Ranking the Heavyweights: June 24, 2009
Divisional rankings are a lot of fun for me to do, and then to discuss when folks feel I'm giving someone the shaft or overrating someone else, but every time I do the heavyweights it feels like half a chore. The other half is quite enjoyable, because heavyweight is such a two-man division at this point that if someone comes along and actually beats one of the Klitschkos (particularly Brother No. 1), it will send shockwaves through the sport. So that's nice. But until then...
I might be kind of short with the comments, but it's mostly because there's nothing to say about these guys that hasn't already been said. Or I'll get rambling. Who knows?!
1. Wladimir Klitschko (53-3, 47 KO, Ring Magazine World Champion)
When Klitschko was crowned the sport's first legitimate world heavyweight champion in about half a decade this past Saturday, we fans watching in America could barely maintain our excitement. Here was a man from Kazakhstan, fighting out of the Ukraine, largely based now in Germany, but he had become our champion. With American heavyweight boxing in such a state of distress, Klitschko's numerous exciting knockouts had captivated our hearts for years. Like a giant, white, foreign Mike Tyson, this man was lightning in a bottle personified, the sort of heavyweight about whom they make movies. Parades marched down nine U.S. cities as the new champ toured the country that has so adoringly taken him in...
OK, I'll stop.
2. Vitali Klitschko (37-2, 36 KO)
Folks are often fond of remembering Vitali as some sort of monster entertainer thanks to his bloody fight with Lennox Lewis, but since his comeback his fights have been Wladimir clones. He jabbed and thudded on Samuel Peter until Peter quit, and he slowly but surely scored a pretty dominant, pretty boring knockout of Juan Carlos Gomez. If in some other dimension the two of them were Wladimir Jones and Vitali Smith (or however someone put it the last time I talked about this a few months ago) and could fight one another, you know who would win? Nobody, because they would duck one another.
3. David Haye (22-1, 21 KO)
All the fears of Haye having too dodgy a chin to survive at heavyweight have gone overboard, I think. He once lost a fight years ago and has been tagged a few times since then, but he's also got wicked power, and not the sort of lumbering, heavy power that comes from the fists of the Klitschkos and other big boy heavyweights, be they muscle men or chubsters. Haye has cobra strike power, some of the fastest hands in the division, and could literally run circles around a lot of guys up here. I'm not saying it would surprise me if either Klitschko put him out in the first round, but it would happen because Haye would do something nobody else has been too willing to do against them: Take a f***ing risk, for God's sake. And I don't think anyone else is good enough to be anything close to a truly heavy favorite against him.
4. Tony Thompson (32-2, 20 KO)
Tony Thompson has grown on me after watching Wlad's last two fights against Hasim Rahman and Ruslan Chagaev. Thompson may not have gotten much accomplished last July against Klitschko, but he wasn't embarrassingly out of the fight by the time he was stopped. He fights like a guy who's 37 and a southpaw without big power, but what's surprising about that is he came into boxing really late in his life, so you'd expect him to still be extremely rough around the edges against a top level foe. But he gave Klitschko a few uncomfortable looks.
5. Ruslan Chagaev (25-1-1, 17 KO)
Shamefully, Chagaev can't really go any lower than this, because who else is there? He's never been an exciting fighter, and I had a conversation with a fellow fan a few years ago who really bought into all the "White Tyson" B.S. about Chagaev, which alarmed me because I hadn't yet taken him for such a gullible dullard. Like every other guy who carries a Tyson-influenced nickname in boxing, he's not anything like Mike Tyson. He was just putrid against Klitschko.
6. John Ruiz (43-8-1, 29 KO)
Oh, I know. Believe me: I know. "The Quiet Man" has lost three of five, but you really can argue he won every single one of those three losses, and if you don't believe me, ask him. Yet another guy in boxing with an ill-fitting nickname, since the last thing Ruiz does (besides put on good fights) is shut up. I think my long-term impression of Ruiz will be that he was a man who could hang in there for 12 rounds with anybody, and make just enough not happen in the fight on both sides that he could bitch and moan about not getting the win.
7. Chris Arreola (27-0, 24 KO)
He's a flabby dude who seems to be indifferent to training much, but he's an exciting flabby dude who seems to be indifferent to training much. Arreola would get manhandled by Wladimir Klitschko and need to hope that Vital's back was stiffer than Bill Paxton's acting, but whatever. Who else doesn't probably get dominated by them?
8. Alexander Povetkin (17-0, 12 KO)
The former Olympic gold medalist has decided that now is the best time to cash in the chips at Casino Klitschko, as he appears likely to be Wladimir's next victim opponent. At 6'2" without much power and not much by way of getting inside on a longer man, Povetkin is in for a long night.
9. Eddie Chambers (34-1, 18 KO)
I still really feel Eddie Chambers should have beaten Povetkin when they fought, but he didn't and it was his own damn fault. I believe he's the better boxer. For some reason ESPN's boxing page has a poll up right now asking readers who they'd most like to see Wladimir face next, and Chambers is included. He had 6% of the votes last I checked.
10. Alexander Dimitrenko (29-0, 19 KO)
Dimitrenko is Chambers' next opponent, which thanks to BoxRec rankings of the two of them is dubbed a "five-star fight" on that site. It is not quite that significant, but it sets up a new mandatory for Wladimir's WBO title. Chambers will have to beat Dimitrenko on rival turf in Germany, which won't be easy. Add in that Dimitrenko is 6'7" and it becomes even trickier.
There are a million guys I could put into the "You Coulda Been a Contender..." area that I usually do with these top ten lists, but I'm not going to bother. Random thoughts on "other" heavyweights instead:
Shut up, James Toney, and go away. ... Fres Oquendo may be the unluckiest fighter in the sport. ... Nikolai Valuev isn't ranked because he doesn't deserve all of those 50 wins, particularly Ruiz and even ancient Evander Holyfield. He's a giant bum. In some ways he's the new Primo Carnera. Where's his Max Baer? ... Oleg Maskaev's status as WBC mandatory is as laughable now as it was when he received it between fights against Robert Hawkins and Rich Boruff. ... I think Sultan Ibragimov is at whatever therapy ranch that Sergei Liakhovich went to after he lost his alphabet strap. ... Even though he's 3-0 since that left handed pummeling from Wlad, if Ray Austin ever gets another world title shot, I quit the heavyweights. ... Juan Carlos Gomez sure lived up to all those promises for his fight with Vitali, huh? ... Samuel Peter is now fairly irrelevant. ... I'm warming up to Kevin Johnson, and I still really like Monte Barrett. ... Lamon Brewster! What a world. ... Kali Meehan might get a title shot. Unbelievable. ... Anyone putting any money down on David Tua-Shane Cameron not happening? ... Hasim Rahman should probably just retire or fight Tim Sylvia. ... 23-year old Denis Boytsov ain't never bothered nobody. That will probably change in time. I love you, heavyweights. ... Odlanier Solis shouldn't bother calling out the Klitschkos until he can stop going up to thirds at the buffet. ... Why not Andrew Golota-Oliver McCall? I'd pay $5 to webcast that one.
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My top 10
Looks a little different…
1. Wladimir Klitschko
2. Vitali Klitschko
3. Alexander Povetkin
4. Tony Thompson
5. Nicolai Valuev
6. David Haye
7. Ruslan Chagaev
8. Alexander Dimitrenko
9. Eddie Chambers
10. Cristobal Arreola
- would be Kali Meehan. This is a pathetic weight class. I honestly think that after the first 2, this is a weaker crop of fighters than the group that Tyson cleared out in the late ‘80s, or that Holmes cleared out in the late ’70’s.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Formatting
number 11 is Meehan, that is.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Chagaev
should be ahead of Valuev…he did beat him. I know it is tempting to downgrade Chagaev after last weekend, but Valuev surely would fare no better against Wlad. In fact, I think he might get knocked out inside of two or three rounds.
by The Boxer Rebellion on Jun 24, 2009 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions
You're probably right
Part of it is just my feeling that Chagaev has looked like absolute crap lately. At least Valuev had a convincing win over Lyakhovich. I thought Chagaev got somewhat of a gift against Drumond, and he looked atrocious against Sprott.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Really, we're just rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic
these guys are all atrocious. Can we talk about Pac-Cotto now?
by The Boxer Rebellion on Jun 24, 2009 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh no you didn't
just rank Ruiz #6. ARE YOU TRYING TO ENCOURAGE HIM?
I also think the Tony Thompson ranking is a bit too high. Yes, he fought Wlad well, but that was because his size threw a few wrenches into Wlad’s standard strategy of keeping his opponent well at bay with a left jab and then throwing a one-two twice a round. He was still able to do it, but just not as effectively. I’d put Arreola and Povetkin ahead of him.
by The Boxer Rebellion on Jun 24, 2009 9:46 AM EDT reply actions
I think Thompson's resume is a lot stronger than Arreola's
Arreola just seems unproven to me still. He fought a bunch of undefeated guys, but Walker got quickly KOed in one fight, McCline showed up for a paycheck, and Garcia got his ass whupped even quicker by Dimitrenko. Also, I suspect that most of the Euro boxers would just move laterally and outbox him, nailing him in the head constantly. He has a better chance of beating Wlad than those guys due to style, but in terms of skills, he’s just not there yet.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Fair enough
And what is happening with Thompson? I suppose he kind of hurt himself in a way by staying semi-competitive with Wlad, because I can’t see any of the other guys (Haye, Arreola, Valuev, etc) lining up to fight him now.
by The Boxer Rebellion on Jun 24, 2009 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Heavyweight is full of has-beens and boxers who never were and never will be very good. Virtually none of the fighters listed are on an upward curve in their careers. Part of the problem is that heavyweights have no need to keep in prime condition to make weight for their fights. The real problem though, is that it is still revered as boxing’s ‘marquee’ division, with all the extra coverage that comes with it, particularly the televising of fights that are clearly going to be ‘methodical’ at best. Middleweight is in a similar situation at the moment, with a weak division dominated by a couple of fighters, but it is simply being ignored for hot divisions such as super middleweight and the welterweight area.
But since none of that is likely to change, I’m rooting for David Haye to liven things up. Still, 3 is perhaps a bit high for a guy who’s only wins at this weight have come over Tomasz Bonin and Monte Barret
sad top 10
yikes. this division is as bad as it was in the early 80s pre mike tyson.
i think you’re ranking ruiz way too high. hes not even top 15 anymore. haye is a bit too high as well. he just hasn’t done anything of significance in the division yet. Povetikin is way underrated. id flip flop him and haye.
id rank vitali higher than wlad too. i think vitali’s dominance over same peter after 3 years off is more impressive than anything wlad has done since his last loss to brewster.
guess my top 10 would be.
1. Vitali
2. Wlad
3. Povetkin
4. Thompson
5. Arreola
6. Haye
7. Chambers
8.Chagaev
9. Peter
10. Dimitrenko
Past the top two (in whichever order), you could put an entirely different eight guys in the top ten and it’s pretty much the same deal. “Bunch of guys the Klitschkos probably own.”
by Scott Christ on Jun 24, 2009 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions
i dunno
sorta agree but both are not world beaters in my opinion. someone with size and punch can beat them. haye and povetkin i think are the best bets. the thompsons, arreola, chambers, thompson and chagaev’s of the world stand very little chance.
by sonofapsycho on Jun 24, 2009 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Then
Why didn’t Lennox Lewis convincingly beat Vitali? Face it. Despite the fact that they are not American and not the light on their feet boxer/puncher that everybody loves to romanticize as the perfect heavyweight BOTH of these guys would be greats in ANY era. Whats that you say? Thats just because of their size? Well too damn bad, they are big and know how to utilize it and if it was just size Valuev would be the greatest fighter ever.
Marciano was only great because he had an iron chin and a sledgehammers for hands and Ali was only great because he was faster than everybody.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jun 25, 2009 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions
???
i have no idea what you’re talking about, buddy.
you’re going off on this size kick that i can wrap my head around and went off on how they are not american and i cant for the life of me figure what its in reference to what i said.
all i said a guy whos going to stand a chance against them is going to have to have some size and power.
by sonofapsycho on Jun 25, 2009 4:13 AM EDT up reply actions
The "whats that you say"
Is in response to the ungodly number of times i’ve heard it said from many, many people that neither would be any good if they weren’t so big. Well if wishes were fishes we could feed the world. The guys are big and damn good and it works for them. I responded to you as you said neither are world beaters and I would challenge that both would be contenders in any generation sans perhaps the 70s in which their were bad style matchups for them. You basically speculated that any big guy with a punch could beat them. Well Lennox Lewis was a pretty big guy with a good punch and it took a flukey cut for him to beat Vit and he never rematched him. The only other “Big guy with a punch” that is on that level in recent memory would be prime Riddick Bowe or George Frazier. Wow thats a horrrrrrrrible list
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jun 26, 2009 1:15 AM EDT up reply actions
George Frazier
I’m guessing you meant Foreman. Frazier was kind of small… that was part of his problem. I would pick Wlad Klitschko to frustrate and maybe even KO Frazier, as much as I love Smokin’ Joe.
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
I would pick Wlad Klitschko to frustrate and maybe even KO Frazier, as much as I love Smokin’ Joe.
Blasphemy!
by sonofapsycho on Jun 26, 2009 1:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Seventh and Federal
That’s where I am from. Can’t do blasphemy around the corner from Geno’s (F Pat’s).
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
oh god
geno’s my ass. they still haven’t figured out how to cut the steak.
pats is shit too. i’m a johns roast pork guy all the way.
grew up at 16th and moore btw.
by sonofapsycho on Jun 26, 2009 2:01 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't know about "still"
I mean, I’ve lived in New York for about twelve years now, and before that I lived in Baltimore for a few. The Geno’s I remember knew what the f they were doing with a cheesesteak… I can’t get an actual cheesesteak in NY… they don’t know shit here.
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
its been years
maybe 5 or 6, since i even went to those dumps but genos was always the shitter of the two. jim’s is even better than both of them.
you cant even get a good roll anywhere outside of philly let alone a good cheesesteak.
by sonofapsycho on Jun 26, 2009 2:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Amoroso, baby!
Everything else might as well be a baked turd to me.
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
Just for the record
I think Pat’s is better than Geno’s… My buddy raved about Tony Luke’s but I didn’t see the appeal compared to the delicious greaseball I got from Pat’s.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jun 26, 2009 2:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Just for the record
I grew up within spitting distance of these joints. I know what I like.
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
yuck
tony lukes is dog shit. i wouldn’t feed a pet pig their cheesesteak.
johns roast pork is the place to go.
by sonofapsycho on Jun 26, 2009 2:19 AM EDT up reply actions
LOL thanks
yes Foreman… Though Smokin Joe Frazier would be a nightmare matchup for Wlad as even Ali’s jab didn’t land with great regularity against Joe’s fantastic head movement.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jun 26, 2009 2:09 AM EDT up reply actions
so
both klits would beat foreman?
you’ve lost your mind. foreman would eat both them up and grill their asses up on his grill.
by sonofapsycho on Jun 26, 2009 2:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Um did I say that??? I don't think I said anywhere that either would beat Foreman
I think Foreman would thump at least Wlad or it would be a war for the ages as Wlad desperate trys to KO Foreman before he gets blasted out.
Maybe you noticed the part where I said only in the 70’s the Klits wouldn’t be in the top 3.
1. Frazier
2. Ali
3. Foreman
4. Wlad/Vit
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jun 26, 2009 2:19 AM EDT up reply actions
ok
i thought thats where you going. my bad
by sonofapsycho on Jun 26, 2009 2:20 AM EDT up reply actions
I particularly like the part
Where I have Ali ranked 2 after the man that turned him into a zombie despite losing on paper.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jun 26, 2009 2:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Wlad would beat Foreman
Not Vitali.
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
oh boy
no. just no.
corrie sanders ring a bell?
george would just destroy wlad. it wouldn’t be pretty at all.
by sonofapsycho on Jun 26, 2009 2:21 AM EDT up reply actions
That's Pre-Knronked Wlad you're talking about
I thought you meant Wlad now.
Also, shit, are we talking about pre-or-post grill Foreman… this is where it gets tricky.
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
I think Wlad would have to let it all hang out
to have a chance against Foreman. His jab wouldn’t keep Foreman outside for 12 rounds… He’d have to be fighting on “please god don’t let me gas” mode all night long
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jun 26, 2009 2:25 AM EDT up reply actions
I think Wlad would have to let it all hang out
theres an oxymoron if i ever heard one.
by sonofapsycho on Jun 26, 2009 2:27 AM EDT up reply actions
He was doing that to Brewster the first time
When I saw one of the most bizarre gassings i’ve ever seen. Wlad looked like he went into insulin shock in the ring he gassed so hard.
(Not to say I completely discount something being fishy with that fight… there are still alot of funny things that surrounded that)
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jun 26, 2009 2:29 AM EDT up reply actions
"Pre-Kronked"
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
Corrie was also a southie
Who were the power punching southpaws that Foreman beat?
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
Corrie is criminally underrated
If he had been dedicated to the sport and being in shape the guy could have been fantastic. He had devastating power.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jun 26, 2009 2:30 AM EDT up reply actions
The 7 fights prior to Vitaly getting vengence
He lost to Rahman in 7 and blew away 6 other guys including Wlad in 1 or 2 rounds each
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jun 26, 2009 2:32 AM EDT up reply actions
he had chin
and heart problems too. nate tubbs beat his ass in his mid career. nate tubbs by the way is another guy that is a “what could have been guy” as well. hes more known as a mike tyson sparring partner and tonys brother.
he cared more about golfing than fighting.
he will always have that beautiful ass beating over wlad though.
by sonofapsycho on Jun 26, 2009 2:39 AM EDT up reply actions
The thing that Jersey Joe Walcott is most famous for
Is getting robbed against Joe Louis the first time. Well at least most famous for AFTER getting his brains ejected through his ear in the 13th round by Marciano. But at least he always has that beautiful ass beating he laid on Joe Louis the first time.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jun 26, 2009 2:41 AM EDT up reply actions
he also
nearly decapitated ezzard charles with a left hook. theres an awesome photo of that punch somewhere online, i couldn’t find it on a quick google search.
he was also the ref in the ali/liston 2 cluster fuck.
he was a damn good fighter.
by sonofapsycho on Jun 26, 2009 2:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Its not a left hook
But here is a good photo of it… Is it the iconic boxing picture where the guy’s face is all distorted from the blow? I haven’t seen that picture in so long I don’t even know who’s in it now.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jun 26, 2009 3:01 AM EDT up reply actions
thats not it
its the one where ezzards head is at about at the back of his neck.
i remember seeing it for the first time in a ring magazine when i was kid.
by sonofapsycho on Jun 26, 2009 3:09 AM EDT up reply actions
heres the vid of it
you can tell how sick it is but the photo is one of the most amazing things ive ever seen.
by sonofapsycho on Jun 26, 2009 3:13 AM EDT up reply actions
YEOUCHHH
Had never seen that KO. One of the most single brutal KO punches i’ve seen. It was a left hook uppercut that realistically could have broken a normal mans neck
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jun 26, 2009 4:58 AM EDT up reply actions
pre kronk
post kronk, pre or post the vasoline on my legs made me get knocked out, southpaw, doesn’t make a difference. i like foreman huge.
by sonofapsycho on Jun 26, 2009 2:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Vasoline?
Jesus.
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
vaseline?
whatever.
that was his piss poor excuse he used
by sonofapsycho on Jun 26, 2009 2:35 AM EDT up reply actions
When in reality
Somebody from Don King’s camp got a credential and slipped insulin into Wlad’s water.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jun 26, 2009 2:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Crazy betting lines right before the fight...
Missing credential from wlad’s camp… = Don King shenanigans
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jun 26, 2009 2:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Put it this way
Present-Wlad beats and boxes rings around Rumble in the Jungle Foreman, but Wlad2000 gets housed by the same guy. Vitali busts up and beats (or gets robbed) against Foreman the Grill Salesman, but gets bloodied and mainly beaten up by Voodoo cursed George.
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
Agreed on all counts
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
See this is an interesting arguement
Vit took Lewis’s best shot… And while Wlad’s chin isn’t glass we know its not as good as Vit’s. So, would Wlad be better suited to overwhelm Foreman with offense, because I love Wlad, and I’m pretty sure his chin wouldn’t hold up to more than a couple clubbing Foreman punches or would Vit be better suited because he might be able to take a good few from Foreman and trade back and possibly outlast him.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jun 26, 2009 2:22 AM EDT up reply actions
george frazier
he was awesome. i remember his fight with rocky ali. classic back and forth, give and take brawl.
by sonofapsycho on Jun 26, 2009 1:46 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah yeah
Freudian slip because the 70’s is about the only era I could see the Klits not being in the top 3 heavyweights in.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jun 26, 2009 2:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah but Haye has no size and Povetkin has no power. Johnson has size but doesn’t pack a big punch either. I think he could pose some stylistic problems for Vitali, but I also figure he’d be an easy night for Wlad. You are right that Wlad would eat Chambers for breakfast. Arreola in his current state has about a one-in-ten shot of beating Wlad. If the fight goes past five rounds, that probably drops to 1-in-100. I’m a little curious about this Odlanier mofo, but he’s several dozen rounds too light and pounds too heavy right now… somebody got to get these guys an aerobics tape.
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
haye has the power to hurt them (especially wlad) plus the quickness most of top 10 dont have to get inside (vitali especially) and povetkin the size for sure to be competitive in a jabbing contest with wlad or vitali. thats why i mentioned those two as the guys who can beat them.
solis is damn good, hes the future in my opinion but its way to early to be talking about him though. he needs much more experience and a proper diet.
by sonofapsycho on Jun 26, 2009 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Okay, but no way does Povetkin have the size… my god he’s smaller than Haye. Haye hasn’t sold me as a proper heavyweight yet, and it’s not just because of his height which is okay. If you look at his proportions… the size of his wrist and neck… there’s something artificial about his size. I don’t mean “steroids”, I just mean he’s not naturally as big a guy as Wlad or Vitali. He’s not small, but he’s not big either. Povetkin is short by todays heavyweight standards, and mostly looks loaded up with baby fat. He is like Chambers… a guy with some skill but also some serious physical shortcomings and some question about his actual love for the sport. I would not be betting even a dime on Povetkin beating Wlad, even if he was +500. Wlad’s too big.
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
yea im wrong about povetkins size, hes only 6’2", i for some reason thought he was bigger. Dimitrenko is more suited for my argument at 6’7", i need to see more of him, hes an intriguing guy. actually, size doesn’t mean shit if you know how to throw a jab at the time, which most heavys with the exception of the klit brothers know how to do but thats a different story.
chambers is just a fatass. i’m partial to my philly fighters but hes an exception. i dont think hes that good. he got by peter but peter was just dreadful. i wouldn’t compare him and povetkin, pov does have the baby fat but thats not a big deal, not everyone is what bj flores would call the “sculpted Adonis heavyweight champion everyone wants to see” i’d take povetkin +500 over wlad anyday. his chin is just so weak and unreliable.
as far as haye, hes not a real heavy thats for sure. especially todays heavys. hes got tons of over hype (much from his own mouth) to him but he can bang and again with wlads chin he has a shot. haye is not that great, just watch the carl thompson fight.
by sonofapsycho on Jun 26, 2009 1:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Well… I’m not sure about this chin argument… I’ve thought about it a long time and heard all sides, but I’m really not sure it isn’t just another fantasy blown out of proportion by guys desperate to find flaws. Wlad’s been stopped three times out of 56… for Pete’s sake, Floyd Patterson was down about as many times in a round as Wlad’s been down in his career. The Nutritional Nightmare put Wlad down a couple of times, but he wasn’t trimming his whiskers… he was cuffing him on the back of the head and sort of pushing him down. And Wlad won that fight pretty easy, when you think about it.
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
Floyd Patterson was down about as many times in a round as Wlad’s been down in his career
and he had a china chin too. i love floyd dont get me wrong but cus even said that about him. part of the reason why the marciano fight never happened. rocky would have ate him up faster than a terminis cannoli.
by sonofapsycho on Jun 26, 2009 2:05 AM EDT up reply actions
rocky would have ate him up faster than a terminis cannoli.
Yes. Comparing Floyd Patterson to Rocky Marciano is like comparing a mermaid to a lion… Marciano wasn’t happy about what he did to Old Joe Louis. Popping that Paterson balloon would have killed him quicker than a plane crash. My god, Radmacher never had a pro fight and dropped Floyd… I’m pretty sure Patterson is the only heavyweight he ever knocked down.
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
he cried his eyes out
when he knocked out joe.
he was his hero.
by sonofapsycho on Jun 26, 2009 2:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Once upon a time, Solis actually used to move his head
But he’s seriously regressed at this point. He’s looking more and more like Sam Peter in the ring every time I see him.
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