Oscar doesn't think Manny will fight Mosley
by SC on Jun 5, 2009 1:01 AM EDT
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Michael Rosenthal of The Ring has a new blog entry up regarding the Mosley-Pacquiao rumors, and some input from both Freddie Roach and Oscar de la Hoya.
Shane Mosley recently went to Freddie Roach’s Wild Card Boxing Club in Hollywood, Calif., to discuss a possible fight against Roach’s star protégé, Manny Pacquiao.
The conversation wasn’t complicated, Roach said. It went something like this:
Roach: “Can you make 142 (pounds)?”
Mosley: “No, I can’t get below 147.”
Roach: “Then there’ll be no fight.”
Mosley: “But you fought Oscar (De La Hoya) at 147?”
Roach: “You’re not Oscar.”
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“Manny wants Mayweather because that’s the biggest fight, the fight everyone wants to see. Shane isn’t even on my radar,” Roach said.
This has been the standard line from Roach the entire time. The Pacquiao camp has zero interest in fighting Mosley at 147, and they admit it's because Mosley is a far bigger threat than Oscar was. Roach said all along that Oscar was washed-up, had trigger issues, and wouldn't be good at 147 anymore -- he was right. He doesn't feel the same about Shane Mosley, obviously, and he's right.
Oscar doesn't think they'll ever fight Mosley:
Meanwhile, Oscar De La Hoya, with whom Mosley works in Golden Boy Promotions, said he doesn’t believe Pacquiao and his handlers would ever take the Mosley fight. And if they did, De La Hoya said, “Mosley would crush Pacquiao in a heartbeat.”
“That’s why I think it would never happen,” De La Hoya said. “Mosley is willing to come down in weight and take a smaller share of the pot, which show you he wants to fight the best. Obviously that’s an admirable quality.
“I just don’t feel Freddie and Manny will do it. … Mosley is too big a threat. Was I a risk when I came down to 147? Freddie Roach is smart. He saw something. Was Ricky Hatton a risk? Again, Freddie is a smart guy. That’s why he’s the best."
Roach responds that "we can crush Mosley [like we crushed Oscar]," but that seems to be bravado given his other comments. Fight him at 147 and see what happens. That's the fairest idea for everyone involved. It's also no shot at Pacquiao's manhood if they decide that it's simply not a good fight for them; hey, it's not like their real idea (the Mayweather-Marquez winner) is some easy fight.
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haha freddy
“you’re no oscar” funny stuff. shame that mosely still doesn’t get the respect thats due after 2 wins over oscar.
Roach responds that “we can crush Mosley [like we crushed Oscar],” but that seems to be bravado given his other comments. Fight him at 147 and see what happens. That’s the fairest idea for everyone involved.
i dont agree with this at all. manny is the draw, mannys the p4p king shanes calling out manny, he should met him where manny wants. shane has blown up and flew up weight classes much like manny is doing, he can lose 5 pounds and get to 142. don’t think manny and freddy really care about whats fair for shane, nor should they.
i for one think manny beats shane at 147, 142, 144 or whatever digit is after the 1 and 4. he’s just much better now than shane. shane will do much better than oscar and ricky did of course but manny still ends up stopping him.
by sonofapsycho on Jun 5, 2009 1:15 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
"you’re no oscar" funny stuff. shame that mosely still doesn’t get the respect thats due after 2 wins over oscar.
My interpretation is that Roach is saying, “Yeah, you’re more dangerous than Oscar.” A Mosley fight also offers, like, half? the money the Oscar fight did.
by SC on Jun 5, 2009 1:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My interpretation
is “Oscar’s a cash cow, you’re not.”
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by Brickhaus on Jun 5, 2009 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My interpretation
is “Oscar was shot, you’re not”
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by Chaos100 on Jun 5, 2009 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My interpretation
All of the above.
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
by jrok on Jun 5, 2009 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And I highly, highly doubt that Mosley can take off another 5 pounds
At least without having serious physical issues. He hasn’t been below 147 in years. At 35 years old, it’s damn near impossible to lose weight below your body’s natural threshhold. That’s why Castillo kept coming in over weight and Campbell came in over weight. At a certain point, your body just dries out, and that threshhold gets higher as you get older.
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by Brickhaus on Jun 5, 2009 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe
But at 147 Mosley still has great power, as was clear in his stoppage of Margarito, whose chin has always been good (he took a lot of solid shots from Cotto, loaded or unloaded hands aside).
Speaking of chins, Mosley has one of the best in boxing, though he has been down he has never been stopped.
I can see Manny outhustling him and beating him to the punch for 12 rounds, but a stoppage by Manny would not be the most likely outcome in my view. Manny’s power does carry, but Shane is very tough.
Besides that, Shane will be the biggest puncher Manny has faced in a while, if the fight does happen, and where JMM rocked Manny I can see Shane putting him on the canvas.
At 147, I think Shane might be too much for Manny, but I can also see your view as well. Both of these fighters are coming off great wins and I would love to see this fight.
by missmanners on Jun 5, 2009 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i take it as a dig at shane meaning hes no oscar money wise. meaning he doesn’t bring what oscar does/did to the tabel and now that manny is the man so he doesn’t have to sacrifice as much.
by sonofapsycho on Jun 5, 2009 1:55 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I’m sure Freddie meant it as a dig to Shane as well. The numbers back Freddie up on this though. Shane knows it. That’s why he’s willing to take the smaller split.
Personally, I agree with Oscar. I wouldn’t want this fight for Manny either. Shane is a beast.
by steak_knife on Jun 5, 2009 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s not really a dig though. He didn’t say “you’re no Oscar,” he said, “You’re not Oscar.” Even if he did mean the money thing, it’s just a fact. Everyone up to and including Shane Mosley knows he doesn’t draw Oscar money and never has.
by SC on Jun 5, 2009 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fighting Shane is too much risk for smaller financial reward.
I cant see this coming off. I doubt Shane could be as effective if he shed the pounds he is looking at a huge pay day. Mannys looking at Mayweather-Marquez winner.
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by dinkman on Jun 5, 2009 8:47 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Shane really is giving away the store with his offer. I mean, it’s the beginning of June and he’s practically arrived at the negotiating table buck naked. Shane is positive he can beat Manny at 147, and if the rumor is true that he has since offered to agree to something in the 144 range, he is super confident he has the keys to Manny’s ride, and that after he beats him and Mayweather beats Marquez, a 147 superfight between them is guaranteed to happen.
142 is ridiculous though. That’s the exact line in sand, which is why Roach threw it out there… Shane would have to chop off a foot or something. I think even Shane knows this would be suicidal. He could probably still get a Cotto rematch after losing to Manny, but Mayweather is off the table forever.
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
by jrok on Jun 5, 2009 9:36 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Obviously Manny has opponents everywhere he turns his head and he is squeezing everybody to get the best possible fight.
by rey_agan on Jun 8, 2009 2:35 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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