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Our bloody buddies at Bloody Elbow discuss Tim Sylvia's asinine assertions that he might move to boxing full time. ESPN criticizes the talks as well.

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his boxing in mma is sub-standard. Fedor dropped him as did Couture, and Arlovski(twice). He has no hope in pro boxing.

" Man is not made for defeat. A man can be destroyed but not defeated "
- Hemingway

by Hellsing on Jun 2, 2009 2:42 PM EDT reply actions  

i agree..

but a lot of mma fighters have sub-standard boxing. imho, watching their style seems so unconventional and sloppy. but i guess thats part of mma?

by jerranamo on Jun 2, 2009 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Most MMA fighters do arm punches and that will not cut it.

"Boxing is dirty," said Casamayor. " The day I’m not ready to be a dirty fighter is the day I don’t fight anymore because it will mean that I have no heart for it anymore."

by Zocalo on Jun 2, 2009 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

My understanding is it takes you out of position where you're vulnerable to takedown

if you put your weight behind it like a boxer would. That could just be my misconception though. I barely watch MMA.

Vogt early, Vogt often.

by Brickhaus on Jun 2, 2009 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

You’re right. MMA fighters also tend to mostly come from grappling backgrounds, so they would have only started doing boxing or kickboxing much later in their careers.

Keep firing Assholes!

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by Ubernoober on Jun 2, 2009 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

It depends. If Juan Urango could wrestle he'd be perfect for MMA

because in MMA its greatly beneficial to square up more to your opponent to help stop takedowns. If you fight in a typical 1 leg forward boxing stance with one leg out in front of the other it makes it more difficult to avoid takedowns as you’re leaving a big target for wrestlers out in front of your body. To negate this you have to have a very fast sprawl and have enough power and good enough boxing/muay thai/kickboxing to make it worthwhile to risk leaving your leg out like that.

Arlovski has decent hands and a lightning quick sprawl so he’ll fight less squared up in a more traditional stance (if only he wasn’t china chinned). Anderson Silva often fights 1 leg out but that’s because his most dangerous weapon is knees from the clinch so when somebody shoots on him they are just as vulnerable if generally not more so than he is… Prime Mirko Crocop Filipovic was an example of a standup fighter that was able to compete in MMA while fighting in a boxing/kickboxing stance instead of squared up because his sprawl was even better than Arlovski’s.

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jun 3, 2009 2:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Has he fought Mercer yet?

"Boxing is dirty," said Casamayor. " The day I’m not ready to be a dirty fighter is the day I don’t fight anymore because it will mean that I have no heart for it anymore."

by Zocalo on Jun 2, 2009 3:23 PM EDT reply actions  

I think that Mercer can KO him… Syliva seems to be chinny….

"Boxing is dirty," said Casamayor. " The day I’m not ready to be a dirty fighter is the day I don’t fight anymore because it will mean that I have no heart for it anymore."

by Zocalo on Jun 2, 2009 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Eh his chin is actually decent.

Fedor hit Sylvia with about the same punch he hit Arlovski with. AA is chinny. He went to sleep in mid-air. Sylvia just didn’t wanna get hit with anymore of them and turned and fell.

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jun 2, 2009 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not yet, it’s in a couple of weeks

" Man is not made for defeat. A man can be destroyed but not defeated "
- Hemingway

by Hellsing on Jun 2, 2009 3:55 PM EDT reply actions  

Is this the guy from that used car commercial?

"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb

by jrok on Jun 2, 2009 4:41 PM EDT reply actions  

Test

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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."

by Brickhaus on Jun 3, 2009 1:35 AM EDT reply actions  

Go Ray!

I hope Mercer cains him-Tommy Morrison style. Hit him with ya stick Ray.

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by dinkman on Jun 3, 2009 6:29 AM EDT reply actions  

That would be great, but if it starts to go that way, I hope the ref stops it a little sooner Mercer-Morrison… that was a brutal murder scene, and was definitely a very late stoppage… Morrison could’ve been killed.

"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb

by jrok on Jun 3, 2009 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Most Brutal KO ever? ..got to be up there

Totally agree. Who was the ref? Was it Tony Perez?. I cant remember but i can remember him calmly tapping Ray on the back while Morrison was trapped on ropes. Sick. I would of been swinging round Mercers neck to stop him.

When you dream ,anything is possible. People can fly. Theres a moment when you wake and you are still dreaming. You may think you can fly but you better not try...

by dinkman on Jun 3, 2009 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes

It was Perez… who was also the ref in the brutal stoppage of Kenny Norton by Gerry Cooney… that was also incredibly late, with Norton hung up and being savagely murdered. I have mixed feelings about Perez because of these stoppages.

"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb

by jrok on Jun 3, 2009 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

Perez...

Man…i forgot about Norton-Cooney Jrok. Ya know i dont know which one is the worst. I mean Poor Ken was almost sat down on bottom turnbuckle and taking monster uppercuts.
Perez seems to be one of these refs that forgets he is one and just watchs..

When you dream ,anything is possible. People can fly. Theres a moment when you wake and you are still dreaming. You may think you can fly but you better not try...

by dinkman on Jun 3, 2009 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ike Williams vs. Beau Jack one of the worst, latest stoppages ever in my book. It’s frankly just obscene to watch. It was as though the referee was waiting for Ike to literally beat Beau to death. You could see that even Ike was freaked out by it towards the end.. .“You mean you want me to keep going????”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBIs09wpbIw

"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb

by jrok on Jun 3, 2009 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Freaky. I was just looking for this one.Could not remember who Jack was fighting. I saw this years ago on a HBO Mike Tyson greatest knockout Video.

When you dream ,anything is possible. People can fly. Theres a moment when you wake and you are still dreaming. You may think you can fly but you better not try...

by dinkman on Jun 3, 2009 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

One more then i got to concentrate on work….

Rudock-Dokes. No need to take the final “smash”.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkpaKxO5rjA

When you dream ,anything is possible. People can fly. Theres a moment when you wake and you are still dreaming. You may think you can fly but you better not try...

by dinkman on Jun 3, 2009 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Heh

We really are on the same wavelength today. I was just thinking of that one…. winding up like Babe Ruth. I’m not saying that referees should be overprotective den mothers, but that sort of refereeing does not do the sport any favors in my opinion.

"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb

by jrok on Jun 3, 2009 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

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