The Meaning of Mercer
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Look, I'm no numbskull. The Sylvia-Mercer fight was a wall-to-wall horrible idea that was met with about as much enthusiasm by MMA fans, by Boxing fans and by the state of New Jersey as it deserved. But, its not totally "meaningless." A Britney Spears album is meaningless. So are Ashton Kutcher "Twitters." But if the result of this fight was entirely without meaning, no one would even bother to mention it happening, let alone to go out of their way to point out and reiterate how utterly meaningless it all was.
Don't get me wrong. The imaginary sibling rivalry between MMA and Boxing is something that I don't think many hardcore fans of either sport take very seriously (and if they do, they should seriously consider getting some form of life). But the business side of prizefighting has as much, if not more, to do with the perceptions of the casual fan as it does with catering to diehards. And, like it or not, a perception exists in the MMA casual fan base that Mixed Martial Arts somehow amounts to "Boxing+". For this sort of fight fan, a Mixed Martial Artist is by definition a superior combatant; a sort of nine-headed Boxing Hydra that adds kicks, chokes and grappling to the standard boxing arsenal. This is the sort of mentality I think Sylvia was (very subtly, maybe accidentally) addressing when he described his desire to crossover to boxing and earn "the big bucks" by climbing into the top ranks of the heavyweight division. In other words, "Boxing is easier than MMA. My experiences in MMA should translate pretty well, and I could probably be a top contender in a few years."
Obviously, the smarter fans of MMA and Boxing (and both) thought this was just sheer nonsense. BLH's brother blog Bloody Elbow boasted plenty of fans who sneered at Sylvia's audacity, as well as at this shameful fight in general. But this perception hasn't been uncommon among MMA fans I've hung out with. Whenever the conversation has been steered towards Boxer vs. MMA fighter, there always seems to be this undercurrent of "but, you see, if a Boxer tried A, an MMA fighter could just do B, C, D, E and Q....." It's the sort of pointless conversation I don't enjoy having, and I've met more serious fans of mixed martial arts that agree. But I think its worth noting that this perception of superiority has always been a key part of MMA's marketing strategy and success. I vividly recall watching a tape of the first Ultimate Fighting Championship back in 1994, and I remember the sort of analogies that were being kicked around at ringside. This wasn't Boxing; it was Ultimate fighting, and these were Ultimate fighters. They were to boxers as Marine snipers were to paintball champions. This was "the future of fighting sports."
Before anyone brands me a Hater of All Things MMA, I have to say I also remember some things that I enjoyed about the sport. Royce Gracie in particular was interesting to watch, with his frustrating, octopus-like jujitsu style that made Floyd Mayweather look like Arturo Gatti in terms of pulse-pounding excitement. I've also rather enjoyed watching the sport mature and grow over the years. In general, I think its success isn't a threat to Boxing, which has survived many lapses in popularity on the strength of its long, storied history and culture. If anything, the popularity of MMA probably helps Boxing to thrive in the long run, since there are so many opportunities for crossover events and promotions. The two sports definitely can and probably should try to form a closer partnership over the coming decade. One thing I learned growing up in the 70's was that a bad economy usually ignites interest in professional fighting. Given that we are probably in for a very rough ride in the short term, this could easily become a Golden age for both sports, as long as they don't try to pick each others pockets on the way to the bank.
And, like I've said, it seems to me that the majority of MMA fans and Boxing fans looked crosseyed at Sylvia-Mercer from day one. But it's worth mentioning that the main reason everybody had been giving this fight the business was because of Mercer himself. Ray was 48 years old. He'd had 3 overseas fights in 3 years. His last championship bout was a 6th round stoppage loss to Wladimir Klitschko in 2002. His last fight with a top twenty boxer was a knockout loss to Shannon Briggs in 2005, and he'd lost to a far worse heavyweight in Derric Rossy little more than a year ago. He'd be fighting in a cage instead of a boxing ring. And, to top things off, the rules were changed from Queensberry to Mixed Martial Arts at the last minute. Sylvia would be allowed to grapple, choke, kick, elbow and generally have at his disposal the full array of weapons he'd studied over the course of his professional career. We hated this fight because Tim was going after an old boxer in a card game where he supposedly held all the Aces. We hated it because it seemed Tim was trying to sneak into a professional boxing career through a creaky, unlocked screen door.
If nothing else, the savagery and speed of the Mercer-Sylvia result might have at least put the lie to this perception that MMA and Boxing aren't merely "different" sports, but that MMA is somehow the superior animal, having evolved from Boxing's furrowed, caveman brow. This fight doesn't change my opinion about MMA one way or the other, and anyone who says "this one fight proves Boxing is better than MMA" is a knucklehead in my book. But maybe it might raise some consciousness in the ranks of MMA's casual fans that a world-class boxer possesses unique skills and experiences that can easily translate into a very short, brutal night for any fighter, fighting in any style and under any set of rules.
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Nice Post
Nice post. I think real fight fans thought the fight was a bad idea from the beginning.
I think the main point I have is that Boxing and MMA are two different sports. A Gracie would
not last a round with a top boxer on his feet and a top boxer would not last a round with a
Gracie on the mat.
It all comes down to style.
Like in the Cotto/Clootey fight. I think Clootey won because of his great defense and his
pin point punches (he was not robbed because he did not throw enough punches in the
championship rounds). However, I think he was the better fighter on Sat. Others, like Cotto’s
style.
The more we have of both Boxing and MMA the more styles and fighters for everyone’s taste.
That is how you make both sports stronger and bigger.
by Stricker71 on Jun 16, 2009 1:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Great post. This is the best piece I’ve seen on the Mercer/Sylvia debacle and one of the best things I’ve read on the supposed MMA/boxing split in general. It should be widely read. Scott, front page?
Boxing writer: "Iran, what are you going to do when you retire?"
Iran Barkley: "Rob your house"
by Matt Miller on Jun 16, 2009 1:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hey thanks, Miller
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
by jrok on Jun 16, 2009 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks, Brock
Brock, you are in the U.K, right? I keep forgetting to ask.
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
by jrok on Jun 16, 2009 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No worries
Yeah, in London. Are you over on this side of the pond too? Always especially late nights when I can get on for BLH fight round by round, bit otherwise all good.
by BrianBrock on Jun 17, 2009 8:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Im not sure if any of yall saw it
but even MMA legend Jens Pulver said going in to the fight that Tim was headed for trouble, saying something like anyone who can win a heavyweight title can thump, regardless of age.
Any respectable MMA fan has immense respect for boxing, with the success of Marcus Davis, Jens Pulver, and the emergence of premier boxing coaches like Roach working their way into our sport.
The sibling rivalry is really a bit disappointing. I never hear of debates between jiu jitsu and MMA, or muay thai and MMA, only boxing and MMA.
Im glad you guys aren’t ignorantly blasting my sport and are gentlemen. Ive really taken up alot more interest in boxing than I used to and hope to start training exclusively in the sweet science this fall.
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by troy145 on Jun 16, 2009 2:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I remember Jens Pulver!
I liked that guy in MMA. "Lil’ Evil. " He seemed like a potentially dangerous guy. I don’t recall his boxing career, though.
Roach wants to throw himself into a lot of things, and I’m not going to judge a man’s choices (except when it comes to his nutty idea of training/backing Margarito, which is Hollywood bullcrap). Personally, I’d be very curious to watch an MMA bout with a Roach-trained fighter, just to see how the Roach / Moorer formula is altered and adapted… if at all!
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
by jrok on Jun 16, 2009 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here’s one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1ZnI8WV6UM
Arlovski was doing well until he got overexcited and threw that flying knee…
Dan Hardy also won a SD in Germany on Saturday against a very game Marcus Davis.
If a high level boxer developed really good takedown defence they would wreck nearly anyone in MMA.
Keep firing Assholes!
Out out, you demons of stupidity!
by Ubernoober on Jun 16, 2009 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
& btw great post, you hit the nail on the head.
Keep firing Assholes!
Out out, you demons of stupidity!
by Ubernoober on Jun 16, 2009 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well Moorer's already not with Roach anymore
Roach dumped him shortly after the Pac fight.
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by Brickhaus on Jun 17, 2009 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's just sewing circle stuff
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
by jrok on Jun 17, 2009 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Super post Jrok.
Personally i loved it when Mercer cained him in. With all respect to MMA, im not a huge fan i dont see no reason not to root for one of your “own”.
Couple of my friends go to the MMA fights, it aint that big here like in Uncle Sam , we banter all time nothing serious. We knew the fight was a joke but It felt good taking their money :)
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by dinkman on Jun 16, 2009 3:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Dinkman, I feel you on this. I was pretty drunk when someone mentioned that Mercer kayoed Sylvia in 9 second, and my first response was “well… good!” I guess I hated the matchmaking idea as much as anyone, and I wasn’t looking forward reading about Ray Mercer having gone one fight too long and getting badly hurt by a man fifteen years his junior.
Really, this was already nine or ten fights too long for Ray, and I do hope he doesn’t let his new MMA rating go to his head and hangs them up on a high note.
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
by jrok on Jun 16, 2009 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you guys are missing out
on watching mma. its really fun and really intriguing to watch. it has its crap and nonsense, same as boxing, but the majority of it, like boxing, is great. give it a few shows and I think you’ll be checking youtube and such to watch more and more.
as far as the the mma vs boxing feud goes, its really just nonsense. you’re always going to have an mma fan talk shit the same way a boxing fan is going to talk shit, but everyone with half a brain knows that if any boxer would land a shot on any mma guy it would be over same as if any jitz guy got a boxer on the ground it would be over in a matter of seconds. the very first ufc broadcasts even mentioned that.
by sonofapsycho on Jun 16, 2009 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dont hate it
To each his own. There’s no ‘feud’ as far as I’m concerned. If boxing isn’t on, I can’t think of of a ton of things I’d rather watch then MMA.. “Deadwood” was decent, I guess. I’d still much rather watch a fight.
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
by jrok on Jun 17, 2009 1:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Deadwood was more than decent. First two seasons at least. Third is kinda shaky.
by SC on Jun 17, 2009 5:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Deadwood is Wicked
If its not Boxing i would rather watch Football (soccccceeeeeerrrr!) or athletics.
Guess i not seen the right fights to get me hooked.
Someone suggest a MMA classic or two thats on YouTube or somewhere so i can watch and it might make me change my tune…
When you dream...anything is possible... People can fly. Sometimes theres a moment when you wake and become aware of your surroundings..but you are still dreaming... You may think you can fly but you better not try...
by dinkman on Jun 17, 2009 7:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
dinkman: If you want to try to get into mma, I’d suggest watching some highlights reels. the ground game is hard to understand at first but once you see some flashy submissions you start respecting it more
kazushi sakuraba http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44E-lW3aYhM
genki sudo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlW0_r_japA&feature=related
kid yamamato http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0EglgdPgmw&feature=related
by phantasma475 on Jun 17, 2009 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Try these
Best fight of last year by a mile was Eddie Alvarez vs Joachim Hansen. Great fight
Other good ones. Alvarez vs Kawajiri, Uyenoyama vs Tokoro, Torres vs Maeda, Cerrone vs Rob McCullagh
Some great submission guys to watch these days are Damian Maia, Ronaldo “Jacare” De Souza, Dustin Hazelett and Andre Galvao
Toby Imada also has this crazy submission http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bpr9lPqcMDM
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jun 18, 2009 12:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also for just pure mayhem
Check out Don Frye vs Takayama.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jun 18, 2009 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Phatasma & Itburnz cheers ill have a look tommorow on my day off work.
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by dinkman on Jun 18, 2009 3:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Three times is almost never a charm for TV shows. “Homicide: Life on the Streets” was my favorite show for its first two seasons, then it completely stunk out the joint. You should only be allowed to do two runs, max. If you can’t tell your story in 48 episodes, you don’t have a story. You have a soap opera.
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
by jrok on Jun 17, 2009 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
with a story-based show, I actually agree
I’m the rare nut that thinks The Sopranos was pretty great throughout the entire run, but there is absolutely no question they peaked in the first two seasons.
by SC on Jun 17, 2009 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have some British friends who’ve told me their whole model is different. Basically, most shows just run for one “season,” so its more like an American TV mini-series. I like movies and don’t much like TV shows, so that sounds like a good idea to me. You get to see new things instead of the same crappola being on forever. I might watch more TV shows if I knew they would end at some point.
That was how that “24” show should’ve been. There’s another one that quickly wore out its welcome with me. Also, Keifer Sutherland has got a severe case of Al Pacino-itus. Put him in a some kind of intense scene and he starts shouting and growling his lines like a pro wrestler.
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
by jrok on Jun 17, 2009 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Very well said my friend…
"Boxing is dirty," said Casamayor. " The day I’m not ready to be a dirty fighter is the day I don’t fight anymore because it will mean that I have no heart for it anymore."
by Zocalo on Jun 16, 2009 11:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
comparing boxing and MMA is like comparing baseball and cricket, football and rugby, or Jujitsu and MMA… yes they are similar, and there are talented athletes who can do both at a high level, but they are different sports.
A boxer would get destroyed in ground fighting, an MMA fighter would loose every round fighting a squared up style throwing wild loopy punches which are much less effective with 16 oz gloves. It would be as silly as David Ortiz stepping up to the plate with a square cricket bat.
by ryanwk628 on Jun 17, 2009 8:25 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Well, I sort of agree and I sort of don’t. I guess what I really meant was “fighting is fighting”… whether the rules are Queensberry, Muay Thai, MMA, Wrestling, Jujitsu or anything else, they are essentially just a set of rules that two men will agree to on a given night, with a referee to enforce them.
I mean, the point is that a boxer certainly can compete and win in MMA, since all rounds and resets begin on their feet. If some or all began in a prone position (or even in a kneeling position, as in wrestling), a man with grappling skills has the advantage in the fight. Mercer and Sylvia was an MMA match, but Tim didn’t have a chance to get Mercer on the ground before he was put to bed by a right hook. From a world class boxer who can sit down on his punches, it really only takes one punch – especially in MMA, where the gloves are smaller and you can immediately follow up on a KD without giving your man a chance to recover. I mean, I didn’t need to see Tim keel over to know that Mercer, even at age 48, had a far better right hook than Tim Sylvia.
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
by jrok on Jun 17, 2009 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, but...
If an upright boxer developed world-class takedown defense, then by nature he wouldn’t be sitting on his punches as well anymore, since you can’t have as good of positioning to avoid a takedown.
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by Brickhaus on Jun 17, 2009 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I never said anything about developing a world-class takedown defense or anything like that. I just said that if a world class boxer (i.e. fighting in a boxing stance and sitting on his punches) catches an MMA guy cold or shooting in, most of the time it will be goodnight Irene. And I’ll stand by that completely unprovable speculation.
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
by jrok on Jun 17, 2009 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This pretty much sums it up
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by Brickhaus on Jun 17, 2009 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I mean there are other differences too...
For instance, a punch that misses against a good shootfighter could result in ver bad news for a boxer. Ring size and shape also are a big factor. You are taught to box in a square, so movement is prioritized to cutting off the ring. There are enough differences in the rules and overall structure to call them completely different sports.
But like I said, all of these rules are subject to agreement by the two fighters. Even within boxing there are many rules that can haggled and negotiated for a fight, and rules that change depending on the venue and commission. For true crossover matches between boxers, MMA fighters, Muay Thai, etc, I imagine that plenty of customized rules would have to be negotiated ahead of time to make both parties happy.
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
by jrok on Jun 17, 2009 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
but whats there to prove? I see no value in a cross over match that results in some hybrid bastardized sport. If an MMA fighter wants to try his hand at boxing, under boxing rules thats fine, and if a boxer wants to get into a cage (or ring if you look at other mma promotions outside UFC), by all means… but customizing rules? That would be like the Yankees playing the Indian Cricket league champs in some baseball/cricket hybrid game… who cares? what would it prove?
Athletes crossing over is like Jordan playing baseball: he wanted to prove to himself he could, and his fans were interested in seeing how athletic the guy really was.
As for different sports, I dont think anyone would argue that with you. MMA has become a style all its own, drawing on elements of various martial arts to suit its needs, much like Krav Maga. The stand up is not traditional kick boxing/boxing/karate as they square up so they can sprawl, the wrestling is different in that they are not trying to pin their opponents and it ends up against the cage, the ju jitsu draws on elements of a sport where half the chokes involve using a gi. By drawing from select elements of these sports, it has become a style all its own
by ryanwk628 on Jun 17, 2009 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, you could do it like MMA 10-15 years ago
When half the guys came into the ring only knowing their one discipline, and a lot of matches really were Muay Thai vs. boxing or Brazilian Jui Jitsu vs. sumo or whatever else.
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by Brickhaus on Jun 17, 2009 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, the generic style of fighting now has killed MMA for me.
It was great seeing Royce Gracie fighting some amazing kickboxer and seeing how their respective styles mixed, merged and clashed. That was the whole appeal of MMA for me. Now that all the fighters are pretty much fighting the same style, with only a slight shifting of emphasis one way or the other with regard their own preferences (groundfighting vs striking), all the fights look the same to me.
Also, would I be right in saying that there only used to be one weight class in UFC?
I remember Gracie (my favourite ever fighter, I think) taking on the world super-heavyweight Judo champion, ending up on his back choking him and he (Royce) looked really tiny in comparison. I really used to love that stuff. (I actually mourned when Royce lost to Sakuraba…)
I suppose what I’m trying to say is that the whole focus of MMA/UFC has changed, and it is no longer about the clash of styles, and weight not being an issue. I used to like it, and now I can’t watch it (with the exception of Fedor, as there is a certain fascination with him. I asked SC a few months back if he thought Fedor was the hardest man alive, and I remember him saying that there might well be some crazy lumberjack in Greenland or somewhere who could take him, but for the moment, yes, he is the hardest man there is. He is really the only one I watch now, and it is more to see whether he can be beaten (morbid curiosity) than to appreciate the aesthetic of the spectacle.)
Boxing is the beginning of all sports. I'm willing to bet that the first sport was a man against another man in a fight. (Omar Epps)
by Chaos100 on Jun 17, 2009 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My memory is fading, but I somewhat remember that in that first UFC, even some of the individual bouts had their own special rules. Wasn’t there stuff along the lines of “If you aren’t going to kick, you can wear shoes,” and rules/options of that nature?
One thing I remember for sure is that you could low blow. I also recall seeing some dude who called himself a “ninja” bum-rushing this one cat and destroying him with 8 or so gruesome elbows to the face.
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
by jrok on Jun 17, 2009 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can it possibly be as good as....
THIS?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75cpv9PQkx8
Boxing is the beginning of all sports. I'm willing to bet that the first sport was a man against another man in a fight. (Omar Epps)
by Chaos100 on Jun 17, 2009 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
or THIS?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTIjnZE-KUA&NR=1
Boxing is the beginning of all sports. I'm willing to bet that the first sport was a man against another man in a fight. (Omar Epps)
by Chaos100 on Jun 17, 2009 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This one is also quite funny, although I'd like to watch it in full speed....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mt1s83Kvr0w&feature=related
And also one after the fight;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzCAyp0O2e8
Gotta love the guy’s minerals, but he should have remembered to protect himself at all times… :)
Boxing is the beginning of all sports. I'm willing to bet that the first sport was a man against another man in a fight. (Omar Epps)
by Chaos100 on Jun 17, 2009 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, THAT was a huge tactical error
That actually made me laugh. How dumb is it to come flying out like that?
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by Brickhaus on Jun 17, 2009 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's so bad, it doesn't even seem real
I mean, Blake Edwards couldn’t have scripted it better… anyone remember those fights Peter Sellers would have with his bodyguard in the Pink Panther? This guy definitely should have been screaming at the top of lungs while he was making his attack run. It would’ve been the funniest 5 second movie ever made.
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
by jrok on Jun 17, 2009 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The dude that came charging across the ring was trying to do this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvCc9A4uhXI
That’s Norifumi “Kid” Yamamoto that was mentioned further up
or this Jose Aldo flying knee KO
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeAjWLnjm0E
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jun 18, 2009 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
These are all good, man
But the “ninja” thing was better, at least for me. I remember watching it with a bunch of my neighbors down in Baltimore. We were all a bunch of boxing heads, so the whole was just floor-to-ceiling craziness for us. You had all these commentators standing around trying to describe exactly what it was this guy was trained in… it was like “Give it a rest, man, you already said he was a ninja.” I mean, with the weird intro and buildup they gave him, we all figured this m’f’er was gonna fade up out of a wall like the Predator and start throwing poison darts at everyone. Then the bout starts and the Ninja just rumbles forward full steam and pounces on the guy like a meth’d up linebacker. The fight had to have lasted less than seven seconds, with blood smeared all over the mat… we were all chanting “Ninja… ninja…ninja.” Good stuff.
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
by jrok on Jun 17, 2009 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Might this be it?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X13Os1eqN2Y
I don’t see a version without the stupid editing and sound effects.
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by Brickhaus on Jun 17, 2009 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here it is without the dumb sound effects
http://www.fightsearch.com/videos/Mixed_Martial_Arts/Scott_Morris_Vs_Pat_Smith
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by Brickhaus on Jun 17, 2009 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Scott Morris' ninja identity
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Morris
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by Brickhaus on Jun 17, 2009 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes!
Thanks, Brick. That’s it. I guess I misremembered which one was the ninja… hell maybe we didn’t even know at the time. For clarity’s sake, the ninja was the one who got smoked like a turkey.
“Ninja… ninja… ninja…ninja….”
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
by jrok on Jun 17, 2009 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that and when a guy that normally comes in at 265 walks into the cage weighing over 300 lbs…..it is too late to un-bet your money and you are officially ******.
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by theworldsoldestsport on Jun 17, 2009 4:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Great article jcrok. I found myself nodding yes to every paragraph you wrote especially about this annoying perception by casual fans that MMA is boxing+
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by Manuwar on Jun 18, 2009 11:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This is impressive
I’m really impressed with SB nation; I’ve been looking for a community composed of smart, respectful fans of MMA and boxing, and I think I finally found it. Very well written article, I’m glad to see that this community hasn’t participated in the flame war I was expecting after seeing Tim go down. This was an intelligent respectful analysis of what was, from the beginning, an absolutely absurd event. I’m primarily an MMA fan, but I’m looking forward to learn more about boxing from this place.
by Shaun32887 on Jul 2, 2009 3:25 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Well, you're definitely in the right place. :)
Boxing is the beginning of all sports. I'm willing to bet that the first sport was a man against another man in a fight. (Omar Epps)
by Chaos100 on Jul 2, 2009 7:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We work with Bloody Elbow as much as possible. I’m a boxing guy first, but am a big MMA fan. We have some nice crossover between the sites and it’s always stayed respectful, except for March Badness, which was just a fun free-for-all bonanza.
Very happy to have you at BLH.
by SC on Jul 2, 2009 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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