Robberies and Scoring Fallacies
What is a robbery in boxing? Here's a hint - it's not a decision that you merely disagree with. It's a decision that is impossible; that there's no reasonable way the judges could have scored the fight in favor of the fighter who actually won. So how is it that someone can determine whether a fight is actually a robbery?
Under the unified rules of boxing, judges are instructed to judge rounds on four bases:
- Clean and hard punching. This isn't amateur boxing, where they just add up the number of punches that landed. Pitty pat jabs that barely land don't count for much. This means that someone can land more punches and still lose the round simply because the other fighter landed the hard, aggressive punches. There are rounds where one fighter has landed small punches all round, and the other fighter wins off of one punch, simply because the single punch knocks the fighter off balance. And you know what - that's exactly how it should be scored.
- Effective aggressiveness. American judges tend to reward aggressiveness generally, but a lot of people forget that what scores is effective aggressiveness, not naked aggression alone. Coming forward is great, but if the other fighter is making the aggressive fighter miss and look silly, then it's not really effective at all, and they should get little credit for the fact that they're moving forward.
- Defense. In reality, you don't see this come too much into play when people score rounds, but officially you're supposed to look at it. Legend has it that Willie Pep once won a round without ever throwing a punch. If the other fighter is chasing someone around the ring and misses every time, they're not being effective, and the other fighter should be given credit for good defense.
- Ring generalship. This is for the boxer who was able to force the other fighter into fighting their fight. This is sort of a BS catch-all, like when people talk about 'intangibles' in other sports. There really isn't a good way of measuring ring generalship, so a lot of folks just ignore it. Unfortunately, I feel like some judges use this as an excuse to score a round a certain way when there really isn't a defensible way of scoring the round the way they score it.
Notice a few things the judges aren't supposed to look at - volume of punches, accuracy of punches landed, whether someone fought dirty, whether someone looked beat up. Those things can play into the four things that a judge is supposed to look at, but it's by no means a proxy for determining who won the fight.
As for scoring itself, judges are instructed to try to score a round for one fighter or the other. They're allowed to score a 10-10 round, but it's discouraged unless they think it was absolutely dead even. Also, judges aren't allowed to assess their own penalties or call their own knockdowns, and they're not allowed to ignore the ones actually assessed by the referee. A bad deduction must be take by all three judges, whether they like it or not, and a non-deduction cannot become a deduction. It's just not part of a judge's job to make those calls.
Here's a few examples of the arguments I see when people try to back up that their fighter was robbed. If you think about it, and look at how boxing is actually supposed to be scored, it becomes clear that none of these is a valid argument.
Scoring fallacy #1 - "Fighter A can't have won, he got beat up, and Fighter B looked like he just walked out of the shower."
Real-life non-robbery example: Kessler-Andrade. This argument is so silly when you think of how many times a clear winner has looked worse for wear than the loser, yet the argument comes up again and again. The fact is, some guys just get more beat up looking than others in a boxing match. Arturo Gatti and Vito Antuofermo would probably get cut from someone else's stubble rubbing against him, yet they won their fair share of fights when they looked like murder victims at the end of the fight. Also, even if someone takes a real licking in one round, that's still one round. If they go on to win the other 11 rounds, then it's a blowout win, and there's just no argument that can be made that the more beat up boxer won the fight.
Scoring fallacy #2 - "Fighter A landed more punches and had a better connect rate, so he has to have won."
Real-life non-robbery example: Cotto-Clottey. This argument completely ignores the facts that (a) boxing is scored by round, not by the whole fight and (b) judges aren't supposed to score based on punches landed and accuracy. There have been many fights where this has happened and people have screamed robbery, yet in most cases it was actually just a close fight, because one fighter won 4 or 5 rounds dominantly, and the other fighter won 6 or 7 rounds closely. You total up the punchstats, and it looks obvious that the fighter who won less rounds should have won, but if you actually look at the fight round by round, you can see that, at worst, the fight could have gone either way.
Scoring fallacy #3 - "Fighter A dominated when he actually tried, so he won the fight."
Real-life non-robbery example: Taylor-Hopkins. Heck, Cotto-Clottey probably falls into this category as well. Unfortunately for Hopkins and Clottey, you still need to score the rounds they took off. Clottey did squat in the last two rounds of his fight with Cotto, and there were two or three other rounds during the course of the fight when he really did very little. Hopkins barely threw punches for about the first five rounds of the Taylor fight. Sure, when he turned up the gas, it was obvious that he was the better boxer than Taylor (much as I think it was pretty obvious that Clottey was the better boxer than Cotto in their fight last night, when they were both trying their hardest), but stamina is a very real part of the sport, and if someone needs to put their foot on the brakes for 4 or 5 rounds, then they have to really win the rest of the rounds in order to win the fight.
Scoring fallacy #4 - "Fighter A was fresh down the stretch and Fighter B looked like he was on his last legs, so Fighter A should have won."
Real-life non-robbery example: Williams-Margarito. People often tend to have short memories when watching a boxing match. Someone dominates near the end of the fight, and the instinct is to think that the rallying fighter won. However, if they lost the first 6 or 7 rounds because they didn't do well then, it doesn't matter how hard the fighter rallies as long as his opponent stays on his feet.
The valid argument - "There's no way that Fighter A could have won more than 5 rounds, and therefore Fighter B was robbed."
Real-life example: Jose Armando Santa Cruz vs. Joel Casamayor. Occasionally there are other reasons to cry robbery as well, when the robbery is due to incompetent refereeing (i.e., Robin Reid vs. Sven Ottke, Edison Miranda vs. Arthur Abraham I), but generally, this is the only way you can have a legitimate robbery. The problem is that Cotto-Clottey was NOT one of those fights. Clottey very clearly won 5 rounds; Cotto very clearly won 4 rounds, and scored a knockdown in one of them. Heck, Clottey was dominating the first round until Cotto scored the knockdown, and had he not fallen, that would have been enough of a swing to at least earn him a draw (which then WOULD have been a robbery). Complaints about the 116-111 card are legitimate - there's no way you can legitimately come to that score based on the actual fight that took place, and I hope that judge is never allowed to judge a major title fight again. But the fact is that there's even a legitimate basis for the 115-112 Cotto card. Three rounds were close and could have gone either way. In two of them, Clottey barely did squat. His own inactivity ended up costing him the fight.
As a disclaimer, I usually try to keep things pretty impartial - I'll report the news, I'll try to bring out information that people don't necessarily know, and maybe give my analysis of a fight or a fighter. I do realize this post is more opinion than most I have on here, and there are counterpoints. With that said, if someone wants to write a well-written, well thought out counterpoint to this piece, I'd be happy to promote it to the front page.
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You can always tell from a sell out crowds point of view who was the actual winner and the loser. They always make it clear of whom was the actual winner when they see it. JCC Jr was one of them where the crowd booed after he when on points. Not to mention… twice. Andre Berto was another. Baldo-Judah, but Baldo obviously won that fight. DLH-Sterum.There are plenty more of them. After the decision was made clear last night, at what point did the crowd booed?
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by Sickle on Jun 14, 2009 5:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
crowds are not going to boo
if it was filled with 99% supporters of the guy who got the decision which was the case last night.
by sonofapsycho on Jun 14, 2009 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
100% of supporters down in Mexico the nights of JCC Jr. fight. Who booed?
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by Sickle on Jun 14, 2009 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They do all the time
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by Brickhaus on Jun 14, 2009 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But I do see your point
It happens, but it doesn’t ALWAYS happen.
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by Brickhaus on Jun 14, 2009 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i must be out of the loop
of the fans booing their heros. i cant think of any fight off my head where they turned on their guy. unless you count rocky 4.
by sonofapsycho on Jun 14, 2009 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Valuev-Holyfield, for one
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by Brickhaus on Jun 14, 2009 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i remember
last year or two years ago during the bisping/hamil fight, granted its mma but still. the fight was in england, bispings hometown, bisping got the piss beat out of him for 3 rounds, got a gift decision and the crowd went apeshit like like an oprah audience when they are getting those free gifts.
im still trying to think of a case, some bullshit fights that come to mind are jc chavez sr’s second fight with frankie randall, he clearly lost and got a gift decision and i dont remember anyone booing.
oscar vs sterm i dont really remember the crowd reaction but oscar always had his haters in crowds, mexicans included who thought he was a phony.
by sonofapsycho on Jun 14, 2009 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well...
given that I still score that fight for Bisping and FightMetric’s scoring also scores it for Bisping it’s hardly a “robbery” Bisping won rounds 2 and 3. He lost 1 convincingly but won 2 and 3
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by Brent Brookhouse on Jun 14, 2009 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think crowds booing has more to do with the style of the fight rather than points scoring. If the crowd feels a fighter stayed on the outside and outjabbed an oponent rather than getting involved in a brawl. Couple of times it happened to Ray Leonard (and count less others).
I geuss a good rule would be a less knowledgable crowd is more likely to boo a boxer and cheer a fighter/brawler
by Brett87 on Jun 14, 2009 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
People talk about Clottey not doing much in the last 3 rounds, but he landed more than twice as many punches in the 10th, 16-7, and the same in the 11th. He clearly did give away the 12th, but the point is Cotto didn’t do much either in the last 3. An accurate scoring would have have split the last 3 rounds, one for each and one even. Outside of the 1st and 5th, there really aren’t any rounds that were Cotto rounds in the first 9, his punches had absolutely no effect and they were virtually all blocked. Horrible decision.
by MatM on Jun 14, 2009 6:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wait a second...
So you’re NOT giving round six to Cotto? That’s dubious.
by hakimdropstheball on Jun 14, 2009 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he means the 1st and 6th, not the 1st and 5th.
by A.F. on Jun 14, 2009 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Crowd noise?
Going by crowd noise? Just not a factor anyone seriously judging the fight should be looking at. I’ve been to many fights, and the crowd’s reaction for the hometown fighter is nearly always more positive than the opponent.
by A.F. on Jun 14, 2009 6:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Re-watching when I'm sober.....
here’s my thoughts by round:
R1 – Close round until the knockdown. Clean knockdown, no slip, 10-8 Cotto.
R2 – Fairly close, but Clottey definitely landed the cleaner shots 10-9 Clottey, 19-18 Cotto.
R3 – Very close round, not a lot of clean effective punches for either man. Cotto wins it on the strength of the superior work rate, and the work he did with the jab. This round could have gone either way, but I had it 10-9 Cotto last night, and 10-9 Cotto this afternoon. 29-27 Cotto
R4 – Cotto was the aggressor, and landed the better shots that round. 10-9 Cotto, 39-36 Cotto.
R5 – Clottey was dominant here. 10-9 Clottey, 48-46 Cotto.
R6 – Cotto’s best round, bell-to-bell. Clottey’s knee was definitely a factor. 10-9 Cotto, 58-55 Cotto.
R7 – Tremendous defense and counter-punching takes it. Vintage Clottey. 10-9 Clottey, 67-65 Cotto.
R8 – Clottey’s best round. Clottey’s snapping Cotto’s head back, and blocking everything Cotto throws. 10-9 Clottey 76-75 Cotto.
R9 – Clottey again, walking him down and cutting him down. 10-9 Clottey, 85-85.
R10 – Neither guy did much cleanly, but Clottey probably landed more throughout the round. Cotto’s late left hook made this the closest round of the fight, but it goes to Clottey. 10-9 Clottey, 95-94 Clottey.
R11 – The only good work that was done here was done by Cotto. His flurries at 1:00 and 0:30, while not spectacular, were more than enough. 10-9 Cotto, 104-104.
R12 – No-doubter for Cotto. Cotto landed some shots, and Clottey did nothing. 10-9 Cotto, 114-113 Cotto.
On the re-watch, I had the exact same card I did last night. I think Brickhaus’s comment last night that there were 4 clear Cotto rounds (1 with the KD, 4, 6, 12) and 5 clear Clottey rounds (2, 5, 7, 8, 9) is dead on. 3, 10 and 11 were the toss-up rounds, and I felt I gave the closest of those (10) to Clottey. Cotto won the other two. As previously noted, 116-111 is a crazy man’s card, but any card from 115-112 Cotto to 115-112 Clottey is defensible, and I really think that 114-113 Cotto is the right card.
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by BLee2525 on Jun 14, 2009 6:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think the results of the poll are probably a good indicator of the way the fight went. I have to say though that the fact that this was a tough, competitive fight between elite competitors has been overshadowed by this ‘controversy’
by thirdslip on Jun 14, 2009 7:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
115-112
That is how I scored last night in favor of defending CHAMPION Miguel Cotto. People forget, if your the CHAMP as was/is Cotto, that you have to TAKE the title from the champ. In this case CLOTTEY lost those rounds that were close or where he was inactive for extended periods because he was the CHALLENGER and he did not do enought to TAKE the round from the CHAMP. Thank you.
What’s next for Cotto? He should make another defense a la Jennings against someone in the WBO top 10. Then he shoul fight the Mayweather-Marquez winner.
by JasonTryp on Jun 14, 2009 8:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
People forget, if your the CHAMP as was/is Cotto, that you have to TAKE the title from the champ.
No, they don’t forget, it’s just stupid boxing lore hogshit that doesn’t make any sense.
by SC on Jun 14, 2009 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ugh...no
IF a guy wins a round, he wins a round. He doesn’t get a bonus for “being champion” that means he automatically wins every close round. I scored it for Cotto by a point but it has nothing to do with getting a champion bonus
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by Brent Brookhouse on Jun 14, 2009 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I should have put that down as a fallacy as well
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by Brickhaus on Jun 15, 2009 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This was my scorecard last night (as best I remember)
R1 10-8 Cotto
R2 10-9 Clottey, 19-18 Cotto
R3 10-9 Clottey, 28-28 Clottey
R4 10-9 Clottey, 38-37 Clottey
R5 10-9 Clottey 48-46 Clottey
R6 10-9 Cotto 57-56 Clottey
R7 10-9 Clottey 67-65 Clottey
R8 10-9 Clottey 77-74 Clottey
R9 10-9 Clottey 87-83 Clottey
R10 10-10 97-93 Clottey
R11 10-9 Cotto 106-103 Clottey
R12 10-9 Cotto 115-113 Clottey
I remember being shaky on R3 and R4 (I forget which) — scoring that the other way makes it a draw. But there are other things that could be done. One could make an argument for a 10-9 Cotto first round (Clottey was winning it until the flash kd). One could obviously push R10 one way or the other. Hurrld had R11 for Clottey. I don’t think this is a robbery, but I think Clottey has the right to be miffed at being on the wrong end of yet another hard luck night.
Also, ESPN had it 116-111 and the AP had it 116-112 (both Cotto). Then again, neither tend to do a good job scoring fights. ESPN’s article said something like “Cotto appeared to land a higher volume of shots,” which is funny because Clottey outlanded Cotto by a substantive margin.
by schraubd on Jun 14, 2009 9:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I had a very similar card.
After watching some of the close rounds again a couple times today…
I had Clottey winning round 2, 4, 5, 7, 8, 9 and 10.
Cotto taking 1, 3, 6 and 12.
I thought 11 could have gone either way.
So 7-4-1. 115-113.
by A.F. on Jun 15, 2009 1:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't really trust compubox
It’s pretty accurate with punches thrown, but not nearly as accurate with punches landed, especially to the body or while guys are fighting on the inside.
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by Brickhaus on Jun 15, 2009 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh and one more thing
I’d have docked a point against Cotto for the 12th round rabbit punch (not my call as a judge, I just think AM Jr should have). It looked pretty deliberate — Cotto threw the punch after he had already spun behind Clottey in the clinch, and followed it through completely. I gave Cotto the benefit of the doubt on the throwdown that hurt Clottey’s knee. But Cotto, we have to remember, is a dirty fighter. A smart dirty fighter, to be sure — he only pulls stuff when he really needs to. But I have little doubt that it is conscious — and a rabbit punch is dangerous enough and here was blatant enough that I think it deserved a point deduction.
by schraubd on Jun 14, 2009 9:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Cotto didn’t “spin behind” him… I’ll look at it again, but the way I remember it, Clottey had a hold of one of Cotto’s arms and turned away. I think it was a deliberate shot, but Clottey was fouling simultaneously by grabbing an arm and turning his back.
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by jrok on Jun 14, 2009 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ll have to rewatch it and keep score but I believed Cotto won but it was realy close. Clottey’s inactivity during some rounds cost him i thought cause it gave Cotto time to open up little bit more.
I’ve never been to a big fight live but i could imagine that if a crowed cheered when someone threw a punch that looked like it landed you could be led to believe it was bigger than what it was, which could play up on the judge.
Like schraubd said just you could of had the first round 10 – 9 Cotto with Clottey winning the round untill the knockdown.
Does anyone know were the judges sit? Are they ring side? I heard once that during some fights they put them higher in the crowed for better angle. I’ve just wondered about it.
by sigidy on Jun 15, 2009 2:31 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ring side.
And I had Clottey winning 10-9 in the first until the knockdown. I was almost ready to type “Clottey 10-9” in the round-by-round when he suddenly hit the deck.
by SC on Jun 15, 2009 9:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You could have it that way
But it’s rare to score a KD round 10-9. I only do it in extreme circumstances. The only time I’ve done it was round 4 of Adamek-Cunningham, and that’s only because it was a 10-8 round for Cunningham before the knockdown.
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by Brickhaus on Jun 15, 2009 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There are three circumstances that make it far more likely I will score a 10-9 w/KD.
1) Where there are multiple exchanged kds (which is kind of a special case)
2) Where the knocked down fighter was absolutely dominating the round prior to it.
and/or
3) Where the kd was extremely flash — basically, if the boxer was mostly off balance and just happened to be hit with a punch when he was already falling over.
I didn’t score R1 here 10-9 because it didn’t quite reach either 2 or 3. Clottey was winning round one handily, but he wasn’t battering Cotto around the ring. And while the knockdown certainly didn’t hurt Clottey (he seemed more embarrassed by it), it wasn’t totally flash — it was a solid, well-timed punch; it wasn’t merely that Clottey was off balance.
by schraubd on Jun 15, 2009 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
great article
really informative. My two cents worth is just down the middle, that it could have gone either way. I find it much, much harder to feel sorry for Clottey than I do for Holyfield against Valuev, for example. He was just in a very close fight.
by BrianBrock on Jun 15, 2009 9:21 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I get the general point of this article and mainly agree with it. Its a writer’s job to write authoritatively about, but there really is no “authoritative” answer for the question of what constitutes a robbery (or a “job”, or, in rare instances, a “jobbery”).
To use an analogy that has pissed off some boxing friends of mine in the past, Boxing isn’t really a “sport.” Minus a stoppage, its much closer to professional Ice Dancing than it is to, say, football. As a scoring element, “effective aggression” is less abstract than the catch-all “ring generalship,” but it is still mighty objective. I remember while watching Mayweather-Hatton with a small crowd of British bar buddies, they were insisting that Hatton was winning rounds on “effective aggression” that I scored widely for Floyd. Sure, their passions were inflamed by beer and nationalism, but an observer’s definition of “effective” is in many ways as much of an escape hatch as “generalship.”
Probably the best (but not perfect) way to gauge a robbery is democratically. It’s not a science though, and you can’t narrow it down any more than that. There’s no magic point swing that makes a robbery a robbery. In general, when one guy loses on almost every observer’s cards and still manages to win on two or more judge’s cards, people will rightfully say his opponent was robbed due to poor judging or some form of personal bias. If the winner was also the betting favorite or if there were certain financial or legal circumstances surrounding one or both fighters, people will speculate about a “job.” And in the case of something like, say Foreman-Briggs or Holy-Lewis, people will claim both, and the fight will go down in infamy.
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by jrok on Jun 15, 2009 9:43 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I meant "subjective" not "objective"
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by jrok on Jun 15, 2009 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What is a Robbery?
I watched the fight again and had Cotto winning again by one point. Now im not a judge but i would like to know from the 111 votes who saw that as a CLEAR victory for Clottey just by what margin of points they scored it? When does it become a Robbery? 3 rounds? 4 rounds up?
Im sure they been mentioned above: Lewis-Holy or Chavez-Whitaker now they were Dick Turpin specials. Hell im throwing Benn-Eubank 2 in there as well….
Cotto-Clottey & Berto-Collazo were close calls not Robberys. A point either way..
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by dinkman on Jun 15, 2009 12:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Someone's been screwing around with the poll
At one point, there were no draw votes and about 10 robbery votes, and then all of a sudden there were 100 votes for each. I find it hard to believe that 100 people on the planet had the bout scored a draw, much less that 12% of people scored it a draw.
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by Brickhaus on Jun 15, 2009 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And I think you can have a close but clear robbery
If you have 12 easy to score rounds, and it should come out 7-5, there can be a robbery on a close margin. De La Hoya-Sturm would be an example of that.
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by Brickhaus on Jun 15, 2009 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
De La Hoya-Sturm was another was load of bollocks. I would throw that in with the worst calls ever also. Not so much the scoring but the reason why it stunk. I remember the look of Bernards face in the dressing room..he thought he lost the moon until that scorecard was out. I felt sick for Strurm that night.
Just as i was sick for DLH against Tito.
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by dinkman on Jun 15, 2009 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Like the article Brickhaus...
Nice work, I still say Clottey was robbed using your metrics above.
by SkeedTom on Jun 15, 2009 2:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Fair enough
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by Brickhaus on Jun 15, 2009 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I watched the televised fight last night
after being there Saturday, and I can see why it looked like Clottey took it.
First of all, Emanuel Steward was beyond enamored with Clottey, giving him every round save the first and 12th. Half way through the 9th, Lampley had to tell him there way no way Clottey took the 4th and 6th. If you rewatch the fight, do so with the sound off.
Watching Clottey throw, and I know he is not a power puncher, it looks weak. The guy is an arm puncher and does not get his hips around at all. Perhaps that is a side effect of his knee injury, but you cant consider a lot of those throws power shots if he dosent put any power behind them.
Clottey lost the fight in the 12th. It was even with Clottey winning more rounds, but Cotto taking the 10-8 first. He was acting like a soccer player with the hit in the back of the head, trying to work a ref that doesnt give out many fouls. Had Cotto gotten the deduction, yes clottey wins the fight… but thats not the best game plan.
by ryanwk628 on Jun 17, 2009 8:43 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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