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Early Friday Morning Notes: Pavlik-Froch rumor, Dib fight sparks chaos

No matter how the rumors shake out, it looks like Carl Froch will have a big fight in October. He'll either face middleweight champ Kelly Pavlik or Andre Dirrell in the Showtime super middleweight tournament. (via www.telegraph.co.uk)

No matter how the rumors shake out, it looks like Carl Froch will have a big fight in October. He'll either face middleweight champ Kelly Pavlik or Andre Dirrell in the Showtime super middleweight tournament. (via www.telegraph.co.uk)

Top Rank's Twitter feed came out with a pretty heavy rumor tonight: "it's just a rumor, but we'll let you know when it's confirmed... Pavlik vs Froch - Oct 3rd"

It seems like a rumor's rumor, what with the Showtime super middleweight tournament having a scheduled press conference for June 13 in New York. Froch (25-0, 20 KO) holds the WBC 168-pound title and is scheduled to face Andre Dirrell (18-0, 13 KO) in the first round of the tournament's round robin format.

But if this were to come through, it's undoubtedly a bigger money fight for Froch, and it would signal the end of Kelly Pavlik's uneventful reign as middleweight champion. Pavlik (35-1, 31 KO) is scheduled to return on October 3 no matter what, and Froch would be a big opponent. His canceled June opponent, Sergio Mora, appears totally out of consideration. Fan response to that fight was less than lukewarm, so it's understandable.

Froch-Pavlik is major. The tournament is huge, too. Were Froch to drop out, who replaces him? This is all hypothetical and I don't actually expect Froch-Pavlik to happen, but say it does. Who are the candidates at 168, or to move up from 160 and replace Froch in the tournament?

  • IBF titlist Lucian Bute was angry that he wasn't invited, although the network says he was. The tournament starts in October, but some slight shuffling might make it possible to get Bute in there. He wants to do a rematch with Librado Andrade, who would also seem like a candidate for the fill-in slot.
  • Contender season three champion Sakio Bika is out there, chomping at the bit for a big fight. In my view, he's the perfect replacement. He's a guy no one wants to fight, so forcing dudes to get in there with him would be a form of justice in a way. Bika is flat-out dangerous for anyone in the tournament. I actually would like his shot better than I do Froch's.
  • American contender Allan Green and his promoter love to talk about stepping up, but they've yet to do it. This would be a chance. Getting Green in there with the heavy hitters could be interesting. He's got a lot of pop.
  • Karoly Balzsay and the man he defeated, Denis Inkin, are both legit ideas, but they would further skew the tournament toward the "European audience," probably meaning more fights taking place in Germany or the like. Neither has any name in America.

Is it awful of me to half take a dump on Andre Dirrell and say I'd rather see Froch-Pavlik in the tournament at Dirrell's expense? I think Dirrell deserves to be there and I love the fact that both he and Andre Ward are willing to enter a tournament like this with those pretty zeroes on their records and little in the way of legitimate tests thus far, but if you put Pavlik in there it gets even more gigantic and intriguing. Pavlik has been an "HBO fighter" for a while now, but the network has shown little interest in him this year and with Abraham leaving 160 for this tournament, he's out of truly exciting potential opponents. Like it or not, and whether he's ready or not, time to move up is probably here.

  • In a less exciting news story, Ronnie Nathanielsz reports that Billy Dib's one-round stoppage of Kenichi Yamaguchi in Sydney turned ugly. Dib was reeling in the opening round, but came back to deck Yamaguchi with one second left in the frame. He then hit Yamaguchi with what was called "a hard shot" while he was down, and referee Les Fear (note: SERIOUSLY?! Les Fear?!) stopped the bout when Yamaguchi appeared wobbly. Yamaguchi shoved Fear and Dib got into a push-and-shove with folks who entered the ring. The whole thing could've been uglier, of course, but this is bad enough. And from the descriptions out there, it sounds like a God awful refereeing job. Punches to downed fighters do happen, and that's Dib's explanation, but it's the referee's responsibility to protect the hit man in that case, and stopping the fight doesn't sound like the right call.
  • Antonio Margarito sent his application to fight to the Mexican boxing commission for a fight in September or October. Zab Judah and Carlos Baldomir have been bandied about as opponents, but Judah seems highly unlikely. Baldomir could happen. It's a rotten, transparent fight. Baldomir is feather-fisted, old, even slower than Margarito (even when we all thought he was the bee's knees, he was slow, that's not a piling-on shot), and doesn't really mean much at this point. Margarito fighting in Mexico while suspended by the CSAC for the charges against him would completely discredit the commission down there. It would be a travesty.

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It's bad enough

Dib was included in FNR4. Please don’t talk about him. And Antonio Margarito can go fuck himself. I wish he’d fade into Bolivian.
/Tyson
It is stupid Bute wasn’t invited (or whatever) to this tourney, but I’m still excited about it. I still think the reason Green wasn’t invited is his documented history of no-showing/randomly dropping out. And perhaps staring at his feet.

Boxing is like jazz. The better it is, the less people appreciate it.
-George Foreman

by jsims2 on Jul 10, 2009 6:15 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I still think the reason Green wasn’t invited is his documented history of no-showing/randomly dropping out.

A fine point.

by SC on Jul 10, 2009 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Who says Froch has to drop out?

Win or lose his stock will still be super high unless he gets absolutely blown out which I severely doubt. If he beats Pavlik his stock is even higher in the tournament, if he loses he has a chance to redeem himself and seek a post tourney big money rematch. If Pavlik wins he has street cred to call to fight the tournaments high finishing fighters and it gives hiim momentum to challenge Bute at 168. (I think Bute whips him despite my belief that Bute was gifted his fight against Andrade.)

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jul 10, 2009 7:46 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Because if Pavlik-Froch is Oct. 3, I doubt he’ll be fighting again in Oct./Nov. against Andre Dirrell. That’s all.

by SC on Jul 10, 2009 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think all of this means that we can’t lose! Pavlik would have been out in the wilderness if the tournament where to take place as we thought. It sort of forces them to move up and look for Froch before he signs on the dottedd line for the tournament. If it doesn’t happen, we get the tournament – win win.

The depth of competition at Super-middleweight is so much better than at middleweight. Does anyone think Pavlik is any better equipped for SMW now than he was when fighting hopkins? If he fights Froch his chances are pretty good IMO. The opportunities will be there to execute the KO. But I think abraham would ‘moider da bum’ – especially at the higher weight.

by Brett87 on Jul 10, 2009 8:46 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Bute needs to be in the tournament.

"Boxing is dirty," said Casamayor. " The day I’m not ready to be a dirty fighter is the day I don’t fight anymore because it will mean that I have no heart for it anymore."

by Zocalo on Jul 10, 2009 9:57 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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