can be caught. If he gets caught by Urango, anything could happen. Cosme Rivera scored a flash knockdown against Berto, and Collazo wobbled him early in their fight. His chin hasn't really been tested to any great degree, and Urango is so predictable and wild that Berto might be able to just beat up on him with speed and sound technical boxing if he so chooses.
It would seem that Berto, a Florida native, would have a homecourt advantage in Hollywood, FL, but Urango has lived in that town for a while now and has fought at the building eight times. This will be Berto's first time at the Seminole Hard Rock.
This is a fight that really does promise action and could turn into a barnburner in a hurry. Berto is on the cusp of being able to realistically include his name in fight talks with the likes of Shane Mosley, Miguel Cotto and the other top welterweights. He's been on HBO several times, is a budding star with a fan-friendly style, and a loss to Urango -- who is still virtually unknown -- would be hugely damaging in the short term. I don't think Urango has what it takes to beat Berto, though. He doesn't have the size, the speed, the skill, or the huge power to get a miracle shot. I think Berto might get in trouble once or twice, but wins a fairly wide decision in an exciting fight. Berto UD
Alfredo Angulo v. Kermit Cintron (HBO, Saturday - Junior Middleweights, 12 Rounds - Non-Title)
Ah, Kermit Cintron. If you've been around long enough, you know my feelings on Cintron. They don't come from any personal feeling, though; it's merely analyzing him. And hey, I may be wrong. But if you haven't been here long, here's my scouting report: Good but overrated power, flat-footed, rather awful boxing skills despite efforts to change that, buckles badly under pressure, lacks heart, lacks character.
Again, nothin' personal. I think Juan Diaz -- a great dude with a great attitude most of the time -- lacks championship toughness, too. And if you wanna give Cintron's two losses to Antonio Margarito the benefit of the doubt, well, OK. His draw against Sergio Martinez was a gift from the judges, but Martinez is a cutie and designed to badly trouble a fighter like Cintron.
Angulo is basically a Margarito clone without the plaster, so we'll see if Cintron really belongs near the top at 154 or 147 or anywhere. He will have a fairly big reach advantage (74" to 69") on Angulo and his KO rate -- which I feel is sort of fabricated in a way -- is good enough that you do have to give his power its respect. No doubt one of his right hand bombs could hurt Angulo, who won't be moving around the ring like Martinez did. Angulo will be there for Cintron. The question is whether or not Cintron can stand up to the relentless attacks that Angulo brings. I don't think he can. I think he'll buckle. Angulo TKO-8
Nikolai Valuev v. Ruslan Chagaev (Helsinki, Saturday - Heavyweights, 12 Rounds - For the WBA title both hold)
Chagaev is the only guy to ever beat Valuev. Let's hope he does it again so that maybe this Valuev crap stops. He was so bad against Evander Holyfield that it made me never want to see him fight again despite the fact that I think he's a nice enough guy. Chagaev isn't really much more exciting, but at least his fights aren't automatically tagged with "freak show," which sounds mean because Valuev can't help that he's really tall, but he also can't help that he's really slow, powerless, and boring. Chagaev SD-12
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Urango KO7 – I think Berto will get sloppy sometime in the midrounds, and Urango’s going to catch him. Berto just doesn’t seem to have the mindset to fight a smart fight rather than to try getting into the trenches with someone who has a lot of firepower.
Angulo TKO6
Chagaev UD
Vogt early, Vogt often.
by Brickhaus on May 28, 2009 5:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh
And Chagaev isn’t the only fighter to beat Valuev. He’s just the only one who’s been able to walk out with a decision. Donald and Holyfield beat Valuev pretty clearly as well in my mind, and John Ruiz doesn’t have a bad case.
Vogt early, Vogt often.
by Brickhaus on May 28, 2009 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Urango will catch Berto and drop him
probably in the middle rounds like you said. But Berto is no pussy. He’ll get through the round and drive on to a UD. Berto 117-112
Cintron KO 4
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on May 29, 2009 4:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And I don't think there is really any question what will happen to Valuev
The Holyfield fight I honestly believe he held back. I wish he hadn’t cause I’ve never liked Holyroid and I could do with seeing him fight a prime George Foreman and be happy but aside from that Chagaev can avoid getting hit and win a lopsided decision.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on May 29, 2009 4:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
damn it
lay off the baby bull man :|
anywho
Urango TKO 10
Angulo TKO 7
Chagaev UD
The Dude Abides
by battle axe of doom on May 28, 2009 5:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
yeah I don’t put those two on the same planet.
Diaz tries to execute the proper game plan for the situation. Plus, he’s as tough as his body allows him to be. The Campbell fight showed immaturity but the Marquez fight was a different story. He got knocked out. His chin was the problem, not his heart, character, or willingness to execute a gamplan.
Your analysis here is like saying RJJ lacks character and heart compared to Alfredo Angulo because the former got KO’d. It’s physiology not Diaz’s mentality. Two different things.
by lcollins1 on May 28, 2009 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn’t even bring Angulo into it. I was just saying that it’s not my personal fan dislike of Cintron — and I do not like Cintron — that has me saying his toughness is questionable. I like Juan Diaz and I think his is, too.
I just don’t get how anyone considers it coincidence that in his two losses he got cut and went to pot almost immediately. A great fighter stopped him and a good one beat him.
by SC on May 28, 2009 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and by the way
I’m not trying to start this again. I know where everyone stands and I know many of you disagree with me. It just boggles my mind is all.
by SC on May 29, 2009 4:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he's a got great heart
I just mean you’re docking someone for having a poor chin, or a less great chin, I wasn’t really talking about Cintron, just Diaz.
How do you think Diaz ever won fights? Not a big puncher, not very good defense, not very fast. He pressures, throws a lot and wins on grit, heart. In any fight he wins, any he’s won, he only does it one way.
by lcollins1 on May 29, 2009 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How do you think Diaz ever won fights? Not a big puncher, not very good defense, not very fast. He pressures, throws a lot and wins on grit, heart. In any fight he wins, any he’s won, he only does it one way.
He’d never been in a tough fight before Campbell, which speaks a lot to his style and his immense pressure, because he’d fought some damn good fighters and made Popo Freitas (who was all washed up, but still) and Julio Diaz quit. I also really think his speed is a bit underrated. I don’t even think his chin is bad. He gets panicky. The cut with Campbell wound up taking him entirely out of his gameplan, and I gave him some benefit of the doubt for the fact that his cut man did the worst job I’d ever seen on said cut. But the Marquez cut came and he imploded again. This time it came against a great fighter instead of a good one, and he got put away.
I also question his heart and maturity still because his accusation that Campbell was on steroids in their fight never sat well with me and still doesn’t. He had no proof, but he’d lost for the first time and chose to go that route instead of being a man about the fact that he lost the fight. I don’t think he has the spirit that a guy like Marquez (just for example, there are tons of guys you could pick) does, and part of that is I don’t think he’s all that keen on being a fighter long-term. He’s got other interests in life that don’t involve getting punched in the face, and I have no problem with that.
by SC on May 29, 2009 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
as you said lets not start this again, but seriously he came out in the 9th like a warrior and tried to get back in it when he got KO’d by the better guy. absolutely NOTHING wrong with that
The Dude Abides
by battle axe of doom on May 29, 2009 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And I totally see where people are coming from there. I think the cut made him get dumb, but getting dumb can also be called being a warrior. If you look at it one way rather than the other, Arturo Gatti spent a career getting dumb.
by SC on May 29, 2009 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
this is a de ja vu thread but
he didn’t implode against Marquez. The only game-plan he has in that fight is to come forward, that’s what he did before and after the knockdown. The heart, maturity, mental toughness it takes to come on after getting KD’d is indescribable. He did it, few can. Juan Diaz’s heart is his second best asset behind his output. And frankly, those are pretty much his only two assets.
Then he got raped with an uppercut and went to sleep. Had nothing to do with a cut, had nothing to do with his heart. Again, I think your confusing mentality and physiology. Gotta move past the Campbell fight. It was one fight.
by lcollins1 on May 29, 2009 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and Marquez Diaz was probably the best fight of the year thus far.
by lcollins1 on May 29, 2009 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's up there
Either that or Dunne-Cordoba
Vogt early, Vogt often.
by Brickhaus on May 30, 2009 2:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This one for me.
Boxing is the beginning of all sports. I'm willing to bet that the first sport was a man against another man in a fight. (Omar Epps)
by Chaos100 on May 30, 2009 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Berto UD
Angulo KO 7th
Chagaev UD.
"Boxing is dirty," said Casamayor. " The day I’m not ready to be a dirty fighter is the day I don’t fight anymore because it will mean that I have no heart for it anymore."
by Zocalo on May 28, 2009 5:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Seconding this
Berto UD
Angulo KO 7
Chagaev UD
by keyz on May 28, 2009 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Picks
I felt Miranda might beat Ward for some reason, and I will not make that mistake again.
Berto UD
Angulo KO 2
Chagaev UD
I really like this Angulo guy. It seems like he has a good chin, and that is big trouble for Cintron. I think this will be ugly but fun to watch as Cintron is one of the hardest fighters to watch in the sport. Never seen a guy so boring.
by SkeedTom on May 28, 2009 6:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Say wha?
??? Cintron = boring? I guess his KO against Matthyesse was boring?? He lost to Margacheato twice and to a guy that lost to Margacheato. This fight will tell alot.
If you think he sucks thats one thing but I find it hard to say he’s a boring fighter.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on May 29, 2009 4:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stylistically, I agree with Tom
Knockouts aren’t everything. He tends to stand there and just posture for really long stretches. I would say frustrating more than boring, because I feel like he could do something if he threw punches, just he doesn’t. Kinda reminds me of that guy who won UFC last week, only not actually good at the sport he competes in.
Vogt early, Vogt often.
by Brickhaus on May 29, 2009 8:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Machida is the UFC guy
and he’s the shieeeet. Most people that hate on him are MMA fans that came from a pro wrestling background and wanna see guys stand in the center of the ring and punch each other in the face. (And who doesn’t?) But, the difference between those fans and fans that came from other combat sport backgrounds, (as for myself I’ve been watching boxing since i was 6 or 7 years old), is that fans from combat sport backgrounds generally appreciate defense also. Machida is the Floyd Mayweather of MMA minus the ego. The guy simply does NOT get hit. The reason the first round of that fight was so boring is that Evans, who has been boxing for all of 4 years lulz, fancies himself an excellent boxer and decided to counter-punch a counter-fighter. Didn’t work. Sleepy time. Good riddance. Evans was an over-hyped egomaniac turd anyways.
The only difference between him and Mayweather is that in MMA a guy that is an excellent wrestler, (gold-medal caliber Muhammed Lawal who has just started his career in japan and is absolutely DYNAMIC), or a proficient Muay Thai fighter, (Shogun Rua who Machida fights next), can clinch with him and eliminate that movement. Otherwise Machida would never lose. The stand-up striking in MMA isn’t to the level where somebody that moves as well as him would ever get hit much less hit hard enough to get KO’d. (Machida has a chin too. After one of his first fights in Japan he approached a Japanese announcer that had a problem with his family and let the guy hit him squarely in the jaw until he stopped in shame)
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on May 30, 2009 1:08 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Very well said… rec’ed
"Boxing is dirty," said Casamayor. " The day I’m not ready to be a dirty fighter is the day I don’t fight anymore because it will mean that I have no heart for it anymore."
by Zocalo on May 30, 2009 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I should clear that up...
I agree Cintron had a couple wicked knockouts in his career, but as Brickhaus points out, it’s almost like he holds back 95% of the time. I respected his power too in the past, but the guy does not USE it. I don’t know why he is so tentative, but he is ugly to watch in my opinion.
by SkeedTom on May 29, 2009 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Definitely a good explanation
and I understand what you mean now. I can see that point of view… And honestly that’s why I wanna see him use his high-caliber wrestling pedigree also and put on 4 oz gloves and just kill people in MMA.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on May 30, 2009 1:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Berto UD- Berto’s bigger than Urango, faster than him and more skilled. Eventhough Urango is a lefty, he doesn’t give himself any lefty advantages: he squares up thus depriving himself of the lefty side view advantage and he places almost no focus on footwork and having the right foot on the outside. Berto will outquick and outbox him for a competitive UD. But I think Urango has the power and the bull-like tenacity to give Berto some hairy moments.
Angulo TKO 11- Cintron is on the downslide and Angulo is too big and strong for him. Angulo will eat some flush right hands and keep chugging along and he will finish Cintron late when Kermit has nothing left.
Chagaev UD- Chagaev looked like crap against Drummond but that’s more than enough to beat Valuev. Nikolai needs to be taken into the mechanic for an oil change, a complete rewiring, something; because his robotlike stiffness has reached mindboggling levels. If he’s able to cut the ring against Chagaev once, for any length of time, I will fall off my chair in suprise.
by dervish686 on May 28, 2009 7:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
PICKS
Berto UD
Angulo TKO 10
Chagaev UD
by Full Throttle on May 28, 2009 7:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Urango KO 8
Angulo -HeadButt – 9
"Penelosa is not human." -Max Kellerman on Gerry Penelosa during the Juan Manuel Lopes-Gerry Penelosa bout.
by Sickle on May 28, 2009 9:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Urango – UD
Angulo – TKO 4
Seattle Seahawks: We've got Brian Russell and TWO kickers!
by SSreporters on May 28, 2009 10:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
No pick for Chagaev-Valuev?
Vogt early, Vogt often.
by Brickhaus on May 28, 2009 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
picks
urango vs berto – tough fight to pick. i dont particually like either fighter. i dont think either is any world beater so its anyones fight in my opinion. berto has shown me more but he seems to be getting worse and worse each fight and has poor defense so i’m going to go with:
Urango KO 10.
Angulo vs Cintron – I think im the only one whos going to pick cintron here. 2 reasons for that. one is that i want to catch up some in the rankings and two i like his power in this fight. angulo is another i think is a bit overrated and hasn’t beaten anyone yet. cintron has the good excuses for his only loses being to plaster fists. if angulo beats cintron up in this I’ll give him his props. its possible too cause cintron chin is a bit weak. I’m sticking with the underdog here and say:
Cintron KO 5
Chagaev-Valuev – good lord, another wba title fight. ugh.funny to think this belt actually meant something back in the day. the first fight was such a horrible mess of a fight much like all valuev fights and we have the honor of seeing a sequel. I think Id rather see a sequel to the flick Gigli before see another valuev fight.
chagaev is an ok fighter. hes been fighting pretty dreadful guys though so its a shame its stuck doing that and holding on to this worthless belt and fighting the wba’s dreadful contenders rather than chasing good fights. hes got some skills and pop. I think the fights pretty much a repeat of the first and my pick is going to be:
Chagaev UD
recap:
Cagaev UD
Cintron KO 5
Urango KO 10
by sonofapsycho on May 28, 2009 10:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
forgot to mention
how awesome angulo’s mustache is. I still like cintron in the fight despite the badass stash.
by sonofapsycho on May 28, 2009 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Angulo vs Cintron – I think im the only one whos going to pick cintron here. 2 reasons for that. one is that i want to catch up some in the rankings and two i like his power in this fight. angulo is another i think is a bit overrated and hasn’t beaten anyone yet.
I’m not arguing with your pick, but really who has Cintron beaten?
by SC on May 28, 2009 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
walter matthysse who was a beast as well as a top 5 guy at the time and cintron nearly killed him in 2 rounds. it took paul williams 10 rounds to take matthysse out who was the only other to defeat him at the time. matthysse was never the same after the loss. lovemore, who was a top 10 guy for years, teddy reid who was also a top 10 guy at the time. also held his own and had his moments against martinez in his last fight.
much more than anglo as ever done.
by sonofapsycho on May 29, 2009 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lovemore N’dou didn’t belong at 147. Walter Matthysse was a myth. Who had him top five at the time? He’s won one fight outside of Argentina in his career, against Xavier Tolliver. He’s been stopped four times and though the Cintron KO was highlight reel and no doubt damaging, I don’t think that’s what’s to blame on his two KO losses since then.
by SC on May 29, 2009 2:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Matthysse wasn't a top 20 guy at the time
much less top 5. Maybe in Argentina, but I didn’t see anyone hyping him up anywhere else.
Vogt early, Vogt often.
by Brickhaus on May 29, 2009 8:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol
you both have no idea what you’re talking about.
if only i had a ring magazine from the time to shove in your faces.
anyway, your blind hatred for cintron isn’t going to get you anywhere and is pointless to debate it. so i wont.
theres plenty of guys i dispise, oscar delahoya, pernell whitaker, floyd mayweather, just to name a few. i’ll dump on them but i dont have blinders on and dump on everyone they fight and their career in general just to make a point.
by sonofapsycho on May 29, 2009 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We’re discussing fighters. I’m sorry I’m not agreeing with you, but I’m also not asking you to agree with me. You end your discussion (or intend to) with “you have no idea what you’re talking about” and “lol” and “blind hatred won’t get you anywhere,” but none of that actually says anything.
Who did Matthysse beat? What has he done since? Who did Reid beat after Cintron? Who did Reid ever beat? A few pretty decent fighters. Lots of guys do that. I’m not discrediting him as a quality opponent (especially for where Cintron was at at the time), but I can’t count him as a truly good or great win. Do you disagree that 37-year old, 5’8" with a 68" reach N’dou is not really a welterweight? Or does it come down to me simply “not knowing what I’m talking about, lol”?
Anyway a quick Google search tells me Matthysse was ranked #7 by the Ring at the time. I think that’s a shitty ranking and would have thought it to be a shitty ranking then. There are Ring rankings now I’d classify as “shitty” too. The Ring’s rankings are not infallible any more than anyone else’s, including all the sanctioning bodies and Dan Rafael’s and mine and yours and Max Kellerman’s. Walter Matthysse has never done anything that makes me put that win on any higher shelf than Cintron’s wins over David Estrada (which I think might actually be his best) or Jesse Feliciano, even if Ring Magazine once foolishly ranked him in their top ten. The Ring also recently had Sergio Martinez ranked highly at 122 and I didn’t get that because he’d never beaten anyone either, and then he laid down and died against Juanma. Maybe I hate Argentinians or maybe the Ring overrates pretty, empty records sometimes.
by SC on May 29, 2009 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe he was ranked #7 by the sanctioning body
But he wasn’t ranked #7 by The Ring. This is the kind of shit internet archives were invented for.
Vogt early, Vogt often.
by Brickhaus on May 29, 2009 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
not asking for an apology
or want you to agree with me. it would be pretty damn boring if we all agreed on everything.
your previous post asked who cinton beat, i gave a list of quality fighters he has fought, all much much better quality than angulo has ever fought. you make it sound like cintron is a club fighter from toledo ohio whos made a career out of fighting guys picked from the audience or local bar when infact hes fought quality guys many of which you just posted and all again much better fighters than angulo has fought. not to mention has trained in the toughest gyms in philadelphia as well as kronk gym, places that you, i or anyone else on this board wouldn’t last half a day in. so give him his respect he deserves.
we can go back and forth about rankings at the time, its pretty pointless. everyone has their opinion and that is pretty much what rankings come down to anyway. i gave my opinions on where matthysse, teddy reid and the others where at the time.
by sonofapsycho on May 29, 2009 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We will just go back and forth and I’ll leave it where it is, but I’m going to say that I don’t care where people train. I recognize and respect the sacrifices and hard work that all pro fighters put in, but that doesn’t mean I have to like someone just because I’m not good at what they’re good at. If I think some dude at the bar is an asshole nobody goes, “He’s a way better accountant than you could EVER be! Show some love!” This mindset is sort of last bastion for people disagreeing about sports. “Kobe didn’t have a very good game.” “YOU COULDN’T DO BETTER!” So what?
by SC on May 29, 2009 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
honestly
Cintron ended Matthyesse’s career. No different than the Rock landing the 13th round bomb on Walcott.
(Not to put Cintron or his power in that same bone breaking category) Just Matthyesse was completely done after that KO.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on May 30, 2009 1:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Matthysse wasn’t very good before that is my contention.
by SC on May 30, 2009 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Matthysse and Cintron fought on 7-14-07
Here’s the Ring’s rankings from 7-5-07 (the closest archive):
http://web.archive.org/web/20070704083031/www.thering-online.com/ringpages/ratings2.html
He ALSO wasn’t ranked by the Ring before he fought Paul Williams. In case you don’t remember, Williams blew out Matthysse about a year before Cintron fought him, and Matthysse had no significant fights between the Williams fight and the Cintron fight. Here’s the Ring Rankings from May 2006, just before Paul Williams fought Matthysse:
http://web.archive.org/web/20060519165957/www.thering-online.com/ringpages/ratings2.html
So I do have an idea what I’m talking about.
Vogt early, Vogt often.
by Brickhaus on May 29, 2009 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And I wouldn't say I have blind hatred for Cintron
I just don’t like the guy. I don’t like Bernard Hopkins either, but I still rank him top 5 in my P4P list.
Vogt early, Vogt often.
by Brickhaus on May 29, 2009 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
not hard picks for this weekend, but i`m hoping for some good fights …
Berto UD
Angulo TKO 4
Chagaev UD
by 3zilla on May 29, 2009 12:07 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Dinks Picks
Berto SD
Angulo TKO 5
Chagaev UD
"..so try and listen hard before you fall in the trap, of making war, over a baseball cap" - Faithless
by dinkman on May 29, 2009 3:25 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
My Picks
Urango TKO Round 10
Cintron KO-5 (Angulo can get hit and when Cintron finds the mark WATCH OUT!)
by JasonTryp on May 29, 2009 4:01 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
My picks
Chagaev UD (wins every round against the giant, yet still only scrapes a 115-113 across the board….)
Cintron KO 7 (Gets outboxed for 5/6 rounds, but lands the money punch midway through the 7th)
Berto UD (goes down in the 10th and runs for the rest of the fight, having done enough for the decision)
Boxing is the beginning of all sports. I'm willing to bet that the first sport was a man against another man in a fight. (Omar Epps)
by Chaos100 on May 29, 2009 11:56 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Berto – TKO 6
Cintron – TKO 9
Chagaev – UD
by strike4A on May 29, 2009 12:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
4 of the last 5 picks
i think i started a cintron trend.
by sonofapsycho on May 29, 2009 12:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Cintron will not win. If he does...
I’ll squeeze in to one of my wife’s dresses and post the pic on here.
by SkeedTom on May 29, 2009 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's only a good offer if you're a lesbian....
Boxing is the beginning of all sports. I'm willing to bet that the first sport was a man against another man in a fight. (Omar Epps)
by Chaos100 on May 29, 2009 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I agree with you and all but we’re going to hold you to that.
by SC on May 29, 2009 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm holding you to that
so dont bitch out if/when it happens.
its gonna be a good fight while it lasts regardless.
by sonofapsycho on May 29, 2009 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shit… I should have called a NC given that Chagaev is always fails to show up for a fight for one reason or another.
"Boxing is dirty," said Casamayor. " The day I’m not ready to be a dirty fighter is the day I don’t fight anymore because it will mean that I have no heart for it anymore."
by Zocalo on May 29, 2009 4:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Here is an interview with Cintron….
It just doesn’t look like he wants to box by looking at his body language. He seemed just indifferent even when asked about the Margarito hand wraps.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NyDrIhqsqM
"Boxing is dirty," said Casamayor. " The day I’m not ready to be a dirty fighter is the day I don’t fight anymore because it will mean that I have no heart for it anymore."
by Zocalo on May 29, 2009 4:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He should take up MMA
Seriously. With his power and posturing (and wrestling experience), he could do some damage there. Lack of heart isn’t going to help him much there either, but it wouldn’t be as big of a hinderance when you’re only fighting for 15 minutes.
Vogt early, Vogt often.
by Brickhaus on May 29, 2009 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This
he really should consider the switch. He’s a guy that either kicks ass or gets his ass kicked. He can go out with no gloves on and try to catch somebody, survive on the ground as a high school national champ wrestler and probably do ok.
it would take some time to make the switch, but I just don’t think he’s mentally suited to the ebbs and flows of a boxing fight. He needs to dominate because he doesn’t have the mentality to deal with sustained adversity.
by lcollins1 on May 29, 2009 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If anyone in boxing can cross over to MMA it is him… why because he has legit one punch power with puny 4 ounce gloves. He also doesn’t need to starve himself to make weigh for some of the weight classes there.
"Boxing is dirty," said Casamayor. " The day I’m not ready to be a dirty fighter is the day I don’t fight anymore because it will mean that I have no heart for it anymore."
by Zocalo on May 29, 2009 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Marcus Davis made the switch pretty quick, so did Chris Lytle. But even with his weaknesses I think Cintron is a completely different level than those two guys.
by lcollins1 on May 29, 2009 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good god yes he is
Both of those guys fought nothing but cans. He would have bone crunching power in 4oz gloves. If heart is his one weak point… It would be hard to get down on yourself when everybody in the world is scared to get hit by you.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on May 30, 2009 1:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i woudn't say indeffernt
hes just not sweating it or dwelling on it. which I think is a good thing.
hes not going to accomplishing anything bitching and complaining about the fights. he said his piece and hes done with it.
by sonofapsycho on May 29, 2009 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed here. I’d be more worried if he was out there making excuses to himself that Margarito beat him only because his gloves were loaded. It certainly didn’t hurt in making Kermit wilt but Kermit was also discouraged taht he didn’t drop him when landing flush. I’m sure inside though he’s pretty pissed about it.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on May 30, 2009 1:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Berto UD 12
Angulo TKO 5
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by BLee2525 on May 29, 2009 8:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Angulo KO 7 – It will take him a while. These are two not good athletes with huge power. Difference is Angulo seems to have some mental toughness, Cintron’s a flake
I’m not calling the other one, I don’t know Urango.
by lcollins1 on May 29, 2009 11:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Urango is built like a tank and literally will never use a jab. He is one of the few guys that you say that is Tysonesque power and it carries some meaning.
"Boxing is dirty," said Casamayor. " The day I’m not ready to be a dirty fighter is the day I don’t fight anymore because it will mean that I have no heart for it anymore."
by Zocalo on May 30, 2009 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jrok? Oh Jrok? I don’t think I’ve ever managed to get my picks in after yours somehow. Here’s hoping you still favor Urango.
Anywho … first, although it doesn’t matter any more since the fight it off, I can’t believe that NO ONE went with Valuev. Don’t get me wrong. I am certainly no fan of Valuev, but a completely unanimous Chagaev vote is pretty weird, especially given Valuev’s longstanding trend in terms of bad scoring in his fights.
But that doesn’t matter anymore.
Berto UD
Angulo TKO 10
But most of all, here’s hoping for a good night of boxing. Seems like I haven’t gotten my boxing fix in a while now.
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by Matt Miller on May 30, 2009 1:53 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
picks
Berto UD
Angulo TKO6
By the way, some great back and forth earlier there on CIntron…..and I would have gone with Chagaev, that run of Valuev’s with the scoring has got to end sometime (next time, now) particularly with the stink over the latest one…
by BrianBrock on May 30, 2009 7:53 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Berto UD
Angulo KO10
I second matt’s opinion that it’s incredible that not a single person on here picked valuev to win, especially since he’s pretty much the king of the undeserved split decision. I guess he lucked into retaining his title in a different way this time
by thirdslip on May 30, 2009 12:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Berto UD
Angulo KO6
I’ve been torn like all hell about Juan Urango’s chances of pulling off the shcoking upset here, but in the end I can’t ignore the fact that he’s just going to be a glorious underdog who will test Berto’s chin, and that Berto can run if the going gets tough…. just not to the ropes, Andre…. don’t run to the ropes…
Angulo will finish Cintron as a contender tonight. Goodnight, Kerms.
Boxing fans get a split decision tonight with Valuev-Chageav. On the one hand, we win because we don’t have to watch the dignity of the storied Heavyweight Division get dragged down into the mud and aggressively spooned for twelve rounds. On the other hand, this ship of fools will now sail on for at least another year. How much you want to bet Holy gets another shot after Ruiz… that’s about -600 I think.
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
by jrok on May 30, 2009 1:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
After all that, you pick Berto anyway
Vogt early, Vogt often.
by Brickhaus on May 30, 2009 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I got to go with my head
I think I’ve been too hopeful the last couple of times out…. like picking Ward to KO Miranda, or Williams to stop Winky. My head was saying D in both cases, but I wanted to make it interesting for myself.
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
by jrok on May 30, 2009 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Angulo TKO 10
I think Angulo lands a lot of “headbutts”, enough to finally put us out of our Kermit Cintron misery. This will be an interesting litmus test for Angulo’s power. Does he blow Cintron out like Margarito? Does he just show himself to be much the better, a la Martinez? I think it is somewhere in the middle and Cintron will be stopped on accumulation late. Cintron will likely complain about the stoppage and HBO will probably trot him out on another BAD.
Berto UD 12
I think JU has a good chin and will be loading up for bombs all night and landing some effective uppercuts and hooks. That will win you enough rounds against Ngoudjo. It will win you a couple rounds against Hatton and Berto. It will not win you a title. I will always make sure to watch Urango’s fights but he will just be outworked and outlanded whenever he tries to make that next step up. Berto will win 8-9 rounds without breaking much of a sweat in this one. Since Mosley, Cotto, Clottey and Pacman aren’t going to give him the time of day, lets see a second fight with Collazo.
by BabyBull1289 on May 30, 2009 3:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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