Klitschko deciding on Haye for July, or Chagaev for June
by SC on Jun 4, 2009 3:36 PM EDT
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Setanta reports that Wladimir Klitschko is currently deciding on whether to wait until July 11 for fight David Haye, or to go ahead with his June 20 date against Ruslan Chagaev -- a fight that would be for The Ring world heavyweight championship, and would crown the first lineal champion since Vitali Klitschko retired in 2005.
David Haye will be ready to fight Wladimir Klitschko on July 11, though Ruslan Chagaev could meet the Ukrainian instead on June 20.
Both Haye's manager Adam Booth and Klitschko's equivalent Bernd Bonte spoke to Steve Bunce's Boxing Hour about Haye's pull-out from their scheduled bout due to a back injury.
Booth insisted Haye will be ready to take the ring three weeks later than the scheduled date, but Bonte says Klitschko, at present, would rather meet Chagaev - though the terms of this fight still need to be negotiated.
"It is still a possibility but our first priority is Chagaev, but that fight is not a done deal," Bonte told Setanta Sports News.
"The important question is are RTL happy to go on July 11? Are HBO ready to go three weeks later?
"The stadium will be okay for July 11. Chagaev would be a big fight. It would be for The Ring belt. I have got confirmation from The Ring [magazine]."
As much as I prefer Klitschko-Haye to Klitschko-Chagaev, the promoters are right to worry whether or not HBO would have that date open (they likely could make room, but three weeks is short notice) and the Ring title part makes the alternative attractive for everyone. It'd be nice to once again be able to call someone "heavyweight champion" instead of "WBC/WBO/WBA/IBF/IBO titleholder."
I'll admit that it does sort of bother me that Chagaev is apparently not healthy enough to fight in Finland, but by German standards he's OK to potentially bleed all over or whatever.
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I’ll tell you what… If Wlad is willing to take a dangerous, world class southpaw on short notice like this, that will be a solid gold star in his favor when trying to determine his place in history. Frankly, I am pretty sure it would be unprecedented even by the standards of universally acknowledged Greats…. Holmes never fought a world class southpaw, nevermind on short notice.
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
by jrok on Jun 4, 2009 4:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i dunno about all that
how many would class southpaw heavyweights have their been?
not much, only michael moorer comes to mind immediately.
by sonofapsycho on Jun 4, 2009 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well there have been a few who have fought over the last couple of decades… Moorer, Byrd, Igbraminov, Thompson, Sanders… heck, the fact is Wlad has met almost all of them. He has certainly fought the best southpaws of any Heavyweight Champion. There were other good world class southpaws… one of my favorites being Florida Al Jones, who Ali ducked. Jack Bodell was another one. Mike Schreck was an old timer that a lot of guys avoided liek the plague…. There have been a few….
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
by jrok on Jun 4, 2009 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
With Holmes, the closest he came was Cooney, who was a converted southpaw, which gave him such horrific power in his left hook. But of course that not the same thing at all. Certainly not anything like conducting an entire training camp to fight an orthodox guy, then changing gears two weeks out to fight a southpaw champion. Forget the heavyweight division for a second… just in terms in terms of guts and audacity, how often do you see something like that in ANY division of boxing… nobody in their right mind would tap Winky Wright or Marvin Hagler as a “last minute replacement.”
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
by jrok on Jun 4, 2009 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well thats true
but i dont think the main reason they aren’t going to take a fight when winky and marvin is because they are southpaw on short notice. its because they are really really damn great fighters. game plans change, sparring changes plus the whole mental aspect of fighting someone the caliber of those guys changes.
you gotta be fucked in the head to take a fight on 2 weeks notice to fight someone the style of winky or the skill level of hagler. chageav though…..eh, not so much. no offense to him of course, im a fan of his but doesn’t really compare.
by sonofapsycho on Jun 4, 2009 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It doesn’t stop with guys of Hagler, Hearns or Whitakers level either. No one in their right mind would take on a Sanders, a Collazo or a Urango on short notice either… unless they were desperate. It has the danger of making you look bad if you win, and making you look HORRIBLE if you lose, walking the wrong way into something stupid. You necessarily have to become a different fighter, and rely on different tools when you fight a southpaw than you do fighting an orthodox fighter. The same is true for southpaws fighting other soutpaws… Winky Wright had NEVER faced a decent southpaw…. that’s why I knew Paul Williams would beat him badly.
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
by jrok on Jun 4, 2009 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I actually thought that Winky had all the tools to beat Paul Williams and any other southpaw he fought with ease. Winky is a converted orthodox fighter, meaning his right hand is his power hand. In a southpaw vs southpaw affair the lead hand becomes the most important as it is when two orthodox fighters battle each other. The angles of attack available to a southpaw facing another southpaw are theoretically more open and cohesive than a southpaw facing a orthodox fighter. Case and point, the orthodox fighters shoulder roll is usually nullified or compromised when he faces a southpaw(James Toney got away with it against Jirov because Jirov was a square shouldered, face first brawler who didn’t give himself the distance to capitalize on Toney’s low lead. Plus, looking back on the fight, Jirov wasn’t in the same class as Toney). The thing that was missing in Winky was that his timing was flat and he was facing a younger, more dynamic fighter with better legs who was able fire his punches in bunches while out-maneuvering him.
by dervish686 on Jun 4, 2009 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well… he also couldn’t defend against Paul’s southpaw right hook… because he never had to before…. Paul kept slipping it right around his guard…. it was embarrassing at one point, because you just knew by looking that Winky had no real sense of how to stop or slip it without resetting completely.
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
by jrok on Jun 4, 2009 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yea
recently there have been some recently. sultan, byrd and thompson weren’t world beaters by any stretch in my opinion and sanders beat the holy hell out of wlad. also the sultan and thompson fights were two of the worst fights in recent memory so i’m not really going to give my props to wlad for beating them. guys like wlad who have a huge right hand actually benefit from fighting them being southpaws lead with their chin.
back in the day, sure, of course i can see old timers avoiding them, thats a valid point. managers and promotors especially. but the formula to beat them has been found out for some time now.
because of that i dont think its a big deal either fighting a southpaw. i think if a fighter is clueless when he steps in a ring against a southpaw is really lack or skill and proper training.
i still don’t think theres been enough in heavyweight history to make a point of to give wlad any credit for doing it more than any other champ.
by sonofapsycho on Jun 4, 2009 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Its about training and preparation. Chageav is world class… so is Sultan and Thompson…. so was Byrd, in his prime…. come on. Liking a guy’s style has nothing to do with whether they are world class fighters or not. And preparing for a southpaw two weeks out from a fight is certainly a big deal, particularly when you’ve had problems with the southpaw stance in the past. On the other hand, you could make the case that Wlad is probably the most uniquely qualified champ to pull something like that off.
As for the statement “southpaws lead with their chins”… Are you telling me Winky Wright leads with his chin?
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
by jrok on Jun 4, 2009 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
compared to
the heavyweights of holmes era and marcianos era, suttan, thompson and chageav are not really world class. for instance id take earnie shavers, roland lastarza, leotis martin, don cockell, jerry quarry, gerry cooney, jimmy young, etc, over all of them. by todays standards, yea i can agree with ya and call them world class.
other than that im really disagreeing with you about southpaws, i just dont think they are particularly difficult to fight if you have the proper training and skills. if you don’t then a southpaw is going to make you look like an idiot. one somewhat recent fight where that was the case was holyfield/moorer 1. holyfield was puzzeled by moorer, it was due to a basic misunderstanding or lack of knowledge/training on how to fight southpaws
winky is a totally different animal and defensive genius, but generally speaking southpaws do lead with the chins as micky said in rocky 2.
by sonofapsycho on Jun 4, 2009 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don Cockell.... Seriously???
And Shavers was an incredibly limited, overrated fighter…. my god, I’d pick Brewster to beat Shavers for sure… Rachman too.
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
by jrok on Jun 4, 2009 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
seriously cockell.
shavers was limited for sure but he’s the biggest puncher to ever live, id pick him over the sultans and tony thompsons of the world anyday.
by sonofapsycho on Jun 4, 2009 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fat, stubby, short, slow Don Cockell
I’m a big defender of Marciano, but he was the Rock’s worst title defense.
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
by jrok on Jun 4, 2009 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol
true id still have cockell over sultan and the rest we mentioned.
by sonofapsycho on Jun 4, 2009 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It doesn’t stop there. I’d pick somebody like Byrd or Chambers to completely embarrass a prime Acorn. Shaver’s punch is also very overrated in my opinion… that sloppy overhand right sailing down from the heavens. He hit “hard” in a physics way, but he didn’t hit very accurately… if he did, he would’ve been able to keep Holmes down… instead of gettting reamed four rounds later.
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
by jrok on Jun 4, 2009 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
but wait, there more!
haha billy mays.
byrd would give a guy like shavers fits yea for sure. chambers. no way.
shavers power is not overrated by any means. i dont think he was sloppy either. he looked sloppy late in his career as he waist size grew yea of course but the young shavers who destroyed jimmy ellis was fast and accurate and devastating.
the only thing that woke holmes up from that right hand in the 2nd fight was his head slamming against the mat.
by sonofapsycho on Jun 4, 2009 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That icing of Ellis made Earnie’s career… nobody knew — or cared — who Shavers was prior to that. Of course, Shavers got demolished in brutal, summary fashion by Quarry in his very next fight…. and Wlad Klitschko would literally kill Quarry in the ring. Shavers was also beaten by Ron Lyle in his early days, who himself got blown to smithereens every time he stepped up in competition.
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
by jrok on Jun 4, 2009 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you just love wlad don't ya
wlad wouldn’t kill anyone in the ring. hes too big of a pansy ass but quarry would be in a style disaster against him.
the dissing of ron lyle is uncalled for. he was a true action fighter who just went out and fought like hell and hit like a mule. just ask george foreman. yea he was knocked out but was pretty damn close to knocking george out in the process.
by sonofapsycho on Jun 4, 2009 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Quarry was a very touhg hombere, but he was small guy by today’s standards… a small 190lb counterpuncher is not a “style nightmare” for Wladimir Klitschko. A long, strong boxer-puncher with a good jab would be a style nightmare for Klitschko. Larry Holmes, Buster Douglas and, to some extent, Quick Tillis would be style nightmares for Wlad Klitchko…. not Quarry, or Lyle.
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
by jrok on Jun 4, 2009 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
nightmare for quarry not wlad.
i was agreeing with ya. read it again.
by sonofapsycho on Jun 4, 2009 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK
But Wlad has an 85% knockout rate. I don’t “love him” but I’m not sure why you think that makes him a pansy.
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
by jrok on Jun 4, 2009 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
100%
knockout ratio in his losses as well which is even more impressive.
i think carl froch had a great quote last week saying that wlad was ’afraid of his own shadow." which sums up my feelings exactly on him.
by sonofapsycho on Jun 4, 2009 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I already knew your feelings
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
by jrok on Jun 4, 2009 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So losing by knockout now makes you a “pansy” too? Okay.
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
by jrok on Jun 4, 2009 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yea
especially the way he lost by knockout and blame vaseline of all things for it.
plus being afraid of his own shadow and not yanno, not actually fighting and being scared to death to get punched makes him a pansy.
by sonofapsycho on Jun 4, 2009 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK
Well, so far you haven’t changed my mind…. not one bit. Maybe you’d have a better chance if you didn’t run around calling guys pansies.
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
by jrok on Jun 4, 2009 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It also doesn’t help that you think ""Don Cockell" could beat Sultan Igbrahminov… let alone Wlad Klitschko…. nope, that doesn’t hep your case at all.
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
by jrok on Jun 4, 2009 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you know
what really doesn’t help your case much? its comparing the great fighters of the past to garbage fighters of today like sultan and chambers.
doesn’t help..not in the least. its laughable actually.
by sonofapsycho on Jun 4, 2009 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you should rename yourself "sonofshannonbriggs"
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
by jrok on Jun 4, 2009 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
......
….your attempt at comedy i guess…
try again because that was a miserable failure.
i’m moving on to another topic.
by sonofapsycho on Jun 4, 2009 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
boo hoo
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
by jrok on Jun 4, 2009 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
k......
always this whiney when someone doesn’t agree with you?
actually don’t answer. i know the answer already. nor am i actually interested anymore.
by sonofapsycho on Jun 4, 2009 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thought you were moving on?
Move along now… giddyup little doggy.
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
by jrok on Jun 4, 2009 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
thanks for confirming it for me.
you’re all class.
flagged.
by sonofapsycho on Jun 4, 2009 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wasn't dissing Lyle
What I said is true! Lyle lost every time he fought someone better than Scott LeDoux. He was exciting… but he still lost.
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
by jrok on Jun 4, 2009 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well
he wasn’t the most skilled of guys so its not surprising he ended up losing to the alis and george formans of the world.
by sonofapsycho on Jun 4, 2009 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Holmes had a world class chin… you can’t take that way from him. It is amazing that he got up.
"Boxing is dirty," said Casamayor. " The day I’m not ready to be a dirty fighter is the day I don’t fight anymore because it will mean that I have no heart for it anymore."
by Zocalo on Jun 5, 2009 12:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It wasn’t that his chin was so great, in my book…. it was that he was so gritty. Holmes was a gritty mo’fo.
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
by jrok on Jun 5, 2009 12:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
holyfield was puzzeled by moorer
Holy… first ballot hall of famer and legitimate ATG… was puzzled by Moorer. This is my point exactly. Nothing personal, but I think you give too little weight to the southpaw “curse”… it’s not really a curse at all, its about the limited field of good southpaw sparring partners and the general awkwardness of instinctively wanting to do things to them that you can’t and shouldn’t do. It’s not about knowlegde at all… its about preparation and re-conditioning yourself to fight in a different way. A pre-kronked Wlad learned this lesson in a big, big way against Sanders.
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
by jrok on Jun 4, 2009 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
true
im not a believer in the southpaw curse or jinx.
like i said with the proper training and knowledge it doesn’t make a whole lot of difference.
i think you’re giving wlad wayy to much credit as a fighter but thats a whole different debate.
by sonofapsycho on Jun 4, 2009 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In the Ring Mag this month, there is a section where Bernard Hopkins goes on and on about how to fight a southpaw. It is a really good read. I would recommend any fight fan to read it. Yet it is one thing knowing what to do and another is actually executing it.
"Boxing is dirty," said Casamayor. " The day I’m not ready to be a dirty fighter is the day I don’t fight anymore because it will mean that I have no heart for it anymore."
by Zocalo on Jun 5, 2009 12:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
It was a very good article. Bernard has taken on some of the best southpaws ever, and he knows very much what he is talking about.
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
by jrok on Jun 5, 2009 1:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
One quibble
Even if it creates a Ring champion, there would still be no lineal champion. Wlad and Vitali would need to fight each other for that to happen.
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by Brickhaus on Jun 4, 2009 4:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Not because Vitali is still lineal (he's not)
But because #1 needs to fight #2.
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by Brickhaus on Jun 4, 2009 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
isn't the distinction between 'lineal' and 'Ring'
that lineal is the man-who-beat-the-man-who-beat etc.?
so if there’s no lineal champ, then the Ring champ is what counts, and #1v#3 is just as valid as #1v#2…if The Ring says so (which it says it will in this circumstance).
(at least, that’s how I understand it)
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 4, 2009 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
in actualality
there really is no man who beat the man who beat the man when guys like rocky marciano retire undefeated and lennox retires as champ.
by sonofapsycho on Jun 4, 2009 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"The Man" is established by consensus #1 beating consensus #2.
The most recent example is Tomasz Adamek beating Steve Cunningham to become lineal champ. But nobody calls Chagaev #1 or #2. The Ring occasionally gives out the Ring Belt on a #1 vs #3 when it’s not feasible to have a fight between #1 and #2. The only other time I can remember when they did it was when Roy Jones beat (I think) Eric Harding and they made it for the Ring Belt since it was obvious that Jones and Michalczewski were never going to fight. Of course, that created a mess that persists to this day, where the Ring Belt is vacant (was Calzaghe) and the lineal champion is Zsolt Erdei.
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by Brickhaus on Jun 4, 2009 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
don't remember what they did with roy
but usually ring doesn’t budge on their champion standards so its interesting they are if wlad and chagaev fight. id like to hear nigel collins explanation for it.
lineal champ is a whole different ball game was my point.
by sonofapsycho on Jun 4, 2009 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also on Bunce, evidently
He said Valuev’s team told him he didn’t go through with a fight against Meehan or Brewster because he had trained for a southpaw.
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by Brickhaus on Jun 4, 2009 4:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
HBO would have that date open (they likely could make room, but three weeks is short notice)
Why not? They would still make money out of it. What else are they going to show around 4:PM on HBO? Kit Katridge the movie or Baby Momma for the million and one time?
What am I saying? Klitschko-Chagaev is a far more exciting nap time than Klitschko-Haye for 12 rounds… can’t wait!
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by Sickle on Jun 4, 2009 5:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but Kit Kittredge and Baby Mama don’t cost them millions of dollars to run in that spot and I don’t think Klitschko-Chagaev is going to pull in ratings.
by SC on Jun 4, 2009 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
umm... yeah thats what I meant
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by Sickle on Jun 4, 2009 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually they are going to show Miss Congeniality and Eagle Eye…and the 24/7 Marquez/Mayweather that day.
http://www.hbo.com/apps/schedule/ScheduleServlet?ACTION_PREV_GRID=PREV.
"Boxing is dirty," said Casamayor. " The day I’m not ready to be a dirty fighter is the day I don’t fight anymore because it will mean that I have no heart for it anymore."
by Zocalo on Jun 5, 2009 1:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
july 11th wtf
july 11th is ufc 100. if hbo had any brains they wouldn’t schedule a fight for that night, especially something as big as wlad vs haye. would be shown live at 4pm or whatever but still thats a time not everyone is going to tune in to watch a fight. its not the 80s and wide world of sports isn’t on anymore. the replay at 9 or 10 would get crushed by everyone getting ready for ufc 100.
take the june fight with chagaev and go for haye in sept or oct. they are too very good fights, even for someone who hates wlad and thinks hes a fraud like me will respect him some for taking those fights back to back.
chagaev is a guy that can knock out wlad silly though if he gets inside his jab so thats a dangerous fight i think.
by sonofapsycho on Jun 4, 2009 6:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
SportsNation Dan Rafael: (2:47 PM ET ) On the Bat Phone with Shelly Finkel getting an update on the Klitschko situation.
SportsNation Dan Rafael: (2:52 PM ET ) OK, here’s the deal as of right now: The Klitschko camp has not even yet received a medical report from from the Haye side detailing the injury and saying whether he will able to fight on July 11. They are supposed to get a report later today,
SportsNation Dan Rafael: (2:53 PM ET ) In addition, the Chagaev fight is NOT a done deal yet for June 20, only that HBO would not show it.
SportsNation Dan Rafael: (2:54 PM ET ) Further, it is still down to this: either Wlad fights Chagaev on June 20 without HBO or he fights Haye July 11 with HBO. Shelly said the camp has NOT made any decision yet and won’t until at the least the point where they see Haye’s medical report.
"Boxing is dirty," said Casamayor. " The day I’m not ready to be a dirty fighter is the day I don’t fight anymore because it will mean that I have no heart for it anymore."
by Zocalo on Jun 5, 2009 2:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I’m no conspiracy nut, but there are things about all of this that have me thinking. I mean when Vitali has been injured, for instance, there were lots of specifics.. when he injured his back, for instance, his camp released a medical statement describing the bone spur that was compacting a nerve in his back, and detailed the procedure that would have to be done to correct it, and Vitali had surgery for it. And when his knee was injured, it was also described in full (a torn meniscus and MCL tear)… he had extensive surgery for that as well. No such specifics about the injury or the treatment from Camp David so far…
I mean, if someone told Haye he needs “about three weeks of physical therapy”… well, who is that person? And what kind of therapy? Maybe after the Chageav-Valuev flop-out, Haye wanted to sneak out of the Klitschko affair to get involved in shot at an easier belt later this summer…. say, for instance, Nick Valuev’s belt?
Middle of the night phone call from Don King, maybe?
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
by jrok on Jun 5, 2009 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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