Arum talking Pacquiao against Cotto and Chavez; Oscar tells Hatton to keep going
by SC on May 5, 2009 5:06 AM EDT
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Oscar de la Hoya, who helps promote Ricky Hatton in the United States, is urging Hatton to fight on:
"Ricky's young, Ricky still has what it takes. He can still have a bright future.
"Look, I have six losses in my career. Just because you lose, it isn't the end for you. It's about how you come back.
"When Ricky lost to Floyd Mayweather Junior, people thought it was the end. I'm sure Ricky felt a bit depressed.
"But he came back and beat Paul Malignaggi in some style. I was surprised how he beat Paul Malignaggi because I thought Paulie was going to give him trouble, but he cut straight through him.
"It's just a matter of how you come back and play it smart."
A lot of me feels the same way. Hatton was no match for Pacquiao. Fine. He also got overwhelmed by Mayweather. Fine. There are worse things in the world than not being among the absolute very best in the world at your job. Hatton could still be trouble for anyone in the 140-pound division, besides Pacquiao. I'd give him a fine shot against Timothy Bradley and all the rest.
Meanwhile, Bob Arum is talking about Manny Pacquiao's next fight, likely in November, and possibly against another Top Rank fighter: Either Miguel Cotto or Julio Cesar Chavez Jr.:
"If Chavez wins in July, they could put him against Pacquiao. That is the plan and it is serious."
Arum has indicated, though, that Cotto would be the front-runner should he get past Joshua Clottey on June 13.
A few thoughts:
- Pacquiao-Mayweather -- should Mayweather beat Marquez -- is the fight they have to make. There's so much money in that that it's not even debatable.
- Pacquiao-Cotto is a great fight if Mayweather won't take the bout, or whatever other reason.
- Pacquiao-Chavez is a joke. Chavez doesn't belong on a Pacquiao undercard, let alone in the ring with him. Chavez could be a cruiserweight and Pacquiao would eat him alive. Not even a fight. Not even clsoe. This would be Arum cashing in on Chavez's father's name for the final time and nothing more. It's a load. Seriously.
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I got a weird feeling they won’t make Mayweather-Pacquiao first for some reason..
I think it will first either be Cotto as long as he beats Clottey which surely isn’t a given or Mosley. Mayweather sure likes to take his time off between fights and after the Marquez fight he probably wont want to fight until early next year. Roach wants to keep Manny active and I’m sure Arum wants to cash in on him as much as possible. Mosley is hot off the tails of his big win over Margarito and still has a big draw.
If there was ever a chance for boxing to do something to advance the sport I would love to see them put Pacquiao’s next fight live on network TV.
by MatteoFC on May 5, 2009 5:22 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I got a weird feeling they won’t make Mayweather-Pacquiao first for some reason..
I got a weird feeling they won’t make Mayweather-Pacquaio ever – unless Floyd beats Marquez soundly and lets it get into his head.
by lhasafi on May 5, 2009 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dancing & Ducking
Mayweather will beat Marquez, then make an excuse to not fight Pacquiao. He’ll demand an insane purse split and point to his 2.5M PPV buys vs. DLH as justification. Wuss.
by steak_knife on May 5, 2009 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If there was ever a chance for boxing to do something to advance the sport I would love to see them put Pacquiao’s next fight live on network TV.
Someone at network TV would have to agree. It’s not like anyone can afford to just buy prime airtime on a Saturday like an infomercial and put boxing there.
by SC on May 5, 2009 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sure a network would be happy to do it
For a huge fight like that, but it also means that the fighters would need to take a substantial pay cut. No network is going to be willing to shell out $50 million for something where they don’t know that they’ll be able to sell more than $50 million in advertising, and $50 million is a conservative estimate of what a PPV would earn.
Vogt early, Vogt often.
by Brickhaus on May 5, 2009 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Put it immediately following the Super Bowl
viewership would be in the high hundreds of millions maybe even low billion number across the world
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on May 5, 2009 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I bet the advertising would pay for it in that case
:P
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on May 5, 2009 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The network isn't going to give up that spot
Vogt early, Vogt often.
by Brickhaus on May 5, 2009 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know what? If Arum wants to trade in JCC Jr., so be it. It should have been done at least a year ago. But, frankly I wish he’d cash him in against any just about other guy he promotes. We’ll only get to see so many Pacquiao fights in our lifetimes, and nobody really needs to see that one… least of all Chavez Sr.
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
by jrok on May 5, 2009 10:40 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Part of me wishes washed-up Oscar would come back for one fight and just kick JCC Jr’s ass. And yes I still think Oscar would take him to school any day of the week.
by SC on May 5, 2009 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oscar would royally fuck him up
It would be awesome to end the careers of both father and son
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on May 5, 2009 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
sweet fancy moses
I am disgusted by the fact that Arum is serious about Chavez Jr. Yes there is an audience, but I still think the coverage and gate for Mosley, Cotto, Mayweather or Marquez would be better for the fans and the sport.
Manny’s skill and athletic ability can help boxing, but putting him in with an opponent who would be a sparring partner at best, is all sorts of wrong.
Manny is in his prime, and there are much better opponents available.
I hope sanity prevails, but it is Arum.
by missmanners on May 5, 2009 12:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't think Chavez brings anything to the table that Pacquiao doesn't bring
Who buys Chavez PPVs? Hardcore Mexican boxing fans. Everyone who would buy a Chavez PPV would buy a Pacquiao PPV, whether or not Chavez is involved. Chavez doesn’t even have a belt to put on the line. This seems like a bluff to me, trying to create leverage where little exists. Cotto at least makes some sense.
Vogt early, Vogt often.
by Brickhaus on May 5, 2009 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
would be interesting
to see if Pacquiao exercises his rights to call the shots and have one those superfights at a catchweight rather than 147? He only weighed in at 142 for the DLH fight. Cotto/Mosley et al should be coming down a bit to him, although I don’t know how they’d boil down….
by BrianBrock on May 5, 2009 1:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Neither Cotto nor Mosley can go under 147 and I think Manny and Freddie would be comfortable essentially giving up a few pounds.
by SC on May 5, 2009 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Being too optimistic with Hatton
Hatton would be no match for Tim Bradley. The Hatton I saw on Saturday was stiff, eager to clinch, had a stationary head, had no strategy and was just throwing wild haymakers. Bradley’s speed and body work would take Hatton out within 10. I’m glad Hatton’s okay, but he’s a shot fighter and reminds me of Gatti at the end of his career.
by cyke on May 5, 2009 2:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The Hatton I saw on Saturday was stiff, eager to clinch, had a stationary head, had no strategy and was just throwing wild haymakers.
He was buzzed and desperate from basically the first right hook Pacquiao threw. I don’t think we learned the whole story on what Ricky Hatton has left from this fight, because he was only on even standing with Pacquiao for about 15 seconds. Bradley might well beat Hatton, and I wouldn’t say anyone picking Bradley is crazy or even close to it, but it’d be a big win for Bradley and a way for Hatton to test what he’s really got going for him.
Hatton-Nate Campbell could still be solid, too. Kind of make-or-break for both of them.
by SC on May 5, 2009 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hatton-Campbell makes sense for all parties involved
Hatton-Witter would make a ton of sense at this point as well. I’m not sure a Bradley fight would even make sense for Hatton from a financial perspective.
Vogt early, Vogt often.
by Brickhaus on May 5, 2009 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, if I’m Hatton and fighting on I’m looking at three guys: Campbell, which HBO would buy and is a damn good fight; Witter, which would still be big business in the UK; and Khan, if I can swallow pride and work with Warren, because that’d be crazy big.
(Y’know, if Khan can beat Kotelnik.)
by SC on May 5, 2009 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm alright with Pacquiao Chavez
Its time for Manny to get an easy fight lol The guy has been fighting champions repeatedly for like 2 years now. Give him a fight where he can have an easy camp and get mentally rested so he can refocus with 100% for Cotto or Mayweather. Let Pac fight Chavez this August just as a stay busy fight.
Plus I’m no fan of Chavez and I wouldn’t mind seeing him get absolutely destroyed
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on May 5, 2009 5:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Its time for Manny to get an easy fight lol The guy has been fighting champions repeatedly for like 2 years now.
This is not entirely true. No one on earth thought that Jorge Solis or David Diaz had a hope in hell against Pacquiao and I saw no chance for Barrera to beat him in their rematch, either, since Barrera got destroyed by him four years prior to that. Pacquiao is also the best now, and we should expect the best to fight the best. This isn’t the old days when guys fought more than two times a year at the top of the sport. “Stay busy” fights are record-padding exhibitions for the most part. Since Pacquiao has no problem fighting anyone, I say make the good fight. Chavez is a joke of an idea.
by SC on May 5, 2009 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The guy has got to be getting mentally exhausted
I think the stay busy fight would be a way for him to mentally unwind.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on May 5, 2009 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The training camps for DLH and Hatton
were some of the most grueling things i’d ever heard of. Manny’s doing 50 rounds mitts, bags and sparring a day all at that breakneck pace. I just wanna see him lose his intensity because he’s mentally ragged
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on May 5, 2009 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The intensity is also a lot of his own doing and you’re just assuming he’s mentally ragged. He might well be perfectly fine. I don’t want to see him lose his intensity; his intensity is a big reason he creamed Oscar and Hatton.
by SC on May 5, 2009 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Typo
I just DONT wanna see him lose his intensity. Exactly why he crushed Oscar and Ricky.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on May 6, 2009 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And how does a stay busy fight help him relax any more than just taking the time off?
I mean, he does all kinds of crap between fights. If anything, taking it easier for a training camp or two would just make it harder to turn up the intensity later on.
Vogt early, Vogt often.
by Brickhaus on May 5, 2009 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh God No
please dont put Julio Jr in tha ring w/ Pac-Man. I dont wanna pay $50 for a 35 second fight.
You're not foolin me Kerry Collins.
by TitanFan2K on May 5, 2009 9:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Pacquiao by unanimous destruction. Doesn’t matter who he faces … unless it’s Mayweather.
"A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on." - Sir Winston Churchill
by FlyByKnight on May 6, 2009 12:16 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
LETS GET READY TO RUMBLE
I would like to see Pacquiao vs Marquez 3. Mayweater fight Cotto,Mosley,or PWilliams, Mayweather cherry picks his opponents, he’s afraid of Cotto,Mosley and Paul Williams. If David Diaz fought Pacquiao y not let MP fight a overrated JCC Jr., at least he might fight back and not be a SISSY like Oscar De La Hoya.
Mosley also says he doesnt want to fight Clottey or Paul Williams, I think he’s SCARED, Clottey will beat Cotto!!!
by rgb on May 6, 2009 11:17 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If David Diaz fought Pacquiao y not let MP fight a overrated JCC Jr., at least he might fight back and not be a SISSY like Oscar De La Hoya.
Diaz-Pacquiao made sense at the time. Fairly soft move to 135. He crushed Diaz. Since then he’s barely taken a scratch against Oscar and Hatton. I have no interest in paying to see Manny Pacquiao obliterate JCC Jr. We all know what happens with that fight. There might NOT be a challenge for Pacquiao that he doesn’t wail on, but I’m damn sure if there it’s not Chavez.
Mosley also says he doesnt want to fight Clottey or Paul Williams, I think he’s SCARED, Clottey will beat Cotto!!!
Shane Mosley is almost 40 years old and when he fights he wants to make money. He has bluntly said as much. Joshua Clottey and Paul Williams don’t generate any.
by SC on May 6, 2009 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
pac and cotto thats the fight of the year…
by metra28 on May 17, 2009 6:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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