Cotto-Pacquiao for November?
Michael Marley reports that Bob Arum is looking at a November date for a showdown between his two most popular stars, Filipino sensation Manny Pacquiao and Puerto Rican superstar Miguel Cotto:
"Manny told me what to do," Arum said. "Manny told me, ‘Go ahead, make that fight.’ So it will go Nov. 14 at the MGM Grand here in Vegas."
What with Cotto’s badly cut left eyebrow area, I asked if that might cause a date delay.
"No because it’s not that bad. Miguel is delighted to get a fight against Manny, trust me. Miguel very much wants this fight. It will be a sensational fight the way they attack."
As far as the explosive, arena-shaking ovation more than 17,000 fans gave Pacquiao when Michael Buffer introduced him, Arum said the fighter was thrilled.
"Manny really enjoyed and like that," Arum said. "He was impressed by Cotto’s fan support and told me it reminded him of how the British fans stand with Ricky Hatton."
It's an interesting fight to say the least, and I'll go on record right now and say I think Pacquiao's just too good for Cotto. One thing Shane Mosley recently said is something I've been trying to say for a little bit now, because it's 100% true: People need to stop acting like Pacquiao is smaller than he is. He is a small welterweight to be sure, but he is all of a half-inch shorter than Cotto and has the exact same reach. Cotto essentially entered the sport at 140 pounds. Pacquiao was a big 112-pound fighter, and I think it's more amazing now that he won the flyweight championship than it is the fact that he's now the 140-pound champion.
I mean no disrespect to Pacquiao or his trainer Freddie Roach when I say this, but if they ask Cotto to cut below 147, they're playing a game and it doesn't show true guts. The men are the exact same size. Cotto had trouble making 140 and isn't a bigger welter.
I also mean no disrespect when I say this, because Freddie pretty much said the same thing: The reason they'd want Mosley to cut is because they don't want to fight Mosley at 147. I don't think Freddie finds that one to be a very good idea at all. Mosley is 5'9" with a 74" reach and doesn't have the trigger problems that Freddie scouted out in Oscar de la Hoya, who hadn't fought at 147 in years in addition to his far more obvious decline than anything Mosley is in right now. Shane would have a lot of physical advantages on Pacquiao, but Cotto fought and beat Mosley, too, so it is what it is.
To me, Cotto seems the better fight for Manny, probably a bigger payday given that Cotto has more fans than Mosley does, and easier to make with both men being under the Top Rank banner. It's no surprise, it doesn't bother me, and I hope it gets made.
For those that will cry foul and demand a Cotto-Clottey rematch (there will be a few), this is simple business: Arum and Cotto and everyone else make way, way more money from Cotto-Pacquiao than they do Cotto-Clottey II. I know that seems obvious to 99.8% of you, but that 0.2% will be vocal shortly, I'm sure.
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just on the weight....
I’m not sure if its not about showing true guts, that might be a bit harsh. Maybe I’m wrong but I think Pacquaio only weighed in at 142 for the Oscar fight?! And maybe he was happy to give the weight away to him, but not a natural prime welter. I’m not sure that if he can’t bulk up much easily beyond 142/143, that it would make sense to give that 4/5lbs away, especially when he is the one calling the shots in a way. He’s come a long way up as it is in weight.
by BrianBrock on Jun 15, 2009 9:46 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
They know these guys are welterweights that would have an awful time getting below 147 and staying in top shape, is my point. If they don’t want to fight them at the best weight, then fight Tim Bradley or someone at 140. I think Pacquiao-Bradley at 140 is a better fight than Pacquiao-Mosley with Mosley half-dead cutting to 143.
by SC on Jun 15, 2009 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed
the advantage would be all with them at 143, and while Pacquiao-Bradley is a better fight, probably the name of Shane Mosely and especially Cotto with his fanbase would probably generate more money than that fight, so that makes more sense I guess.
by BrianBrock on Jun 15, 2009 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
also
sorry to nitpick, but I think they do want to fight at the best weight, But for Pacquiao rather than Cotto/Mosely.
by BrianBrock on Jun 15, 2009 10:23 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Freddie Roach doesn’t have any interest in putting Manny in with Mosley at 147 and I’m guessing they’ll want Cotto to shave off a pound or three, too. If you don’t want to fight at 147, don’t fight 147-pound fighters. Fight guys at 140.
by SC on Jun 15, 2009 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm assuming they keep getting mentioned with the 147-pounders
because that’s where the money is?
If you were thinking, you wouldn't have thought that.
by Warden11 on Jun 15, 2009 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well yeah
But then they want them to shave off pounds that they know will be a massive problem for the fighters in question. Pacquiao could fight at 142-145 against them at 147 and be perfectly fine, I think.
by SC on Jun 15, 2009 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's what I figured, it was an honest question (although a fairly stupid one).
If you were thinking, you wouldn't have thought that.
by Warden11 on Jun 15, 2009 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That would be better I think if Manny came in lighter. Im getting bit fed up with the catch weights that seem to be coming up more and more and now with Paulie Malignaggi an Juan Diaz fighting at 138.5 is shocking. What happened to the days when if you wanted to fight someone you went to their weight or they went to yours?
by sigidy on Jun 16, 2009 1:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Completely agree
I couldn’t have said it better myself and remember ,according to the above article and Arum,this is Manny calling out Cotto and not the other way around. So IMO,if Manny is calling Cotto out and wants that fight made he should meet Miguel at 147. They are just trying to gain any advantage they can by making these guys weight drain.
by Full Throttle on Jun 15, 2009 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that was in response to SC’s posts above
by Full Throttle on Jun 15, 2009 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
To be fair I think Pacquiao would probably fight a lion if someone told him to. Pacquiao and Vic Darchinyan are the two guys I think would literally fight anyone and not worry about the weight. Freddie Roach knows his fighter and knows what’s best for him, and I think this is sort of his way of saying that as phenomenally awesome as Manny is, he’s not invincible. I doubt Pacquiao would have a big problem fighting these guys at 147. Still…
by SC on Jun 16, 2009 2:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cotto is the one who wants Pacquiao
Or at least he wants the fight as much, or even more than, as Pac does. There’s money in the welters, but there’s more money in fighting Pacquiao. Now, with Cotto wanting to fight Pacquiao and Pacquiao is calling the shots being the best fighter in the sport and its cash cow, then Cotto has to sacrifice. Addressing the dislike on catchweight and instead use the old school thing of going into a weight class of the fighter you want to fight, Cotto is lucky it even has to be a catchweight rather than 140, which he can’t make.
by Fj-3 on Jun 16, 2009 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cotto-Pacquiao
Well i hope this is not Bob Arum shit talk. Seen enough fights this year being cancelled and called off as it is.
Better fight on paper than Manny-Floyd for sure. Lets do it!
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by dinkman on Jun 15, 2009 11:34 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
more exciting maybe
but I really want to see the two greatest of the current era square off.
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by Matt Miller on Jun 16, 2009 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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