Saturday Morning Notes: Klitschko-Chagaev is official, Haye-Arreola may come
Wladimir Klitschko has decided to face Ruslan Chagaev on June 20, with his alphabet straps and the vacant Ring Magazine world heavyweight championship on the line rather than wait for the possibility of fighting David Haye on July 11, Dan Rafael reports.
HBO has passed on airing Klitschko-Chagaev, as it had been said they would. It's kind of a shame when you really think about it. I know the economy is what it is and everyone's tightening the belts, but Klitschko-Chagaev is a far more interesting and more significant fight than any of his last six fights, all of which were aired by HBO. The Ibragimov stinker of 2008 had some significance since it unified Ibragimov's WBO title with Klitschko's IBF/IBO pair, but we're crowning a real world champion now, and Chagaev is a tough proposition, a lefty with some thump who's in his prime years. If he beats Klitschko, don't be stunned. Klitschko-Chagaev isn't as intriguing a fight as Klitschko-Haye was, but it beats the crap out of the bombs that HBO has fed us from Wladimir the last few years. It's disappointing that they passed. Maybe I'm the only one that feels that way, but we all put in time watching those rotten fights, and here comes the most interesting one he's had in years and American fans will be looking to internet feeds from Germany.
For the record, the Ring Magazine championship will be joined by Klitschko's WBO, IBF and IBO titles as well as Chagaev's WBA title. All are on the line in this one.
This whole goofy heavyweight scenario of the last week is really worth a recap, just so you can wrap your brains around it: Chagaev's rematch with Nikolai Valuev is scrapped because of Chagaev having Hepatitis B, and the Finnish regulators putting the kibosh on that whole mess. Chagaev, a week later, is healthy enough to fight in Germany, replacing Haye, who pulled out because of a back injury that will be fixed with physical therapy within three weeks' time.
There's a whole lot to not like about both situations (and this one, honestly), but at the end of the day we're getting a totally legit fight for the division.
I think it's also worth saying that maybe Klitschko taking this fight and not waiting on the chance that Haye will be ready to go in a few weeks is Wladimir and his team sending a bit of an F-you to Haye, who talked and wore borderline obscene shirts and really got under Wlad's skin during their press tour, only to pull out of the fight. With Klitschko taking the Chagaev fight, it puts Haye at the end of the line. Alexander Povetkin is the next mandatory for Klitschko assuming Wladimir beats Chagaev, and then there's Chris Arreola waiting for a mandatory shot, too. Haye now has to fight someone.
On that topic, Rick Reeno of BoxingScene.com is reporting that Arreola and Haye just might work out a fight. It's a very attractive TV matchup, a potential cracker of a fight, and would feel in many ways like a true eliminator. Neither guy has beaten the top competition at heavyweight and, frankly, questions surround both.
But a fight between Arreola and Haye is not even close to a done deal. If Dan Goossen and Arreola have their druthers, they'll be fighting WBC titlist Vitali Klitschko in the near future. Vitali's case against the WBC -- which is trying to make the titlist fight about 38 mandatories in a row thanks to their absurd rankings and presents to fighters like Oleg Maskaev, of all the people -- will soon be hashed out. If Vitali gets his way, he'll fight Arreola, apparently. If he doesn't, Arreola-Haye is a real possibility, and Vitali will be stuck fighting Maskaev and trying to land that fight on HBO or Showtime despite its complete lack of appeal.
One more bit about Haye: Everyone in his camp is "baffled" his injury, but Nick Peet of the Liverpool Echo says that Setanta's money troubles are not to blame. The injury is legit, he says.
- Golden Boy super prospect Daniel Jacobs will be back in action on the June 26 edition of ESPN2 Friday Night Fights, facing 35-year old George Walton (20-3, 12 KO). Jacobs last fought on the Hatton-Pacquiao undercard, beating tough, durable veteran Michael Walker over eight rounds. I guess that might've been the fight of the night, huh?
- Kassim the Dream has a review from Daniel Eagan, one of those "ehhh" reviews. Best part: "Ouma clearly enjoys playing to the camera, and he is expert at gauging what his listeners want to hear, whether they are drug dealers or congressional representatives." Another non-glowing review of the movie can be read here. The movie currently sits at 50% (3 out of 6) at Rotten Tomatoes. Frankly, it sounds like it's just not that good.
- Here's an incredibly fresh look at how MMA is killing boxing because boxing is boring and no MMA fight is ever bad. It's really about time someone said something. I've been trying to hold back for years, but I have to just say it: MMA is more popular than boxing these days. I know -- I know...
- Alabama's Deontay Wilder (who will be on the Jacobs-Walton FNF card) talks about the Boxing Act he's helped push in his home state. Even if he never pans out, he's already done a great service to the sport in Alabama. That's a dude worth rooting for.
- In case you missed it and are Paul Spadafora's cousin who might care, Spadafora has hired Pernell Whitaker to train him. Where he's getting the money to pay "Sweet Pea" is beyond me since he never fights and no one cares when he does. Most interesting in the story is that Spadafora is working with Whitaker because his trainer, Jesse Reid, has gone to the Wild Card in California to replace Michael Moorer as Freddie Roach's chief assistant.
- Former boxer Charles "Duke" Tanner (19-0, 11 KO from 1998-2004) of Hammond, Indiana, was sentenced to life in prison for drug trafficking.
- Gabriel Montoya of Maxboxing has a nice feature on Amir Khan, who says he can still make 135 if he needs to. Freddie Roach says they'd be willing to fight Ricky Hatton at 140, or Juan Manuel Marquez at 135 or 140. I think talking about what's next for Khan is pretty foolish considering Andriy Kotelnik is a top five-ish guy at 140.
- Despite what seemed to be some recent problems between the two sides, Kelly Pavlik will be staying with Top Rank. He plans to sign a new, two-year deal with the company.
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Klitschko-Chagaev-Well im happy for that. A fight worthy for the title. Shame on HBO.
Haye-Arreola is a perfect matchup. High risk high rewards. Too exciting guys..see what happens. And that will be nothing this year, waiting game now.
I cant get into MMA. Bores me 90% of time.I read somewhere its killing Wrestling not Boxing.
When you dream ,anything is possible. People can fly. Theres a moment when you wake and become aware of your surroundings..but you are still dreaming. You may think you can fly but you better not try...
MMA has their niche just like boxing has their niche, the thing is that MMA niche is significantly bigger than boxing. I mean there are more WASP’s than there are minorities. There is nothing wrong with that… A analogy would be that some people like Nascar, and some people like cart racing or off road racing… It isn’t anything to lose sleep over.
"Boxing is dirty," said Casamayor. " The day I’m not ready to be a dirty fighter is the day I don’t fight anymore because it will mean that I have no heart for it anymore."
This mma thing drives me crazy
They are all different sports and there is plenty of room for everybody. Problems in boxing (or wrestling) are not being caused by mma. and furthermore mma is not popular, the ufc brand is. Every other clueless promoter who tried jump on the bandwagon lost its ass. UFC has created a very successful brand which people trust on ppv. But when boxing puts on a good show and markets it well people take interest, same goes for pro wrestling.
Exactly… compare the Margarito/Mosley vs the Affliction PPV that they had on the same day in less 10 miles away from each other. You had a sold out event and another one that had to be papered. It is all about how you market your product and I will give Dana his due… he is an unbelievable business savvy individual.
"Boxing is dirty," said Casamayor. " The day I’m not ready to be a dirty fighter is the day I don’t fight anymore because it will mean that I have no heart for it anymore."
You have to give White his due. I’ve thought for years that Boxing promoters could learn a lot from White, but most big promotions are tied up in the hands of old Americans who think in terms of how boxing was marketed and promoted a quarter century ago, and middle-aged Europeans who act and think like a cartel. I’ve also thought that both sports could do a lot better working cooperatively, but so far the experiments with cross-promotions have been atrocious.
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
There is a way to do it
But it’s a prisoner’s dilemma for the promoters. Basically, they’d need to turn over a small portion of fees and control to an overarching organization. If I had the money to support myself without work, I’ve put a ton of thought into it and think I’ve figured out a way it would work, if you can get the major networks and one or two big promoters on board. But I don’t want to go into it too much – if I ever win the lottery, it’s the business I want to start.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Sign me up, boss… I’d hit the eject button on my job in a minute.
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
It would be a big risk, just because of the personalities involved
At the end of the day, everyone (networks, promoters, fighters, etc.) would end up making more money, but between enormous egos (Greenburg, Schaffer, DiBella, etc.) and people who are always trying to negotiate for a better position even when they already have the best position (Arum, King, etc.) it would be tough to make it work out even if the business plan is perfect.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
There so many ways in which the current model fails.. structurally, legally, creatively. I think we can forget about Arum, Kin, DiBella, Greenburg… certain leopards are not going to change their spots. Golden Boy offers some interesting opportunities for growth, now that DLH will be concentrating solely on the business side of things. Hopkins will eventually move in that direction as well, once he gets whatever “farewell fight” he is hoping for. If I ever met Hopkins in a business setting, I would recount to one of my favorite boxing anecdotes of the last decade, entitled “How I Watched Hopkins-Calzaghe on a 17” Television in the Basement of Dempsy’s."
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
Kassim the Dream has a review from Daniel Eagan, one of those “ehhh” reviews. Best part: “Ouma clearly enjoys playing to the camera, and he is expert at gauging what his listeners want to hear, whether they are drug dealers or congressional representatives.” Another non-glowing review of the movie can be read here. The movie currently sits at 50% (3 out of 6) at Rotten Tomatoes. Frankly, it sounds like it’s just not that good.
i saw this at the philly film festival a couple months ago. i was kinda “ehh”. iit wasn’t very well done. kassim is a bit of a goofball and does play to the cameras some, like smoking weed in broad daylight right outside his gym. it was kinda disappointing because its such an amazing story. however, there are great parts, his return to ghana is pretty great footage. the stuff with his grandmom and visit to his dads grave especially. it’s worth a look though for sure, its not boring or anything, i think the average boxing fan will enjoy it.
no MMA fight is ever bad
i suppose this retard hasn’t seen anderson silvas last two fights against cote and leitas as well as any fight where a wrestler dry humps on top of a guy for 3 rounds with nothing significant ever happens.
HBO has passed on airing Klitschko-Chagaev
my hatred for hbo is well known by now, it wouldn’t surprise me if those empty suits have even heard of chageav. along with the extreme bias and now nitpicking and horrible decision making of fights just shows how much a joke they have become.
I just really hope that ESPN or Showtime picks it up
ESPN has picked up fights on short notice before. Unfortunately, it would need to be on Classic due to the college world series, but this just seems like SUCH a no-brainer for someone to pick up. Hell, if nobody does and they can work it out, I’d buy the card on PPV. No spectacular fights on the undercard, but nothing worse than the last few major PPVs (Alexander Ustinov vs. Michael Sprott with Andy Lee, Johnathon Banks and Cedric Boswell vs TBA).
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Wasn’t Vitali-Gomez on Classic? I’ve already forgotten…
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
Yes
It was supposed to be on regular ESPN, but they had to move it to Classic because the time got pushed back by an hour. There have been a few other fights on Classic as well that were picked up late. I know Mora-Ayala for sure, and I’m pretty sure one of the recent Holyfield fights was on classic picked up late.
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Another possibility
Is that MSG picked up Haye-Maccaranelli and Briggs-Ibragimov. They haven’t picked up any fights lately, and they don’t air nationally, but at least it would be SOMETHING.
Annyway, another story up on the issue.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
To be fair
Leites was not even interested in fighting.
The “no MMA fight is bad” notion is ludicrous. I’ve seen on horrible looking fights and he generalized MMA as a whole.
What I like about the UFC and WEC is I can get quality fights on cable TV and not have everything chucked to PPV. And even after the PPV is over I still have UFC Unleashed on Spike and replays of a PPV (like UFC 93) card.
Boxing is doing itself in not because a lack of quality fights, but because the days of Ali/Frazier on ABC are O-V-E-R. You’re not even allowed to show the highlights on Sportscenter. The television and marketing coverage for boxing is absolutely brutal.
Seattle Seahawks: We've got Brian Russell and TWO kickers!
Yeah… the fact that national TV neglects boxing isn’t without reasons. They don’t want to risk and broadcast a death in boxing like what happened with Kim.
The opposite is true in other nations, Germany is crazy for boxing. Both their two big stations ARD and ZDF pay millions of euros to broadcast guys like Sturm vs Sato.
"Boxing is dirty," said Casamayor. " The day I’m not ready to be a dirty fighter is the day I don’t fight anymore because it will mean that I have no heart for it anymore."
Leites was not even interested in fighting.
nor was silva interested in going to the ground with him or even attack him standing up which made the fight unbearable and a huge clusterfuck.
What I like about the UFC and WEC is I can get quality fights on cable TV and not have everything chucked to PPV. And even after the PPV is over I still have UFC Unleashed on Spike and replays of a PPV (like UFC 93) card.
thats true. other than the times the ufc shoves former tuf fighters down our throats on the fight night cards. for the record im a huge mma fan, i’ve been watching since ufc 1. not the biggest fan of dana and some of the ufc’s business practices but thats a different story.
Boxing is doing itself in not because a lack of quality fights, but because the days of Ali/Frazier on ABC are O-V-E-R. You’re not even allowed to show the highlights on Sportscenter. The television and marketing coverage for boxing is absolutely brutal.
the big fights are doing good as always. the bar i go to is always jam packed on fight night. the showtime cards and regular hbo stuff i agree with you. plus with the lack of good fights on free tv (not to mention the god awful cards hbo ppv makes everyone pay 50 bucks for) like the old days of wide world of sports and the old cbs fights, boxing is indeed shooting itself in the foot in the states.
Well it is disappointing that HBO didn’t pickup the Wald fight, the good news is that whatever money that they didn’t spent will be used later on in the year for another fight. I mean they spent over 1.75 million dollars on that awful Dawson/Tarver fight, so just think about the money that they would have to spend showing Wald.
"Boxing is dirty," said Casamayor. " The day I’m not ready to be a dirty fighter is the day I don’t fight anymore because it will mean that I have no heart for it anymore."
I liked Ross Greenburg’s POV
Greenburg stuck to his guns.
“It’s not a fight we would be interested in,” he said. “We want to save our money for later in the year if Wladimir is going to come back and fight again. We think that the Haye fight was going to be a good fight in the ring. I’m not expecting a lot out of Wladimir vs. Chagaev, so it was a pretty easy decision. If we had bought this now, we would not have had anything else left for Wladimir this year if anything else pops up, like a rescheduled David Haye fight, a Cris Arreola fight, anything that has some pop to it.”
"Boxing is dirty," said Casamayor. " The day I’m not ready to be a dirty fighter is the day I don’t fight anymore because it will mean that I have no heart for it anymore."
The FNF main event last night was interesting. Carlos Molina (17-4-1, 5 KOs) soundly beat Danny Perez (34-6, 17 KOs) on only 6 days notice. Molina’s now on a 9 fight winning streak with several solid wins, many on short notice like this one.
Teddy said (and I agree) that Molina’s nothing special, but he does everything well, fights smart with plenty of good subtle moves, and has that intangible “behaves like a fighter” attribute. Between him and Antwone Smith, its the year of the b-side fighter on FNF.
Wasn't a bad win
Good win for him over Alexis Camacho last time out as well. He doesn’t LOOK like he trains full time (and most non-prospects at that level don’t), so even though he doesn’t have immense talent, he’s one of those guys who could sneak up on people if he can quit his day job, start training full time and hire someone who can teach him how to improve on his deficiencies.
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
UK Boxing
While you guys are on the subject of broadcasters, it was in the Boxing News magazine in the UK that ITV won’t be renewing their contract with Hennessey sports (Carl Froch’s Promoter) which runs out in a couple of months.
ITV is the 3rd boxing broadcaster in the UK behind Sky Sports and Setanta. The difference being that ITV is free to air TV wheras the other two are subscriptions. They tend to show a fight card every two or three weeks. Domestic British fights mostly.
It will be a big shame if nobody else picks up the slack (which I doubt they will) and it seems to have gone un-noticed which is fairly symptomatic of the declining interest in boxing broadcasting over here.
Steve Bunce pointed out the other day how the BBC chose to show 4 hours of live Gymnastics(!) rather than any of the British Ameteur Boxing Championships which they had the rights to. Hmmm
I love the itv broadcasts. I can’t remember the lst bad show they did in fact. They are idiots to give it up at this point. I honestly believe they are on the verge of something. They have made such an effort with Fury, and its beginning to develop some traction. Froch is on a role in terms of great fights and theres more huge nights ahead. and then you have stuff like the potential Darren Barker Mat Macklin match, which should be great as well. setanta will snap this stuff up straight away.
It seems stupid that they would drop it. I can only assume that there was a massive clash between the two sides; possibly because of the froch taylor thing
Not to even mention that Setanta might be going under
Gymnastics gets huge ratings though, at least in the US. Completely different ad market, but you get a lot of older women who are into gymnastics. This is coming from a boxing fan, but woman’s gymnastics is one of the few sports I’m borderline morally opposed to. To do it at a high level, you basically need to ruin your body from such a young age that it’s really just the parents torturing their children for a shot at glory, and then the physical effects last for a lifetime. At least with most other sports, it’s better not to train whole-hog until you’ve hit puberty, but half of those girls don’t even go through puberty until they retire. It’s not as bad now that there’s an age limit, but there’s still tons of abuse that goes on.
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Interesting
I geuss I didn’t really look at it that way. Probably because I didn’t want to acknowledge that gymnastics is now a bigger sport than boxing. Kidding. daytime demographics and such.
As for the Setanta issue – its worrying the money problems they are having. It’s no garauntee that they would pick up some of the fights that Hennessey sports have. Sky seems to have deep enough pockets to make it their mission to run setanta into the ground. Particularly with the football (soccer) contract that they made for the coming summer. They basically blew setanta out of the water with a huge money offer that no one anticipated (everybody speculated that because of the recession the deals would have to be much smaller).

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