Bad Left Hook Fight Night: Miguel Cotto v. Joshua Clottey
by Scott Christ on Jun 13, 2009 1:08 PM EDT
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| MIGUEL COTTO WBA Titleholder Ring Magazine No. 2 (147) Ring Magazine No. 7 P4P Bad Left Hook No. 6 P4P |
JOSHUA CLOTTEY Ring Magazine No. 4 (147) |
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| 33-1 | Record | 35-2 |
| 27 | KO | 20 |
| Caguas, Puerto Rico | Hometown | Bronx, NY (Accra, Ghana) |
| 28 | Age | 32 |
| 5'7" | Height | 5'8" |
| 67" | Reach | 70" |
| Shane Mosley (UD-12) Zab Judah (TKO-11) Carlos Quintana (RTD-5) |
Notable Wins | Zab Judah (TD-9) Shamone Alvarez (UD-12) Diego Corrales (UD-10) |
| Antonio Margarito (TKO-11) | Notable Losses | Antonio Margarito (UD-12) Carlos Baldomir (DQ-11) |
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clottey’s rugged. he’s a game opponent, but like Teddy Atlas said on Friday Night Fights last night, Cotto has more options, he can bang or do more stick and move. Clottey’s gotta set to do real damage….makes me wonder if he nearly beat Margarito even with loaded gloves, which would make him a tough MFer.
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by theworldsoldestsport on Jun 13, 2009 4:02 PM EDT reply actions
John Murray vs. Scott Lawton
Just finished watching one of the undercards… the dumbest decision just happened.
First round… clash of head… fight is stopped because of to much blood flowing down from the eyebrow of the opponent and clash of heads as well. The kid that had the gash on his brow, according to British rules, lost the fight. Not even a no contest or anything. He just lost the fight. He was undefeated, now he has a lost on his record. That’s the dumbest shit I have ever heard of in boxing.
"Penelosa is not human." -Max Kellerman on Gerry Penelosa during the Juan Manuel Lopes-Gerry Penelosa bout.
The John Murray vs. Scott Lawton fight is turning into a pretty good fight though.
"Penelosa is not human." -Max Kellerman on Gerry Penelosa during the Juan Manuel Lopes-Gerry Penelosa bout.
Yeah, murray is intense. Lawton has done well not to crumble under the pressure. Seems to be pulling it back a bit now
Any idea on where Americans can see this?
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It's sort of a good thing and sort of a bad thing
But I’ve found it impossible to find streams lately.
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No Idea
its shown on the super fight channel in canada if that helps? some australian broadcaster aswell
yeah he just took over on the 6th
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For the streams
Is always good to collect the pages posted on Justin because they always appear to work outside the site for some strange reason.
"Penelosa is not human." -Max Kellerman on Gerry Penelosa during the Juan Manuel Lopes-Gerry Penelosa bout.
$
I have put a little bet on Clottey tonight. I bet Cotto in the picks so that is a conflict of interest. Just felt the odds were good on double tought Clottey. Cotto has a question mark next to his name still after Margarito. . .
Clottey is way too cheap
Honestly, I think that Cotto at his best will win handily… but there are so many “buts” here.
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
Clottey is way too che
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
Calderon fight is over
Waiting on result. Fight was stopped due to accidental headbutt. Waiting on results…
"Penelosa is not human." -Max Kellerman on Gerry Penelosa during the Juan Manuel Lopes-Gerry Penelosa bout.
Didn't see it
Was following the round by round cov. from Primerahora.com.
"Penelosa is not human." -Max Kellerman on Gerry Penelosa during the Juan Manuel Lopes-Gerry Penelosa bout.
Calderon got cut on the forehead
Same position as last time I believe.
"Penelosa is not human." -Max Kellerman on Gerry Penelosa during the Juan Manuel Lopes-Gerry Penelosa bout.
thats not good
that he is repeatedly getting cut in the same area. Lets hope he heals a little faster this time.
For some strange reason
I think the Cotto fight is gonna start at 11.
"Penelosa is not human." -Max Kellerman on Gerry Penelosa during the Juan Manuel Lopes-Gerry Penelosa bout.
Excited for this fight
So….anyone watch any of UFC 99?
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I gave
Wanderlei a 29-28 win. Thought the UD call was bull.
Cheick Kongo’s ground game is nothing short of terrible. His takedown defense is pathetic. If he had a hint of ground game in him he’d be totally unstoppable. Because he rocked Cain a couple of times standing up.
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by SSreporters on Jun 13, 2009 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Franklin-Silva was tough to call. Velasquez treating Kongo like a child on the ground was pretty wild.
by Scott Christ on Jun 13, 2009 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought Franklin won the first two rounds.
The first round could’ve gone either way as could the third round, though I thought Silva won the third.
Not a chance in hell
Franklin won round 2. I thought he was a bit hesitant in that round. He was clearly hurt by that right hand and was wobbly. There was a lot of slipping in the ring.
UFC 100 will be epic though. GSP vs. Thiago Alves has me salivating.
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by SSreporters on Jun 13, 2009 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions
GSP vs. Thiago Alves has me salivating.
The two most important fights that night are the first two on the main card. The Akiyama and Fitch fights will shape the 170 pound division.
by FlyByKnight on Jun 13, 2009 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, Franklin was wobbly in the first by that right hand,
but he got Silva with clean punching and his devastating kicks to the body.
I think Alves is going to pummel GSP into oblivion.
Hell no
GSP is far and away the best light welterweight out there. He’s so well-conditioned and fantastic with BJJ. I just watched his fight with Matt Serra (the 2nd one) and killed him with knees to the body.
Give me GSP any day.
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by SSreporters on Jun 13, 2009 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not going to dispute that,
but Alves some of the best takedown defense in MMA and he will no doubt test GSP’s chin. I don’t think GSP’s whiskers are going hold up against the power of Alves.
We'll see
Right now the Brazilians rule in just about every weight class. See what happens in July.
BTW I think you’re the same E-ROC from ArmchairGM. Your username jogged my memory.
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by SSreporters on Jun 13, 2009 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah
Sadly the site is on the ropes and some of the founders were laid off from Wikia. We’ll try and make it though.
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by SSreporters on Jun 13, 2009 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I haven't been there for a while.
College got in the way and continues to do so. Hopefully, the site makes it but I doubt. Wordpress, Google, SBN and other sites offer better exposure at this point.
i had wandy winning rounds 2 and 3
it was close though.
alves is going to give gsp fits. he has the best take down defense in the division and is the best striker. should be damn good.
plus we get to see lesner lose again which will be awesome.
by sonofapsycho on Jun 13, 2009 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions
BTW
Will the next Fight Night be Pascal/Diaconu on Versus this Friday?
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I still can't believe they gave an asshat like Joe Buck his own show
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I can't stand that pompous tool
Thankfully living up here in the Pacific NW I generally avoid Joe Buck and instead get the crappy D-teams covering the Seahawks.
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by SSreporters on Jun 13, 2009 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions
id rather have a dog
fart in my face for an half hour than watch that jerkoffs show
by sonofapsycho on Jun 13, 2009 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions
To quote a great author
Joe Buck is a hemorrhoid on the ass of middle America
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24/7 involving Mayweathers is always a good thing
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I have to say what has already been said many times over,
The Dark Knight was a damn good movie. I watched it just before the Cotto-Clottey come on.
too cheesy for my taste
horrible and silly screenplay.
heath was damn good in it though. he made it worth watching.
by sonofapsycho on Jun 13, 2009 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions
It's a little disingenuous to call Pacquiao and Marquez welterweights
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Well that keeps people believing welterweight is LOADED. It’s really not. It’s top heavy and empty after that.
by Scott Christ on Jun 13, 2009 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Just found out
Juan Diaz/Paulie Malignaggi will be shown live on HBO.
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I think...
Jim Lampley shouldn’t use the term “man love” to describe a father-son bonding moment.
by hakimdropstheball on Jun 13, 2009 10:50 PM EDT reply actions
I think Manny Steward just erroneously and boldly stated that Clottey-Corrales was at 140. It was not, of course.
It wasn't even at 147
It was at a catchweight, I want to say 149.
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It’s nice getting people that don’t know these guys a moment to see if they like them. Welcome to the new century of sports broadcasting.
by Scott Christ on Jun 13, 2009 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions
easy with the "gay"
There are a million better ways to say what you want to. Seriously.
by Scott Christ on Jun 13, 2009 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I know, it’s a real burden on you. God forbid you can’t act like an idiot.
by Scott Christ on Jun 13, 2009 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Gay means happy....;-)
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by SSreporters on Jun 13, 2009 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Thank god there's no Adelaide Byrd
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lol
always find a post ripping her during these nights.
by sonofapsycho on Jun 13, 2009 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Nah
Calderon-Mayol aired on DirectTV
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Draw due to a headbutt
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by Brent Brookhouse on Jun 13, 2009 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Ended in a draw after an accidental headbutt.
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by SSreporters on Jun 13, 2009 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions
A lot of blocking going on
Very few punches by either fighter getting through
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DOWN GOES CLOTTEY!
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WTF
Was that really a knockdown?
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Cotto-Clottey R1
Huge distracting audio buzz to start. Woo! Pro-fessional!
Cotto jabbing and now going to the body. Clottey looking for the jab, too. Cotto back to the body with a left. And there goes the buzz — nope, it’s back.
Cotto has the crowd behind him huge as expected. Clottey moving forward. Cotto with a left hook, blocked. Clottey working the jab pretty nicely this round. Cotto with a combo, pretty much all blocked with the elbows. Clottey short on a long right.
Cotto missing to the body. Really nothing getting through on either side. Cotto backs Clottey down momentarily, but Clottey comes right back. JAB AND CLOTTEY GOES DOWN! Wow — stolen round and a big one at that.
Cotto 10-8
I had Clottey winning that round until he fell over
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Perfect timing...
not a stunning punch, just perfect timing
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by Brent Brookhouse on Jun 13, 2009 11:04 PM EDT reply actions
Unless you're Kellerman
Who still thinks that was a punch that hurt him regardless of balance.
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by SSreporters on Jun 13, 2009 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Cotto-Clottey R2
Both start with tight defense again. Uppercut from Clottey. Cotto shooting a jab, but Clottey is all over it with his D. Cotto to the body with the left hook. Another uppercut by Clottey sneaks through. He’s winning this round, too.
Jab by Clottey. And another. Long right glances, but lands. Left hook by Cotto gets past the D as Clottey throws an uppercut at the same time. Cotto takes a right throwing a left hook. Clinches up now as Clottey charges.
Clottey 10-9
Cotto 19-18
Same as the others
Clottey round, close though
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Joe Buck Live
Has Michael Irvin and Chad Ochocinco as guests. Paul Rudd also.
Is he trying to win a record for most douchebags ever invited to a show?
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yes
Someone near the cams has an overpowered cell or something.
by Scott Christ on Jun 13, 2009 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions
are you in HD?
I’m wondering if that’s the difference.
by Scott Christ on Jun 13, 2009 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Well what the fuck. I changed channels to see if that was it, but it’s just HBO HD for me. Weird.
by Scott Christ on Jun 13, 2009 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Anyone
Want to tell Clottey that there is more to boxing than a short left uppercut?
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Headbutt
Oh crap. Cotto is cut.
28-28 Even
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Cotto-Clottey R3
Clottey unloading with a nice combination, working to the body nicely. So far Clottey has really been the better fighter. Cotto backs him down a hair, but it doesn’t last. Cotto cannot break his defense. Clottey using the left uppercut nicely. Clottey staying tight with the defense. Clottey thumbs Cotto in the eye? And there’s blood over his left eye.
Clottey 10-9
28-28
We’ve got the makings of an interesting fight right now.
There is no way
This is going the distance now.
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That's a pretty nasty one
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he's winning this fight fairly handily
Without the KD I’d have him up 3-0 right now.
by Scott Christ on Jun 13, 2009 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions
How huge could that knockdown be if we go past round 4?
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29-27 Cotto? What fight are you watching, Harold?
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I think he was trying to shake blood out of his eye
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Cotto can't see
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Cotto-Clottey R4
Clottey with some sharp shots to start the round. Clottey’s defense so far is just excellent. Cotto ducks down as he does, I think, when he feels a bit threatened. Cotto knows that cut is bad. And they’re going now, boy!
Cotto going to the body. Clottey firing back! Left hook to the body and an uppercut! Cotto wiping the blood away. Big shot by Cotto! That cut is REALLY bothering him, though. Clearly so.
Cotto attacking the defense, making Clottey work. Clottey with a right. And another! They’re trading nicely and both are landing hard shots. Cotto cannot see Clottey’s right hand. This is just a fucking shame. Crowd is awesome, though.
Cotto with a combo. Clottey fires but Cotto’s already gone. He’s going to need to get back. Left hook by Cotto! Hell of a round. Cotto is a man’s man.
Cotto 10-9
Cotto 38-37
Close round goes to Cotto for that late flurry
38-37 Cotto
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i dont see these punches landing by cotto
lampley is talking about. clotty is blocking everything well.
He's landing moer behind the gloves now
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He always does that
He’s like Ike Quartey.
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by SSreporters on Jun 13, 2009 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Cotto won about 2:45 of that round
But the :15 seconds where Clottey looked good he did more damage than Cotto did the rest of the round.
Cotto, but it’s close.
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WTF
Cotto just dropkicked Clottey
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Clottey is down at the 45 yard line!
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Telling Clotty to try walking it off like a champ. He is giving him every chance and trying to keep him going
Cotto should’ve been docked. That was garbage.
by Scott Christ on Jun 13, 2009 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed
That’s a borderline DQ move. It looked completely intentional to me.
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It's Mercante Jr.
But he sounds like a parent.
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by SSreporters on Jun 13, 2009 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Cotto-Clottey R5
Cotto firing, Clottey blocking. Cotto glances a left hook. HUGE right from Clottey, very nice. And another. That right hand is deadly now. Cotto’s vision is terrible on that side. Right hand again by Clottey. Cotto is pawing at that cut and it’s really hurting him in there. Jab by Clottey lands. Another right lands. That one misses. Cotto THROWS CLOTTEY! Clottey came right at him and Cotto bsically slammed him. What the fuck — Clottey’s hurt.
This is fucking cheap — Cotto has had these moments before but that was fucking cheap. Seriously. That’s chickenshit garbage. Arthur Mercante Jr. needs to referee this and not go “You’re a champ! Walk it off!”
That’d be a nice time to dock a fucking point. “I know you slipped!” What? He got fucking slammed.
So Clottey’s taking a moment. Whatever. That should’ve been a point. It was crap.
Clottey coming forward, and now they trade body shots. This is getting mean> Clottey REALLY winging near the bell.
I have no idea how to score that one. Honestly.
47-47
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Worst cut I've ever seen not at least get checked by a doc
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by Brent Brookhouse on Jun 13, 2009 11:22 PM EDT reply actions
Clottey may be hurt
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Hard to fight when your knee hurts...
Clottey was saying his knee hurt…that is a real factor
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by Brent Brookhouse on Jun 13, 2009 11:24 PM EDT reply actions
What. A. Fight.
57-56 Cotto
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Dominant round for Cotto
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Cotto-Clottey R6
Here we go now. Cotto with a left hook and a straight right. And he’s pressing! Clottey standing still and getting hit. Defense is still good, but Cotto’s amping it up. He goes southpaw. And he’s digging at Clottey in the corner! Clottey firing back with a nice left! THEY’RE GOING AT IT NOW! Good hard fighting in the corner! Cotto firing, Clottey blocking really well but still getting hit some.
Cotto with a left hook and a right hand, just gets through. Clottey getting hit hard — big uppercut! Clottey misses a right hand! Cotto REALLY opening up! Clottey is TRAPPED in the corner. Cotto backs down, and then drives him back to the corner! It’s an assault.
Big left by Cotto! Clottey throwing back! I’ll tell you — Clottey’s mobility is REALLY gone. He’s just accepting his spot in the corner. That knee has to hurt.
CLOTTEY FIRES BACK WITH A RIGHT! Jesus, that was a tough fucking round. My God.
Cotto 10-9
Cotto 57-56
Cotto is getting hurt by these shots. One-sided round.
66-66 Even.
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Big comeback round for Clottey
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Cotto-Clottey R7
Cotto with a left uppercut. Cotto really taking control of the fight right now, and I don’t know how much Clottey hurting from that slip/throw has to do with it. Cotto with four unanswered punches, two land. Clottey moving better this round for sure, but getting outpunched now. Clottey with a combo ended with a nice right hand. And another big right. Clottey hurting Miguel somewhat, but Cotto getting out of danger. Clottey is the one pressuring now. Clottey REALLY opening up now. Another big right, and he takes this round fairly handily. Cotto fires hard near the bell. This is a hell of a fight.
Clottey 10-9
66-66
Yeah...
I don’t want a stoppage…but I can’t believe that the ref hasn’t said “go have a look”
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by Brent Brookhouse on Jun 13, 2009 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Did he?
I missed that
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by Brent Brookhouse on Jun 13, 2009 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions
That cut really looks awful
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"I've never seen a fighter so badly bothered by a cut..."
How about Juan Diaz vs. Nate Campbell?
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Margarito fight all over again.
They may need to stop this the way Cotto is getting battered with punches landing directly on that cut.
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Still not as bad as:
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by Brent Brookhouse on Jun 13, 2009 11:32 PM EDT reply actions
There certainly have been worse
Just usually they stop the fight if someone’s clearly so affected by it. Barrera vs. Khan was worse recently, for instance.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Jun 13, 2009 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Cotto-Clottey R8
Nice inside shots by Clottey. Cotto pressing him to the ropes again. Clottey fires off. Cotto is putting himself on the ropes now, which doomed him (controversial or not) against Margarito. Clottey nearly slips on the Tecate logo again. Cotto getting lambasted with uppercuts and rights. Another right gets through. Cotto’s hurting — and he just grabbed his eye that isn’t cut there.
Cotto now UNLOADING IN THE CORNER! And Clottey comes out shaking his head like a badass. This fight is not for the weak. Another Clottey round for me.
Clottey 10-9
Clottey 76-75
There's the doctor
76-75 Clottey
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Cotto-Clottey R9
Clottey stalking early in the round. Cotto moving backward, not doing much. Clottey right lands again. Clottey misses a big right with Cotto moving in too close. Clottey still chasing Cotto around the ring. Cotto coming forward with 40 seconds left, but not finding much. Now he’s punching! Clottey backs off, resets at mid-ring. Cotto’s just not breaking the defense enough to win these rounds, I don’t think. Clottey landed better shots this round. They get tangled up near the bell, and they end it throwing leather. This might be slipping away from Miguel Cotto.
Clottey 10-9
Clottey 86-84
Just like the Margarito fight
Albeit pointless here, Cotto has stopped going to he body. He’s head hunting.
86-84 Clottey
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If Cotto loses this
I think he’s in trouble as far as landing another big title fight in the near future.
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His audience makes him a cash cow. He’ll take a tune-up fight, bounce back with a win, and find a big fight.
by Scott Christ on Jun 13, 2009 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Cotto's first true loss is nearing.
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Cotto-Clottey R10
Clottey chasing Miguel around again for the first half of the round. Cotto is just not in this fight right now. Lampley thinks Clottey is slowing, I think Cotto is just staying the hell away more than before. Clottey with a few shots. Round is winnable for either with 40 seconds to go. Clottey with a left hook, blocked. And they throw HUGE leather near the end of the round again. Tough, tough round to score. I’m going with Cotto.
Cotto 10-9
Clottey 95-94
Clear Cotto round
And it was a clear Cotto round before the last 10 seconds. Clottey maybe landed 3 punches that round.
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How could you possibly score that round for Clottey?
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He spent much of the round avoiding Clottey until the final seconds until he unloaded.
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by SSreporters on Jun 13, 2009 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions
But he was the one who was landing punches all round
There’s an argument he won that round on ring generalship alone though
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Lampley is a bit too excited for any possible Cotto punch landing.
It'll be just you, me, and Peter Nincompoop.
He was so biased towards him in the Margarito fight.
Andy Reid is the only coach in NFL history that uses the pass to set up the pass.
by SSreporters on Jun 13, 2009 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions
It will come to the 12th
Cotto is clearly winning this round as well.
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if it goes to the cards...
Cotto wins.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Jun 13, 2009 11:45 PM EDT reply actions
Cotto-Clottey R11
Kellerman sounds at points like he’s about to cry.
Clottey with some shots. Cotto with a combo, doesn’t look like there’s much on it, but he’s just trying to get to the cards and win the rounds. Clottey really has slowed down now. This round and the last. Cotto backs Clottey down, then moves back. He’s trying to pick and peck. It’s a decent strategy at this point. He needs rounds.
Clottey with a right, but not enough to win the round. They end it throwing again.
Cotto 10-9
104-104
Cotto round
In for one epic 12th round.
105-103 Clottey
Andy Reid is the only coach in NFL history that uses the pass to set up the pass.
I'll throw furniture at the TV if this is a draw.
Andy Reid is the only coach in NFL history that uses the pass to set up the pass.
Clottey needs to stop with the bouts of inactivity.
Its probably killing him in this fight.
"It's his fight to win and he's throwing it away." - My dad on Joshua Clottey
Andy Reid is the only coach in NFL history that uses the pass to set up the pass.
That looked like an international hit behind the head.
This fight has everything.
Andy Reid is the only coach in NFL history that uses the pass to set up the pass.
Clottey turned
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clottey is whining like a bitch
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Flip the script, I’m not sure Mercante would treat Cotto like this.
It'll be just you, me, and Peter Nincompoop.
That sounds like a conspiracy theory to me
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
I’m actually pretty sure it’d be the same.
by Scott Christ on Jun 13, 2009 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Cotto-Clottey R12
Big rights from both. They’re out to win the round. Cotto on the ropes, moving around the ring. Clottey pressuring but not throwing. Now he does, Cotto lets his hands go, too, and they’re at a stalemate. Neither landing big thus far. Both are throwing a lot at the same time. Mercante fixes Clottey’s glove tape, back to action.
Cotto goes southpaw. Left hand lands. Cotto hits Clottey in the back of the head — total accident, and Mercante looks pissed that it happened.
Time called. No point taken. Good referee job there.
Clottey bitching about getting hit low now. I dunno — Clottey looks like he’s trying to find a point now.
No point again. Good call again.
Cotto staying southpaw. Clottey chasing, not throwing, not landing. Clottey needs something big now. 30 seconds left. This is Cotto’s round.
Cotto with five punches. Zero from Clottey. Cotto dances, gets on the ropes. Left hand Cotto, and a right from Clottey. Bell sounds. Tough, rough fight. Cotto wins on my card.
Cotto 10-9
Cotto 114-113
Fantastic fight with twists and turns galore.
If Clottey loses this fight it’s because of his inactivity.
114-113C Clottey
I have a feeling though Cotto will win by SD.
Andy Reid is the only coach in NFL history that uses the pass to set up the pass.
I got Cotto by 1
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
I still think the takedown was intentional though
And I still feel like he should have been deducted a point for that.
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I actually agree with Harold on this one.
six rounds apiece, but the knockdown makes the difference.
by hakimdropstheball on Jun 13, 2009 11:52 PM EDT reply actions
rematch
either way in my eyes
but i have clottey winning
the rounds he won were clear.. coto won close rounds
"After this, I'm gonna kick Bob Arum's ass."
-George Lopez
by Eddie Gonzalez on Jun 13, 2009 11:53 PM EDT reply actions
he did
the round were clottey was stuck in the corner
if clottey loses its cuz of the 12th and the knockout
"After this, I'm gonna kick Bob Arum's ass."
-George Lopez
by Eddie Gonzalez on Jun 13, 2009 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Can they take any longer?
I hope the judges ain’t f^cking sh!t up.
Horrible score
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COTTO-CLOTTEY OFFICIAL DECISION
116-111 Cotto
114-113 Clottey
115-112 Cotto
MIGUEL COTTO VIA SPLIT DECISION
116-111 is an indefensible score
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wow… this is why i hate boxing sometimes… clottey got fucked over by that judge… 116-111???? really?!!?bullshit
"After this, I'm gonna kick Bob Arum's ass."
-George Lopez
by Eddie Gonzalez on Jun 13, 2009 11:56 PM EDT reply actions
My $0.02
The specifics were shady, but does anyone think Cotto by split decision is a bad outcome for this fight?
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nope
I hate the 116-111 score, but I think the right guy won.
by Scott Christ on Jun 13, 2009 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I know the 116-111 is ridiculous, but
Clottey’s inactivity cost him this fight. The fight was there for the taking and he just didn’t throw enough leather.
116-111 is an abomination.
Hell, I was ROOTING for Cotto, but even I thought Clottey won enough rounds to maybe—MAYBE—win the fight, and I wouldn’t have really complained. This was a great fight tainted by piss poor scoring.
I want to see an immediate rematch. To hell with waiting for Mayweather to duck either of these guys. BOTH men would fucking haunt Mayweather.
by hakimdropstheball on Jun 13, 2009 11:59 PM EDT reply actions
I scored it heavy for Clottey. Had Cotto only taking 4 rounds to go along with his extra point.
Terrible decision, I think.
One thing that pisses me off even more, though, is Jim Lampley telling everyone what he thinks we should think. His Cotto fanboyism was absurd throughout the fight; never been this irritated by him. I get the whole HBO fighters getting the extra love, but it was ridiculous tonight. He was practically telling everyone that Cotto was the winner of the fight during the last two rounds. How about keeping that stuff to yourself and just call the action, pal.
this has been going on for years at hbo
especially during the oscar years.
by sonofapsycho on Jun 14, 2009 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Not to mention Cotto tossing him to the ground as if it were a wrestling match. That was no accident.
More reason to "love Lamp"ley...
“Miguel Cotto won with his humanity.”
WTF?
by hakimdropstheball on Jun 14, 2009 12:04 AM EDT reply actions
har-har-har...
Well played, sir. Lampley needs to tone down the rhetoric with the “George Will Sports Machine.” If I want head scratching, mind numbing, overly poetic analysis for boxing, I’ll tune in to Larry Merchant.
by hakimdropstheball on Jun 14, 2009 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Keep telling yourself that
Half the people in here scored it for Cotto
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
I thought Clottey won. He consistently landed the cleaner punches. I could see 6-6 though… the judge who scored it 8-4 should not be judging boxing. That’s appalling.
I can even see the 7-5 score if you score every close round for Cotto
But Clottey has nobody to blame but himself. He gave away rounds 10, 11 and 12.
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
How's that?
Do you understand how boxing scoring works?
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Where does the extra point disappear from?
You can’t have a draw with an odd number.
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Do you? Is there a reason for that kind of answer? He was speaking generally, not with regard to the actual scores, it seemed. “I can see.”
It'll be just you, me, and Peter Nincompoop.
There's no way for it to be a draw with the knockdown. There just isn't
Unless you score a 10-10 round, and since you’re not SUPPOSED to score a 10-10 round, you can’t say you could see a draw but not a win.
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
First of all, there are plenty of 10-10 rounds. Sometimes, there really isn’t a clear winner. Second, there should have been a point taken from Cotto anyway.
It'll be just you, me, and Peter Nincompoop.
You don't get it, and I need to walk my dog, so I'm not going to bother arguing
But if you think about it for 15 seconds, you’ll see that what he said made no sense. Sure, there are 10-10 rounds, but if you can see a round being scored 10-10, then you could see it being scored 10-9 either way as well.
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
I don’t get it? I believe I do. a draw is possible even with one knockdown. YOU don’t seem to get it.
It'll be just you, me, and Peter Nincompoop.
OF COURSE IT'S POSSIBLE
But IF you can see it as a draw, then you HAVE to be able to see it as a 1 point win as well, since you can’t expect that everyone would score that round 10-10
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
You can't assess your own deductions
If the ref didn’t duck it, it didn’t happen. I thought Cotto should have been docked a point, but it wasn’t called, so I can’t do it on my scorecard. Them’s the rules.
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Its not that rare
I don’t like 10-10 rounds (or, hell “9-9” rounds, which also happen). But they happen. Beastmode has a point hear… if you score a round 10-10, well, that’s how you score it. The judges are also scoring in real-time, and so do I. I don’t take into account replays… or booth analysis… so, drawn rounds happen.
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-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
Hmmm...
It seems to me that the unattached commentors seem to think it was an extremely close bout that could have gone either way; I’m not sure how anyone could be upset about a split decision in this fight… if the cards were 114-113 Cotto, 114-113 Clottey and 114-113 Cotto, would people still be this upset? And if not, then why do the particulars seem to matter so much as far as the overal outcome is concerned?
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Horrible judging matters to every boxing fan IMO
by Full Throttle on Jun 14, 2009 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Sure.
But that doesn’t change the fact that at very least the overall outcome of the fight was reasonable. From my time following boxing, that’s something to be celebrated. Don’t you agree?
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"The tree of victory must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of quarterbacks and coaches". ~ Thomas Jefferson-ish
Yeah it was reasonable, especially when you remember that the judges are looking at something totally different from what we see. But still
by Full Throttle on Jun 14, 2009 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions
I’d be upset if those were the scores.
Cotto didn’t land nearly enough clean shots to take more than 4 rounds, in my eyes. Lots of flurries but not too much really breaking through Clottey’s defense, outside of those 4 rounds.
by a tommy point on Jun 14, 2009 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Outlier.
You seem to be an outlier. Not quite as bad as the 116-111 judge, but giving Cotto 112 points seems to be the lowest he’d get out of those commenting here…
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"The tree of victory must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of quarterbacks and coaches". ~ Thomas Jefferson-ish
I tend not to score for work-rate. Land clean punches and I’ll give the rounds to ya. Cotto did very little of that, in my eyes. As someone mentioned below, Clottey threw less but landed 11% more. If that’s an extreme view of this fight, so be it.
by a tommy point on Jun 14, 2009 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Total Stats.
Almost everyone here seems to agree that Clottey did next to nothing in the final three rounds of the fight. Judging by the fact that he was winning the fight early on in the view of most, it’s not surprising that the total stats are still skewed by his earlier work rate. Clottey won his rounds bigger than Cotto won his, but in the end, a round is still a round. I agree with those that believe that this was a won point win either way, so I have no problem with Cotto winning by split decision. I hope there’s a rematch, because it’s been earned.
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"The tree of victory must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of quarterbacks and coaches". ~ Thomas Jefferson-ish
I saw Cotto on his horse running for the hills those last 3 rounds. Throw a hook, run away, throw a hook, run away. When Clottey could finally cut him off, there was solid punches be landed most of the time. Though, those encounters didn’t last terribly long.
by a tommy point on Jun 14, 2009 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Though, I did give Cotto the last round.
by a tommy point on Jun 14, 2009 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Which 4 did you give him?
1, 4, and 6 could not have defensibly been scored for Clottey. I also don’t think you could have defensibly scored more than 1 of the last 3 rounds for Clottey. I understand not wanting to reward work rate for the sake of work rate, but Clottey did virtually nothing in the last 3 rounds, and I can’t see scoring more than 1 in his favor unless you’re looking for rounds to give him.
"Karma - there it was. The meaning of life, straight from Carson Daly's lips to my morphine-laced ears." -Earl Hickey
As a matter of fact, I gave Cotto rounds 1, 4, 6, and 12.
by a tommy point on Jun 14, 2009 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions
I guess that's a defensible card.
I think rounds 3, 10, and 11 were close, as well. Giving 2 of them to Cotto is no less defensible than giving all 3 of them to Clottey (as you did). Clottey dominated rounds 2, 5, 7, 8 and 9, but just didn’t do enough in the Championship rounds to overcome the knockdown.
"Karma - there it was. The meaning of life, straight from Carson Daly's lips to my morphine-laced ears." -Earl Hickey
A very good fight between Miguel Cotto and Joshua Clottey. I disagree with the decision but I won’t quarrel with it. I do protest the first judge scoring the fight 116-111 in favor of Cotto (I had it 114-113 in favor of Clottey). Clottey threw less punches, yet landed 11% more. That judge must’ve been “enchanted” by the mostly pro-Cotto crowd to give such a ridiculous score.
I will say Clottey did himself no favors by his inactivity in the last 2 rounds. Here’s hoping for a rematch.
Aside from the knockdown....
And rounds 4 and 6, which were clear Cotto Rounds. And the last 3, where Clottey just didn’t do much. But, yeah, other than the half of the fight that Cotto dominated, Clottey dominated.
"Karma - there it was. The meaning of life, straight from Carson Daly's lips to my morphine-laced ears." -Earl Hickey
I had Cotto winning close. Bottom line, Clottey didn’t do enough to win the fight in the final rounds.
Besides that, I thought Clottey acted like a bitch on several occasions, especially down the stretch. He acted like he got hurt to the back of the head, he acted like he hurt low, he acted like his knee was hurt. A man doesn’t deserve to take a title, even an IBO title acting like that.
People seem to be going overboard with the 116-111 card. It was poor judging, but it was nowhere near the level of some cards. Boxing, even at the highest level, is appallingly judged, to the point where it seems inconceivable that nothing is done about it. The current system doesn’t work at all.
I scored the fight 114-113 Cotto, and feel that Clottey should blame himself before anybody else, as he had the fight at his mercy in the late rounds, and never went after Cotto. I was urging him to let his hands go in the twelfth, but he stuck to the original gameplan throughout, and his defence-heavy, low (but accurate) output style was always going to open the door for a Cotto decision
Clottey clearly won 5 rounds, Cotto clearly won 4 and had the knockdown
Seriously, people are blowing it way out of proportion.
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
So basically, whoever won more of the three close rounds won the fight
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Is there a reason you are so appalled with people on your site thinking the decision was bad? I find it odd you can’t understand their perspective.
It'll be just you, me, and Peter Nincompoop.
I can understand their perspective
But it’s not a “robbery” unless there isn’t a reasonable way to score the fight for the other fighter. If it’s a close fight, you can’t get too mad if the one you think won actually lost.
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
You are wrong to think that there aren't rounds that can be honesty called a draw
I’m sorry, but there are. When ou are scoring on the fly, withouth the aid of the TV, there are plenty of rounds that can go both ways.
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
Just my fingers are drunk
I swear!
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
That wasn't what I was saying
What I was saying is that if you can score a round a draw, then you have to reasonably anticipate that others wouldn’t score it a draw, since draw rounds are discouraged.
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
You are right about that.
And if I have drawn rounds, I give those up to the judges… even the bad ones.
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
Fair.
I’d say this was an extremely close fight that could have gone either way. Considering that Cotto was the champ and fighting on basically home turf, it’s no surprise that the decision went his way. What is surprising is that Clottey’s corner didn’t take all this into consideration. I would hope for a rematch, hopefully on more neutral ground, because it’s been earned.
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The stats speak for themselves, and yes I realize that boxing is a round by round situation. Almost 45 more shots landed, and a 11% higher connect rate. No way a knockdown makes up for that. Clottey was never in danger or hurt.
That's not how boxing scoring works.
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
I’m not so sure all that many judges realize how boxing scoring works these days.
by a tommy point on Jun 14, 2009 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions
If Clottey throws punches in the last three rounds, he wins the fight
The rounds he won, he won more dominantly than the rounds Cotto won, but at the end, one round is still just one point.
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
god i hate cotto, but even i knew he won the damnedable fight after clottey’s poor performance during the “championship rounds”
btw that “knockdown” was clearly a result of clottey being out of position. the hbo crew were making it seem as if clottey was near death after that jab
The Dude Abides
by battle axe of doom on Jun 14, 2009 12:28 AM EDT reply actions
anyone watch the calderon fight on box azteca? was it worth the watch?
The Dude Abides
by battle axe of doom on Jun 14, 2009 12:45 AM EDT reply actions
48 year old fat boxer KOs prime MMA fighter in 10 seconds
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
Sylvia was fat, too. Let’s not make this out like it’s some momentous victory for boxing. They both stink.
by Scott Christ on Jun 14, 2009 12:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Its an "ignominious" victory
Or maybe even a “Pyrrhic” victory… not at all momentous. But it is evidence of something that has been pretty clear to me for a long time.
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
Kimbo Slice actually submitted Mercer a few years ago in an MMA match. Kimbo Slice…
If you ignore this one, we’ll continue to ignore that train wreck, too.
by a tommy point on Jun 14, 2009 1:10 AM EDT up reply actions
No chance
So you want us to ignore the fact that Ray Mercer… an ancient, overweight, minor boxing beltholder… housed and humbled two big-name MMA contenders in short order? Can;t really ignore that.
Look… MMA guys are trying to start a sport, and I respect that. But they aren’t really professional fighters yet. It’s obvious that they are mostly bored middle-class guys who don’t have the established waypoints that boxers do. They will need a few generations to cook.
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
Just wait until Roy Jones Jr. makes his MMA debut. We shall show you no quarter now.
You have been marked, good sir.
by a tommy point on Jun 14, 2009 1:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Who me?
OK. But, to be fair, I don’t even think RJJ should be boxing anymore…… too dangerous. Still, Roy Jones Senior Citizen might do okay in “MMA” though…. is Kimbo Slice available?
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
Common… MMA are professional fighters… It is the Nascar to our Cart racing…
"Boxing is dirty," said Casamayor. " The day I’m not ready to be a dirty fighter is the day I don’t fight anymore because it will mean that I have no heart for it anymore."
I wish I knew enough about “NASCAR” or “Cart Racing” to answer that, but I don’t. MMAs aren’t pros, though… I saw one who was a high school chem teacher… they need time to cook in the crucible.
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
Quick summary.
Nascar…. new kid on the block and new form of racing
old school racing… open wheels and much more dangerous
Some people are just Nascar fans, just are just open cart racing… but are racing
MMA and boxing are combat sports… see where I am getting at?
"Boxing is dirty," said Casamayor. " The day I’m not ready to be a dirty fighter is the day I don’t fight anymore because it will mean that I have no heart for it anymore."
Sort of, Zocalo. And I don’t mind that some people are MMA fans. I don’t mind that some people like to watch “Jon and Kate plus 8” either. To each his own.
I watched my brother play National League Rugby down at Pier 40 last night… I can’t say there’s much I understood about the game, though I was able to pick up some things just by watching (imagine American Football with 6 downs, no foraward passing and pooch kicking.) MMA is the same way for me… I understand a lot of what is going on, but the glaring errors are what stand out to me the most.
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
same here brotha. the whole wrestling aspect of MMA is just absolutely boring to me, and when they do punch they unleash some of the most awful looking punches the universe has ever seen
The Dude Abides
by battle axe of doom on Jun 14, 2009 2:28 AM EDT up reply actions
He got caught by a flush shot by a guy who has worn 10 ounce gloves all his life… so we need to keep than into perspective. You give someone with Mercer power a chance to connect… most if not all fighters would go down with those puny 4 ounce gloves.
"Boxing is dirty," said Casamayor. " The day I’m not ready to be a dirty fighter is the day I don’t fight anymore because it will mean that I have no heart for it anymore."
I do believe SC said somewhere that Silvia would outlast him in a Mercer fight… SC said he could go about ten seconds I think.
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
yeah
I guess I was wrong. I mean I probably would’ve turtled and not thrown a kick or anything. I probably go over 10 seconds.
by Scott Christ on Jun 14, 2009 1:48 AM EDT up reply actions
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