Shane Mosley dumps on Pacquiao-Cotto
WBA welterweight titleholder Shane Mosley was interviewed by Julius Stecker of PhilBoxing.com, and "Sugar" was hardly polite or reserved when discussing the imminent fight between Manny Pacquiao and Miguel Cotto.
The fight does not make any sense to me. A fight with me will make more money. I know there have been numbers going on out there like Cotto making 5 or 6 million and Manny making 10,11 or 12. But in a fight with me, he will make more money. Bob Arum is being the puppet master putting this together, but Manny will make more money fighting me.
And why fight Cotto? He almost lost to Joshua Clottey. It was a fight that he easily could have lost. Cotto ran around the ring in the last few rounds. The fight with Cotto is not the best fight for boxing or fight fight fans, or Manny Pacquiao fans. It is the best fight for Bob Arum. Even if you look at Cotto’s gash, do you think it will heal in time? It might just open up again if he fights Pacquiao. The fans need to know that the best and biggest fight in boxing right now is with me.
...I am trying to make the fight happen. I threw a bone out to Pacquiao saying I would fight him at 144. I am the Welterweight Champion of the World, Cotto isn’t. I am the former Pound for Pound champion, Cotto isn’t. Pacquiao is the pound for champion. We should be fighting. Bob Arum is not letting this happen.
There is a part of me that knows this is most likely just a tactic, Shane throwing all his cards on the table and trying to talk his way into a fight with Pacquiao, but there is also part of this that should be discussed as if Shane is just full of it.
- Mosley is not the welterweight champion. He and Cotto are both titleholders, really no different from one another other than Mosley earned his by beating a better fighter (even with Plastergate, Margarito is a damn sight better than Michael Jennings).
- Mosley is not as big a star as Cotto is. This is a sad fact, perhaps, because Sugar Shane has earned a legion of supporters, but they've just never been there. Cotto has the rabid and loyal Puerto Rican fanbase in his corner. Mosley does not have anything close to that.
- That said, it is highly unlikely there is more money in a Pacquiao-Mosley fight than there is Pacquiao-Cotto. Cotto brings more fans, which means a likely higher buyrate. Either fight would sell out in Vegas, largely due to the presence of Pacquiao.
- Yeah, Cotto almost lost to Joshua Clottey. But he didn't.
- Cotto beat Mosley in 2007 in a close, epic fight that had great action, real drama, and was one of the best fights of that year. But nobody thinks Mosley won that fight.
All that aside, Mosley just really wants this fight, and you cannot blame him for that. Shane has made a career of fighting top opponents. When no one on earth would TOUCH a fight with Winky Wright, Mosley fought him. He lost and fought him again, and lost again. Three men have been able to beat Mosley: Wright (twice), Vernon Forrest (twice) and Cotto.
It's not like Miguel Cotto is some bum. Taking Plastergate into account now, Cotto's only loss is treated with skepticism at this point. Cotto beat Mosley. Cotto fought Margarito, fought Clottey, fought a then-unbeaten Carlos Quintana -- he's another guy that fights the best fighters he can. And you can make a good argument that Mosley and Cotto are really 1A and 1B in the welterweight rankings.
Mosley accuses Arum of lying to the public with this fight, and says that Pacquiao-Mosley is "much bigger" than Pacquiao-Cotto. When the years pass, it may well have turned out that that would have been the case. As far as all-time standing goes, Mosley is miles ahead of Cotto for the time being. But Cotto is in his prime. Mosley is nearing 40.
It's a toss-up in terms of promising action, being a great fight, being a desirable fight, etc., so it comes down to business. And Shane and everyone else at Golden Boy understand that Bob Arum makes more money with Pacquiao-Cotto. If those same Golden Boy folks think the public doesn't get that, they're mistaken. We get it.
No one is saying Pacquiao-Mosley wouldn't be a great fight. But why pretend Pacquiao-Cotto won't be a great fight? Saying these things won't make Pacquiao-Mosley happen. Unless Cotto breaks his legs jogging up and down stairs or something, it's simply not a possibility for this year.
Mosley also notes, as he likes to do, that he loves his job. Well, then fight. He knows for a fact that the Pacquiao sweepstakes are over. Clottey's out there. Berto's out there. Williams is out there. Right now, all he's doing is spending precious time slamming another fight, and in turn not fighting.
Final note: Bob Arum has said that the Pacquiao-Cotto weight will be 144 or 145 pounds.
Let's include a poll, too.
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Shane’s in a tough spot, but truth be told, I doubt he goes after Berto or Clottey. I fear he may now believe that he’ll get PBF after he fights Marquez; of course, I don’t think Floyd takes that fight either, electing to take a crack at the Pac-Cotto winner. Assuming Pac beats Cotto (which is of course by no means certain), I can see Mosley-Cotto II happening.
by The Boxer Rebellion on Jun 19, 2009 8:19 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Pretty much
Hopefully, he schedules an interim fight as soon as possible so he has the same availability as everyone else, but he’s not getting younger.
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by Brickhaus on Jun 19, 2009 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The question is
does he actually take a risk in that interim fight? I think he’d have his hands completely full against Clottey, and while I’d probably favor him over Berto, that would also be far from a cakewalk. Shane isn’t going to let go of this dream of a mega-fight anytime soon, it appears, so it’s hard to see him risking what he perceives as the possibility of a big payday to fight one of those guys. Frankly, the only way I see him getting a megafight is the unlikely combo of a Marquez win over Mayweather, AND a Cotto win over Pac, which would then make Cotto-Mosley II much more important and viable. Of course, JMM/Cotto might STILL be a bigger and more sought after fight in that scenario. Golden Boy needs to explain this to Shane ASAP so that we don’t see Mosley go into Winky Wright mode. As a long time fan of Mosley, I sure hope he doesn’t waste some of the last years of his career waiting for the fight that never comes.
by The Boxer Rebellion on Jun 19, 2009 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sour Grapes Shane..
Its just a bigger attraction at this stage.
I watch Pac/Cotto/Mosely/Marquez/Mayweather bash each other in any order. All nice fights.
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by dinkman on Jun 19, 2009 8:53 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
shane only has himself to blame
he can’t/refused to lose weight, so tough titty, shane. time to move on. manny certainly has.
good news is that theres plenty of fights out there for him, clottty, berto, mayweather, calazzo, williams, etc.
by sonofapsycho on Jun 19, 2009 10:01 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He said he'd be willing to drop to 142
So I don’t think that’s true. All that said, as soon as Cotto showed vulnerability against Clottey, Mosley has to have known that he was out of the running, especially after looking like Superman against Margarito. That he did so well in that fight is really hurting his ability to get other fights, IMO.
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by Brickhaus on Jun 19, 2009 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i dont think he did
last thing i seen was an interview with freddy and shane and freddy asked if he could make 142 and he said no and that was the end of that.
by sonofapsycho on Jun 19, 2009 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
He’s saying it now, which is too little, too late.
by SC on Jun 19, 2009 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
is he?
i must of missed it.
what a dumbass. he missed the gravy train for sure.
by sonofapsycho on Jun 19, 2009 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
223-56 Cotto in that poll right now
The Pacquiao fans (that’s where the referrals are coming from, as per usual — thank you, Pacquiao fans!) are speaking quite loudly.
by SC on Jun 19, 2009 11:17 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i actually picked mosley
i think its more interesting a fight because of shanes speed. i still like pac huge if they would fight though.
i’m thinking cotto gets blasted with shots similar to hatton. he’ll last longer for sure but he just eats too many shots to deal with pac.
by sonofapsycho on Jun 19, 2009 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I picked Mosley too. I have nothing in the world against the Cotto fight really, and I think a boiled-down Mosley probably gets beat on for 12 rounds (I cannot for the life of me see him quitting), but Shane’s just one of my favorite fighters and I like his speed, plus his response to getting hit, which is to start throwing hands.
by SC on Jun 19, 2009 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree and that's why I picked Mosley as well
The aesthetics of that fight would likely please me more than a Cotto fight. I think Cotto will get whipped on. Even if he wisely tries to stay away and pick his shots, Pac is just to swarming while cutting off the ring at the same time. Mosley would bang with him, and would have the proverbial puncher’s chance because of that hand speed.
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by Pops Daniels on Jun 19, 2009 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Add one for Mosley
as well, just because I think his speed would give him something resembling a chance. But truth be told, I think both guys get mowed down by PacMan.
by The Boxer Rebellion on Jun 19, 2009 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I checked our stats not that long ago
And Badlefthook is something like the 3500th most popular website in the Philippines.
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by Brickhaus on Jun 19, 2009 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Pacquiao fan sites pick up most everything Pacquiao (or other Filipino fighter, or Barrera/Morales/Marquez) related and they drive a ton of traffic.
by SC on Jun 19, 2009 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
At least Cotto is in his prime and younger.
If Pacquiao fought Mosley everyone will once again make excuses.. Mosley got old, or past his prime etc.. Pacquiao will be fighting a younger and a prime fighter in Cotto whose only loss was to a fighter that may have cheated. Cotto is better for Pacquiao’s legacy if he does win.
by wrakneelyo on Jun 19, 2009 12:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Agreed. It seems like it only takes one fight and someone is instantly an old fighter past his prime. If Pac beat Mosley convincingly then thats what would be said and it would kind of take away from the fight. If Pac beats Cotto convincingly it just goes down as another masterful job by Pac.
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by Manuwar on Jun 19, 2009 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Honestly the first thing I’d “blame” is that Shane Mosley cannot possibly make an under-147 pound limit comfortably anymore. If Cotto is clearly affected by cutting two or three more pounds, that won’t surprise me either, and it will deserve to be mentioned.
by SC on Jun 19, 2009 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm struggling with Cotto's weight
In all the build-up to Cotto-Clottey, Cotto was talked of as a small welterweight (as appossed to Clottey who is definitely a big welterweight).
Also, just to get a bugbear off my chest. why does Pacquiao get a free ride for asking for fighters to come down to catchweight when Mayweather is barracked for the opposite equivalent. (I don’t mean from any one on here in particular, just in general)?
Yes, Pacquiao has done much to deserve his position as crown prince conquerer of boxing but is going up so much tougher than coming down in weight?
by Brett87 on Jun 19, 2009 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree with that
I think Mosley’s record of opponents is much better than Cotto’s, and Mosley is still quite the fighter. I say he has much more of a chance than Cotto even now. When Pacquiao beats Cotto, I don’t see it adding to his legacy and more than his win over a weak De La Hoya or Hatton. I know it’s early and he’s only had two fights since then, but I also think Cotto has lost some serious aggression. In the Margarito fight and the last one against Clottey, he had a few rounds where all he did was run away. He is not the type of fighter who can do this and get away it with. (But somehow he has so far, which I cannot find an explanation for.)
by SkeedTom on Jun 19, 2009 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
don't know how i did that,
but the reply was supposed to be to Wrankneelyo above
by SkeedTom on Jun 19, 2009 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What a bizarre thing to say
I think Mosley’s record of opponents is much better than Cotto’s
Of course it is. Winky Wright also has a much better record of opponents than Paul Williams. Shane’s been in the game 10 years longer than Cotto, and he’s fought 17 more fights than Cotto. Not sure what that has to do with which fight is better for Pacquiao right now. Cotto has had 8 fights at welterweight, he’s faced 5 top 10 guys (including 3 of the other 4 top-5ers), and he’s about to face the current pound-for-pound king. Shane’s only fought 3 current top 10 welters.
Criticizing Cotto for his record of opponents is insane. Nobody has a better resume against current welters than Cotto. Only Manos de Concreta is close.
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by BLee2525 on Jun 20, 2009 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i’d rather see pac-cotto cuz ive been waiting to see cotto get destroyed since he-who-shall-not-be-named destroyed him last year (though that destruction is now void)
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by battle axe of doom on Jun 19, 2009 3:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
About 1300 votes cast so far
Wow, a very popular poll. Almost all for Cotto, too.
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by jrok on Jun 19, 2009 5:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
people love to vote, dude
It’s a fact of the internet.
by SC on Jun 19, 2009 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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