Bad Left Hook Fight Night: Abraham-Oral and Ortiz-Maidana
by SC on Jun 27, 2009 7:16 PM EDT
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Tonight's round-by-round coverage starts with Abraham-Oral on Showtime at 9pm and continues with Ortiz-Maidana on HBO at 10pm.
DO NOT POST SPOILERS OF THE ABRAHAM-ORAL FIGHT.
| ARTHUR ABRAHAM IBF Titleholder Ring Magazine No. 1 Contender (160) |
MAHIR ORAL |
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| 29-0 | Record | 25-1-2 |
| 23 | KO | 10 |
| Berlin, Germany (Yerevan, Armenia) | Hometown | Hamburg, Germany |
| 29 | Age | 29 |
| 5'10" | Height | 6'1" |
| 72" | Reach | |
| Raul Marquez (RTD-6) Edison Miranda (UD-12, TKO-4) Khoren Gevor (KO-11) |
Notable Wins | |
| Notable Losses | Malik Dziarra (PTS-6) | |
| VICTOR ORTIZ |
MARCOS MAIDANA Ring Magazine No. 10 Contender (140) |
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| 24-1-1 | Record | 25-1 |
| 19 | KO | 24 |
| Ventura, CA | Hometown | Margarita, Santa Fe, Argentina |
| 22 | Age | 25 |
| 5'9" | Height | 5'9" |
| 70" | Reach | |
| Mike Arnaoutis (TKO-2) Carlos Maussa (KO-1) |
Notable Wins | |
| Corey Alcaron (DQ-1) | Notable Losses | Andriy Kotelnik (SD-12) |
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Showtime has AA listed as 5’9" which looks more real when they stand next to one another.
by SC on Jun 27, 2009 9:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm watching Latin Fury
Then going home to watch my DVR’s recordings of Abraham and Ortiz
Anyone else watching PPV?
by Option27 on Jun 27, 2009 9:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
nah
Mismatches and snoozers. Any other night I’d order it, but good stuff on SHO/HBO.
by SC on Jun 27, 2009 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm guessing you don't want me spoiling?
by Option27 on Jun 27, 2009 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
are you really concerned with it?
Because we’re going to run results right after everything’s done. Just a heads-up.
by SC on Jun 27, 2009 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Abraham-Oral R1
if my typing is shit for this fight, it’s because I’m waiting on a real keyboard. So I apologize.
Abraham has his gloves up, working a jab, Oral trying to jab back, trying to throw some power shots but just can’t break the D early, as no one would expect him to. They’re talking about Abraham giving away rounds, which I don’t think is accurate. Oral working more, staying aggressive, and not getting in to let Abraham wail on him. Fairly close round, no big shots really, and I give it to Oral on activity. If Arthur had landed a few good shots he wins this round.
Oral 10-9
by SC on Jun 27, 2009 9:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Abraham-Oral R2
Abraham with a left hook to the body. Oral is staying at a really good distance. Nice counter right from Oral as AA attempts to bang to the body. A minute left in the round and another close one so far. I do quite like what Oral is doing, but that lingering thought that AA is just waiting for his moment is there. This is pretty standard Abraham stuff. Left hook Abraham, right missed by Oral. Good counter by Oral, and he chases Arthur down at the end of the round.
Oral 10-9
Oral 20—18
by SC on Jun 27, 2009 9:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Abraham-Oral R3
Left hook Abraham, Oral sneaks a counter shot in. He’s done that quite well so far. I’m moderately impressed by Oral. Arthur misses an overhand right. Oral dropping his hands some now. Arthur’s still high high high. Left hook Abraham and right hand counter by Oral at the same time. Oral backs him down a little bit again. He’s really matching up nicely so far, but here comes Arthur with the power shots. Another close round, think Arthur eked this one out.
Abraham 10-9
Oral 29-28
by SC on Jun 27, 2009 9:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Gave the last round to Oral, same as the first two.
by keyz on Jun 27, 2009 9:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Abaham-Oral R4
Oral out throwing power shots, blocked. Oral throwing somewhat wilder this round, and Abraham comes back with a wild miss of his own. Now they’re throwing leather! Abraham crowding, hammering to the body, and they are really starting to trade purposeful shots. This is turning into a good little fight. Left hook Abraham. Oral getting hammered now! Abrhaam unloading AND DOWN GOES ORAL! He’s up and will fight on. 30 seconds left. Arthur storming! Big right lands! Oral still coming back at him! BIG RIGHT ABRAHAM! Oral doing NO clinching! FLUSH COMBO! Wow! HUGE round for Arthur!
Abraham 10-8
Abraham 38-37
by SC on Jun 27, 2009 9:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Abraham-Oral R5
Oral jabbing, but THER’ES A — oh, nope, stumble. And a good call. hey, I get excited. Oral seems nervy. Big shot Arthur. He’s taking over in a huge way. HUGE right just doesn’t land flush for Abraham. Jabs from Oral. He needs to find something more to do. Arthur’s waiting for his jabs to end and then pouncing. Arthur with a right. Jabs from Arthur, and then he rocks him again. This is now all Arthur. Left hook Oral! Crowd silenced by that one. Arthur looked like he felt that one. Flush right by Arthur. And another. He’s just eating that shot. God bless Oral, he keeps coming.
Abraham 10-9
Abraham 48-46
by SC on Jun 27, 2009 9:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Are we allowed to post updates on the Latin Fury card, or are we keeping it mum on the thread?
by schraubd on Jun 27, 2009 9:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm saying go ahead
So if anyone doesn’t want “spoilers” of the Top Rank PPV, tune out now.
by SC on Jun 27, 2009 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tsurkan’s beatings are getting to the point I don’t want to see them anymore.
by SC on Jun 27, 2009 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
typical abraham fight
gets beat up for a couple rounds then wakes up beats dudes into submission.
oral is a tough dude though.
by sonofapsycho on Jun 27, 2009 9:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Abraham-Oral R6
Oral with a long right. Oral is staying in there, but he’s clearly overmatched. Damn but he’s making it fun. Abraham right hand, and down goes Oral again!
He’s OK, though. And on he fights. Oral coming forward, throwing, just not finding Arthur anymore. Right hand does land.
Abraham 10-8
Abraham 58-54
by SC on Jun 27, 2009 9:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Doctor stops the fight
Martirosyan wins it after 6
by Option27 on Jun 27, 2009 9:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ref waves it off after the sixth — Tsurkan wanted another round, but he was getting pummelled.
by schraubd on Jun 27, 2009 9:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He always wants another round. Crazy bastard.
by SC on Jun 27, 2009 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Abraham-Oral R7
Oral trying to throw combinations. Boy, I’m becoming a fan of this dude. He will not back off. He’s throwing everything he can to try and break Arthur’s D. Good combos, smart punching. Abraham’s just a brick wall defensively. Arthur not doing much at all this round, kinda taking it off. Oral throwing and throwing, not landing a lot, but Arthur just isn’t doing anything.
Oral 10-9
Abraham 67-64
by SC on Jun 27, 2009 9:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Edge of my seat!
Go Rabbi Foreman (seriously — apparently he’s in Rabbinical school)
by schraubd on Jun 27, 2009 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
foreman couldn’t break china with a baseball bat
by dervish686 on Jun 27, 2009 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Abraham-Oral R8
Abraham with good shots, Oral just keeps coming back. This is a fun fight, even if fairly wide with the knockdowns. Abraham showing more offense again, but still not opening up like he did before. Nevermind, there goes Abraham throwing the big bombs. Oral catches him a bit off balance. Abraham’s hands go low. Left hook Arthur. Swings another one. Abraham with another good combo near the round’s end. He steals this round on big shots.
Abraham 10-9
Abraham 77-73
by SC on Jun 27, 2009 9:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Too late for Oral to catch up on the cards now.
by keyz on Jun 27, 2009 9:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Abraham-Oral R9
Abraham coming out with his gloves high again. Oral still trying to work off the jab. Probably way too late for that to turn out, but he’s stealing another round here as Arthur just isn’t doing a lot again. There’s a big flurry of battering shots. Abraham wailing on him now. Oral’s hands need to get up. Body shots then upstairs from Arthur. Right hand Arthur. And more big shots! Arthur takes the round wide with that last minute beating.
Abraham 10-9
Abraham 87-82
by SC on Jun 27, 2009 9:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Abraham-Oral R10
Left hand Arthur lands upstairs. Right hands thuds. Oral is hurting now. And he goes down on a left hook, half taking a knee. Just quit, Mahir.
But he does not.
Abraham going for it. Right hand to the body, down to a knee. Oral’s done.
But he will fight on. Why?
Ref warns him. No three KD rule. Down again! Oral up again. Referee counts, he’s up. And fighting on — nope, corner stops it. Good call, guys.
Arthur Abraham TKO-10
by SC on Jun 27, 2009 9:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ok Foreman is being hella passive
Safe to say y’all was right. Or WILL be right
by Option27 on Jun 27, 2009 9:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
would be nice if abraham fought
the likes of pavlik, froch, kessler, bika, andrade, etc.. and quit beating up on these limited and overmatched europeans. hes not getting any younger.
by sonofapsycho on Jun 27, 2009 9:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
to be fair
LaJuan Simon was a limited and overmatched American
by SC on Jun 27, 2009 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Foreman delivers a HUGE overhand right to Bundrage in the 3rd that clearly hurt bad
by Option27 on Jun 27, 2009 9:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
….then they clinch. And then Foreman looks at Bundrage for awhile before they clinch again.
by schraubd on Jun 27, 2009 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and the fight is stopped on a headbutt.
by schraubd on Jun 27, 2009 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No contest. Now there’s the way to end Bundrage/Foreman — ND before the 4th round.
by schraubd on Jun 27, 2009 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fight is over
Foreman’s accidental head butt cut is too much
by Option27 on Jun 27, 2009 9:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
that's funny.
If you were thinking, you wouldn't have thought that.
by Warden11 on Jun 27, 2009 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
To be fair, that was a brutal cut on Foreman.
“Maybe they can do it again” — oh, lord no.
by schraubd on Jun 27, 2009 9:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Question:
Why is Ortiz listed as being from CA? Isn’t he a Kansas guy?
(I’m a Kansas guy, why I’m asking)
If you were thinking, you wouldn't have thought that.
by Warden11 on Jun 27, 2009 10:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
born in KS
But has lived and fought out of CA for years now.
by SC on Jun 27, 2009 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
“Victor Ortiz, who may have the most star potential of them all” — this is in the same breath as Hatton, Pacquiao, and Campbell.
by schraubd on Jun 27, 2009 10:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wasn't Yuriorkis supposed to be on the latin fury undercard?
by Option27 on Jun 27, 2009 10:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
not that I recall
That show lost too many good fights though.
by SC on Jun 27, 2009 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jorge Arce vs. Fernando Lumacad
Coming up
by Option27 on Jun 27, 2009 10:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I didn't know Nacho was in Jorge's corner now
by Option27 on Jun 27, 2009 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yep
That was the big deal for this fight. Arce finally getting a guy that might teach him how to handle a left-hander. I don’t think you’re changing his spots much but Arum was right. He looks like he doesn’t know how to fight a lefty at all.
by SC on Jun 27, 2009 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow. I’ve known the Ortiz story, but he’s never told it this emotionally and in-depth.
by SC on Jun 27, 2009 10:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
weights tonight
Ortiz 152
Maidana 149
Really looking forward to this. Has explosive written all over it.
by SC on Jun 27, 2009 10:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
wtf
When Harold finished telling us the rules he didn’t go “BOB!”
by SC on Jun 27, 2009 10:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hey SC,was there picks done for tonights fights?
by Full Throttle on Jun 27, 2009 10:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Victor Ortiz coming out to "Beat It"
Pretty cool.
by SC on Jun 27, 2009 10:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah so my favorite soccer team sucks tonight (down 2-0 at the half)
Might as well catch the fight.
I’m going with Ortiz TKO 11. I have no idea or decent info on Maidana.
Andy Reid is the only coach in NFL history that uses the pass to set up the pass.
by SSreporters on Jun 27, 2009 10:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
HOLY CRAP!!!!
Andy Reid is the only coach in NFL history that uses the pass to set up the pass.
by SSreporters on Jun 27, 2009 10:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Arce with what looked like a no look hard over the top right KO in the 3rd
Nacho hasn’t changed much about him at all
by Option27 on Jun 27, 2009 10:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ortiz-Maidana R1
Maidana swarms after Ortiz misses a lead left, but nothing lands. Maidana leads with a right. They’re gonna rumble, boys. Ortiz with a right hook, Maidana with a left hook. They’re going in bursts. Right to the body by Maidana. Maidana throwing wild shots, and a BIG right by Maidana, but Ortiz comes back. ORTIZ WITH A COUNTER RIGHT, DOWN GOES MAIDANA!
This is gonna be fun for as long as it lasts.
HUGE RIGHT MAIDANA, DOWN GOES ORTIZ!!!!! He’s hurt, man.
Ortiz trying to clinch, not suceeding. Now Ortiz fires back! 30 seconds to go. Huge right Maidana clips Ortiz. My God. Ortiz flurrying! My God this is a fight. WOO BOY!!!!!!!
Wow, how the hell do you score that?
10-10
Yeah I did it.
by SC on Jun 27, 2009 10:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
ROTY candidate.
Andy Reid is the only coach in NFL history that uses the pass to set up the pass.
by SSreporters on Jun 27, 2009 10:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I just hope this fight makes it a 6 rounds.
I’ll be very happy with 6 rounds of this.
If you were thinking, you wouldn't have thought that.
by Warden11 on Jun 27, 2009 10:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
10-10 even
Andy Reid is the only coach in NFL history that uses the pass to set up the pass.
by SSreporters on Jun 27, 2009 10:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ortiz-Maidana R2
They’re coming out throwing again. Maidana charging, Ortiz trying to make him miss and grab up. Good idea probably. Maidana’s power is definitely real. Looping right by Maidana. And they connect with simultaneous power shots! This is fuckin’ FUN. Both guys fighting sort of tense in a way, but then they just let loose. Just two guys throwing power shots in bunches. Ortiz hanging on some more. It’s smart, and I can’t fault him.
Heads may have just clashed. Yup. No blood though.
Ortiz to the body, then misses a huge left upstairs, and here THEY GO! MAIDANA CAUGHT WITH A RIGHT HOOK AND DOWN! Maidana pops right up. Ortiz was hurt. This is awesome.
Ortiz storming! 10 seconds to go! Ortiz flurrying, Miadana fighting back AND DOWN GOES MAIDANA AGAIN! He’s up and getting the count. Round ends. WOW!!!
Ortiz 10-7
Ortiz 20-17
by SC on Jun 27, 2009 10:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Main Event coming up . . .
Juan Manuel Lopez vs. Olivier Lontchi
by Option27 on Jun 27, 2009 10:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't care
It can’t live up to this.
Andy Reid is the only coach in NFL history that uses the pass to set up the pass.
by SSreporters on Jun 27, 2009 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My goodness Maidana has heart
20-17 Ortiz
Andy Reid is the only coach in NFL history that uses the pass to set up the pass.
by SSreporters on Jun 27, 2009 10:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Maidana has no defense?
Glass chin?
If you were thinking, you wouldn't have thought that.
by Warden11 on Jun 27, 2009 10:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
no defense
These shots are great shots and he’s right back up every time.
by SC on Jun 27, 2009 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have the distinct feeling scores won’t be relevant. 19-17 Ortiz
by schraubd on Jun 27, 2009 10:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ortiz-Maidana R3
Maidana takes his time on the stool.
Good right by Maidana. Ortiz flurrying again, good shots. And they’re really getting nasty inside. Maidana with a right on the break. Hard right Maidana! Ortiz ducking, dodging, doing what he can. If you like defense, this is not your fight. If you like wars, this is for you.
They’re throwing big leather after a brief lull again. Maidana barely missed with another huge right hand. Lead right by Ortiz doesn’t find a home. Ortiz looking more energetic, but I think Maidana sneaks this round with better shots.
Maidana 10-9
Ortiz 29-27
by SC on Jun 27, 2009 10:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
30-26 Ortiz but who cares? We know this ain't going the distance.
Andy Reid is the only coach in NFL history that uses the pass to set up the pass.
by SSreporters on Jun 27, 2009 10:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
ortiz still wide open for counters
maidana is too damn slow to capitalize on it.
by sonofapsycho on Jun 27, 2009 10:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ortiz-Maidana R4
Hurrld gave the last round to Ortiz. Clubbing right by Maidana. Ortiz with a hard left as they’re tied up. Nasty lead left by Ortiz. Woof, that was a shot. Another hard left lands as Maidana makes his way in. Marcos has really slowed down. His speed surprised me early on, but he’s back to what I expected now. He’s not SLOW, he’s just not even close to as quick as Ortiz. And he’s not quick period. He’s average.
Maidana pins Ortiz in the corner, but gets little done. Apparently they’ve landed a combined 3/48 jabs so far.
Right hand Maidana doesn’t quite get there. Clinching is coming into the fight and Maidana looks worn out. Maidana backs himself into the ropes just before the bell.
Ortiz 10-9
Ortiz 39-36
by SC on Jun 27, 2009 10:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
39-36 Ortiz
Andy Reid is the only coach in NFL history that uses the pass to set up the pass.
by SSreporters on Jun 27, 2009 10:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
2 more rounds
and I’ll be surprised.
If you were thinking, you wouldn't have thought that.
by Warden11 on Jun 27, 2009 10:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Sugar Shane is in attendance
This is a FOTY candidate, right now. Amazing action.
Andy Reid is the only coach in NFL history that uses the pass to set up the pass.
by SSreporters on Jun 27, 2009 10:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ortiz-Maidana R5
Hurrld gave the last round to Maidana. OK, Jim!
Ortiz throwing big shots, and starting to overwhelm Maidana with speed even when he’s missing. Maidana digging to the body while they’re tied up. Maidana warned about punching to the back of the head. Double right hook by Ortiz. He’s really taking over with pure skill. Ortiz hit with a left hook, but here he comes back storming! THEY’RE TRADING BIG BOMBS! Ortiz is cut outside his left. Shane Mosley is losing it in the front row. This is great.
Right hand Maidana. BIG SNEAKY RIGHT BY MAIDANA! Wow that was vicious. HUGE RIGHT MAIDANA! Wow! Round ends and Ortiz is lucky it did.
Maidana 10-9
Ortiz 48-46
by SC on Jun 27, 2009 10:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
cut was from a punch
Ortiz corner threatening to stop it because he’s not protecting himself.
by SC on Jun 27, 2009 10:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That was an interesting round.
Gotta go Maidana. 10-9
If you were thinking, you wouldn't have thought that.
by Warden11 on Jun 27, 2009 10:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
48-46 Ortiz
Andy Reid is the only coach in NFL history that uses the pass to set up the pass.
by SSreporters on Jun 27, 2009 10:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Holy shit!
If you were thinking, you wouldn't have thought that.
by Warden11 on Jun 27, 2009 10:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ortiz-Maidana R6
Maidana storms out with a right. Ortiz is hurt. He’s hurt. Another right. Ortiz stuck in the corner now. And another right. And another. Maidana just FIRING! Ortiz goes down! He’s hurt. This won’t last long.
Ortiz looks like he wants to quit.
They’re gonna check his cut. IT IS OVER!
Marcos Maidana TKO-6
by SC on Jun 27, 2009 10:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
U gotta be shitting me!?
Ortiz quit?!
by Option27 on Jun 27, 2009 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
IT'S OVER!! OH MY GOODNESS!!
Andy Reid is the only coach in NFL history that uses the pass to set up the pass.
by SSreporters on Jun 27, 2009 10:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That’s an unsatisfactory ending, unfortunately.
by schraubd on Jun 27, 2009 10:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hmm…so about that heart that Max had said Ortiz had acquitted himself on…
by SC on Jun 27, 2009 10:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
to be fair-
His left eye is nasty and is right eye is cut. I’d be amazed if that guy can see anything.
If you were thinking, you wouldn't have thought that.
by Warden11 on Jun 27, 2009 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He quit though. There is something to that. I’m not saying it makes him a turd.
by SC on Jun 27, 2009 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think for a guy who has been told that he is best at the thing has been doing all his life( aka survive), it is scary to realize that your best just isn’t good enough to last the 12 rounds.
"Boxing is dirty," said Casamayor. " The day I’m not ready to be a dirty fighter is the day I don’t fight anymore because it will mean that I have no heart for it anymore."
by Zocalo on Jun 27, 2009 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
remember how hbo was kissing his ass...
now listen to them turn on him.
typical hbo.
sickening.
by sonofapsycho on Jun 27, 2009 10:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Boy Ortiz is fun to watch but
I think Ortiz’s stock takes a huge drop tonight. He had him down 3 times and couldn’t finish him.
Meanwhile Maidana is an amazing puncher.
Andy Reid is the only coach in NFL history that uses the pass to set up the pass.
by SSreporters on Jun 27, 2009 10:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
while it does
maybe not as much as you think in the immediate aftermath. People will always want to see fights like that, so its not all bad. He just needs to get back on the horse and get some good wins
by Duan on Jun 27, 2009 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can we stop the unwarranted hype on Ortiz now? Kid is a bum. Like most kids from Oxnard, he’s a quitter.
by FlyByKnight on Jun 27, 2009 10:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I went to High School in Oxnard. I know the mindset of those kids. When put into the pressure cooker, they quit. That’s all they’re used to.
by FlyByKnight on Jun 27, 2009 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He went to Pacifica High School. All I need to know. He spent too much time with the quitters in Oxnard and it ruined him for life.
by FlyByKnight on Jun 27, 2009 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your hatred of Oxnard is now amusing me. I love lifelong grudges.
by SC on Jun 27, 2009 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I went to High School in Oxnard. Don’t hate the city, per say. Hate the people from there who think they’re tough when they’re not.
by FlyByKnight on Jun 27, 2009 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well at the moment, I’m going to assume all Santa Clara HSers are stereotyping assholes.
by schraubd on Jun 27, 2009 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Does it matter? To paint a brush over an entire town (or even HS) is assholery of the highest caliber. 200,000 people live in that town, and you feel privileged to shit on them all. I’m calling grade A bull shit.
by schraubd on Jun 27, 2009 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Call it what you want, but I call it like I see it. Having spent four years in that town, having friends that still live there, going there all the time due to the fact that I have business there sometimes, and living 15 minutes from there. I think I know more about what goes on in that city, and the mentality of that city, than you do. So, unless you’ve been there, don’t talk to me like I don’t know what I’m talking about. Ortiz just stereotyped that city even worse than it already was.
by FlyByKnight on Jun 27, 2009 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd imagine that if he made it through his mom and dad leaving him,
he can make it through high school without becoming a quitter.
If you were thinking, you wouldn't have thought that.
by Warden11 on Jun 27, 2009 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Awesome.
We now have a forum to air our petty high school grudges.
FUCK YOU, BELLBROOK!!! RIGHT IN YOUR STUPID ASSES!!!!!
Additionally, fuck that kid from Plain City Jonathan Alder who kept me from being a state placer!!!!
I feel much better about myself now.
"Karma - there it was. The meaning of life, straight from Carson Daly's lips to my morphine-laced ears." -Earl Hickey
by BLee2525 on Jun 27, 2009 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
LOL
fuckin comedy. I’m definitely rec’ing that, BLee
We're all given some sort of skill in life. Mine just happens to be beating up on people. (Sugar Ray Leonard)
by BrianBrock on Jun 28, 2009 4:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't give a shit what happened tonight,
Victor Ortiz isn’t a typical “Oxnard” kid.
If you were thinking, you wouldn't have thought that.
by Warden11 on Jun 27, 2009 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now it hit me!
He’s a GBP guy, DLH probably told him that it’s okay to quit when you eat a lot of punches a la Pacquiao.
Andy Reid is the only coach in NFL history that uses the pass to set up the pass.
by SSreporters on Jun 27, 2009 10:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He has to be
That was his prized fighter
by Option27 on Jun 27, 2009 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yup
That was the future of Golden Boy. Unknown Maidana just became a star.
by SC on Jun 27, 2009 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Funny part is what Oscar said last night on Friday Night Fights about how Ortiz was the best fighter in boxing.
by FlyByKnight on Jun 27, 2009 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
To be honest I’m not sure how closely Oscar follows boxing.
by SC on Jun 27, 2009 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I saw that too!
I’m sooo fuckin happy right now!
by Option27 on Jun 27, 2009 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or maybe he was in a shootout with a huge banger and lost.
I’m not saying this was a great showing, but let’s keep a little perspective.
by schraubd on Jun 27, 2009 10:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I thought he did fine. He got banged up by a vicious puncher.
by SC on Jun 27, 2009 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right. I mean, we agree that the quitting wasn’t exactly out on his shield, but there’s nothing in what happened tonight that justifies a pile on it.
by schraubd on Jun 27, 2009 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m coming out mega impressed with Maidana as a warrior and a huge puncher more than disappointed by Ortiz or anything.
by SC on Jun 27, 2009 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe they should teach that guy some f'ng defense?
If you were thinking, you wouldn't have thought that.
by Warden11 on Jun 27, 2009 10:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
thats how it sounded to me
"After this, I'm gonna kick Bob Arum's ass."
-George Lopez
by thebitb on Jun 27, 2009 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ehhhh…
“I’m not gonna go out on my back for nobody. I’d rather just stop it.”
I think I heard a few scattered boos. Not a very warrior-like thing to say.
Boy, he doesn’t sound like he’s crazy about boxing at all. “I’m young, but I don’t think I deserve to be getting beat up like this. I got a lot of thinking to do.”
by SC on Jun 27, 2009 10:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Dude got his bell rung a few times,
he might try to see if Hollywood isn’t an easier racket.
If you were thinking, you wouldn't have thought that.
by Warden11 on Jun 27, 2009 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ortiz had all the tools and he threw the box away, he needed to do two things and the fight would’ve been clockwork: jab and consistently maneuver his right foot to the outside of Maidana’s left, he didn’t do it and he lost.
by dervish686 on Jun 27, 2009 10:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow
Real interesting post-fight in the ring.
He has a lot of thinking to do?
If you were thinking, you wouldn't have thought that.
by Warden11 on Jun 27, 2009 10:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The Juan Manuel Lopez - Olivier Lontchi fight
is about to start
by phillyhoosfan on Jun 27, 2009 10:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
man
That Ortiz interview is going to leave a TON of questions. Maybe this kid shouldn’t be out there.
by SC on Jun 27, 2009 10:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
kid has been through a ton
maybe that interview wasn’t as impressive as it seemed. Too much bravado, many a man have fallen apart from less.
If you were thinking, you wouldn't have thought that.
by Warden11 on Jun 27, 2009 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lots of guys in boxing have been through a ton. I’m not downplaying Ortiz’s story at all, but that interviewer was just full of open questions about his mettle.
by SC on Jun 27, 2009 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He might as well just have said that he wants to only fight fights that he can’t get hit in.
by FlyByKnight on Jun 27, 2009 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed 100%
I thought that was him saying this game isn’t for me.
If you were thinking, you wouldn't have thought that.
by Warden11 on Jun 27, 2009 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He did face a guy who has world class power…
You know… he made not excuses… but the fact that when he knew his best wasn’t enough to win, he folded.
I always think of Marquez when he fought Pacman the 1st time around…. I honestly thought he was done and I think many did so as well but he has something in him that enabled him to survive the fight.
It is special breed of fighters that can do that… and Ortiz isn’t in that type of class. Nothing wrong but perhaps many just have to lower our expectations of fighters until they prove that they are the creme of the crop.
"Boxing is dirty," said Casamayor. " The day I’m not ready to be a dirty fighter is the day I don’t fight anymore because it will mean that I have no heart for it anymore."
by Zocalo on Jun 27, 2009 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
hes a bit of a bitch
who doesn’t like to get hit.
his attitude in the interview says it all.
hes not getting any further in his career.
by sonofapsycho on Jun 27, 2009 10:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I always hated that dude
Thank God this happened to him
by Option27 on Jun 27, 2009 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't get me wrong
I don’t want him permanently injured or anything.
I just wanted the world to finally see him for who he truly is
by Option27 on Jun 27, 2009 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm…
If I thought going in that Ortiz wasn’t as tough as everyone thought, or as talented or as super-starry (or whatever), I’d want to see him prove me wrong and put on a performance for the ages, silencing my doubts. But that’s just me.
by schraubd on Jun 27, 2009 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he seems like an ok guy
not a fighter though thats for sure.
by sonofapsycho on Jun 27, 2009 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He pooned out. I’m just glad this happened to Oscar. Couldn’t have happened to a bigger douche.
by FlyByKnight on Jun 27, 2009 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
if you’re going to hype a promising southpaw, make sure he has studied “how to be a southpaw 101” from front to back
by dervish686 on Jun 27, 2009 11:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I’m just glad he wasn’t hyped up as the next great Mexican warrior. That’d have been really bad.
by FlyByKnight on Jun 27, 2009 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It isn’t often that I feel bad when I see sports but I really felt bad when Ortiz lost esp after HBO did the story on him.
"Boxing is dirty," said Casamayor. " The day I’m not ready to be a dirty fighter is the day I don’t fight anymore because it will mean that I have no heart for it anymore."
by Zocalo on Jun 27, 2009 11:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Bob Arum is smiling...
Remember, Golden Boy swiped Ortiz from Top Rank after Top Rank developed Ortiz to a certain point. Maybe if Ortiz had stayed with Top Rank, the matching making might have been different? Maybe Golden Boy will now see the value in carefully developing fighters?
by AsianSensation on Jun 27, 2009 11:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It’s not like Ortiz wasn’t ready for this step. He was at the stage where he should be fighting bouts like this. He just happened to lose.
by schraubd on Jun 27, 2009 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not saying Ortiz wasn’t ready for this level of competition, I just question if Maindana was the fighter he should’ve stepped up against. I’ve noticed that Top Rank is careful about matching up styles and maybe they wouldn’t have chosen Maindana. Maybe they would have chosen an opponent at this level that matched up better stylistically. Just saying that Top Rank seems to be more careful about moving prospects.
by AsianSensation on Jun 27, 2009 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They put Cotto vs the very dangerous Ricardo Torres when Cotto was still a prospect and with questions about his chin.
I think what we should take out of this fight this was the Cotto/Torres fight of this year… the only thing is that Torres won this time out instead of the blue chip prospect that is supposed to be the next big thing.
"Boxing is dirty," said Casamayor. " The day I’m not ready to be a dirty fighter is the day I don’t fight anymore because it will mean that I have no heart for it anymore."
by Zocalo on Jun 27, 2009 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was supposed to be Andriy Kotelnik, who pulled out to fight Khan and now looks like he might pull out of that. Maidana was available and Ortiz agreed, which was pretty ballsy.
by SC on Jun 27, 2009 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He was ready for a world class fighter in my opinion. He just lost to a good guy who in my people eyes is an uncrowned champ.
"Boxing is dirty," said Casamayor. " The day I’m not ready to be a dirty fighter is the day I don’t fight anymore because it will mean that I have no heart for it anymore."
by Zocalo on Jun 27, 2009 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Another win over an iffy opponent would’ve had people criticizing his opposition and desiring a fight like this. He took the fight and lost. It happens. Having him fight more Mike Arnaoutis-type guys wasn’t going to make him better.
by SC on Jun 27, 2009 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lopez knocked down Lontchi
in the second with a right hand that made everyone in the arena go “ooooohhhh”.
by phillyhoosfan on Jun 27, 2009 11:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
After 2
Lopez is doing what he does best
by Option27 on Jun 27, 2009 11:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Lontchi gets thru 3
But in a dirty dirty way. Using every possible trick to survive
by Option27 on Jun 27, 2009 11:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
juanma knows how to be a southpaw, unlike Ortiz
by dervish686 on Jun 27, 2009 11:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
In one of the dirtiest headlined fights
Juanma 40
Lontcho 36
by Option27 on Jun 27, 2009 11:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
10-9 Lonchi, 49-45 Lopez. Lonchi is frustrating Lopez for sure, and he managed to get some offense going this round.
by schraubd on Jun 27, 2009 11:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Any chance Lontchi won that last round?
by phillyhoosfan on Jun 27, 2009 11:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Lontchi connects on 2 huge rights
But Juanma still gets the round
JL 50
OL 45
Juanma getting frustrated
by Option27 on Jun 27, 2009 11:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
10-9, 59-54 Lopez. It’s kinda a dull fight. Lontchi is so awkward that Lopez can’t really land anything big. But Lontchi doesn’t have the offensive pop to really make it a close fight.
by schraubd on Jun 27, 2009 11:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
10-9, 69-63 Lopez. Lopez actually put together some good combos and had Lontchi hurt. But give the Canadian credit — he’s got a chin. Just no offense to go along with it.
by schraubd on Jun 27, 2009 11:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
With Penalosa, you wondered when he would quit
With Lontchi, you wonder when he’s ever looked this frustrated
With that being said, he did dominate the 7th
by Option27 on Jun 27, 2009 11:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Scorecard wise, Lopez is cruising. But it’s just not as fun to watch as a typical JuanMa fight.
by schraubd on Jun 27, 2009 11:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Lontchi gets knocked down again but survives the 9th
Corner is threatening to stop it
by Option27 on Jun 27, 2009 11:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
79-71 Lopez as he puts down Lontchi more solidly than the last time. Lontchi is awkward and good defensively, but not much more.
by schraubd on Jun 27, 2009 11:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Another knockdown by Lopez
but more holding from Lontchi prevents a TKO.
by phillyhoosfan on Jun 27, 2009 11:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What a night of boxing.
Can;t wait to go home and see the Ortiz fight
by Option27 on Jun 27, 2009 11:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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