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On Mayweather, Marquez, and De la Hoya ganging up on Pacquiao

Mark Vester over at Boxing Scene just reported about a press conference for the September 19 Mayweather-Marquez bout wherein the two fighters involved, with the co-promoter Oscar De la Hoya (Mayweather is the other promoter) took digs on current pound-for-pound kingpin Manny Pacquiao.

Floyd Mayweather, Jr. commenced the verbal lashings, starting sofly by praising Pacquiao sparsely, but then proceeding to take him down the pedestal quickly: "Pacquiao is a good fighter, I don't think nothing away from him," Mayweather said. "He hasn't done anything I haven't done. Where was he when I was dominating the '90s? He hasn't called me out. I'm not worried about him. With or without him, I'm comfortable. I'm happy. He don't make me. I don't chase opponents. Opponents chase me. The biggest fight in boxing is Mayweather versus anybody."

After side commenting on Pacquiao and his promoter Bob Arum of Top Rank, he continued by raising his opponent Juan Manuel Marquez over Pacquiao, by virtue of his views about their two respective fights, "I would have to rate (Marquez) over Manny. For a guy to knock him down three times in the first round and come back to get a draw, we know who lost."

So, Floyd, you "don't take anything away" from Pacquiao, eh?

From your sea of unceasingly entertaining comments, I'll give you one thing you're taking away from him: his win against Marquez.

Mayweather has always been a joy to listen to, not necessarily pleasant to hear all the time, in press conferences, but he also has a habit of contradicting himself or blurring his comments at times, his interview with ESPN's Brian Kenny comes to mind. I have another recent interview to share to back this up.

As head-scratching as the above words regarding Pacquiao may be, De la Hoya and Marquez were quick to attest to Pretty Boy's beliefs, aggrandizing it in no time: "I'd have to go with Floyd. I felt more skill coming out of Mayweather than I did with Pacquiao. The winner between Mayweather and Marquez is the best pound-for-pound fighter on the planet. The fans are the ones who speak and we all know Marquez beat Pacquiao."

Marquez kicks in, "Mayweather is the best. He retired undefeated. When I fought Manny I thought I beat him both times."

Okay.

Well I wouldn't write this if I don't have my reservations about it and yes, I beg to disagree.

De la Hoya opined that Marquez defeated Pacquiao, and saying that "the fans are the ones to speak" not only looks to condone his previous statement that "the winner between Mayweather and Marquez is the best pound-for-pound fighter", it also points to his view that "we all know Marquez beat Pacquiao" as if as a confirmation. Well, Oscar, I'm one of those "fans" and I'm ready to declare that there indeed is a crowd that believes otherwise as much as there is who believe likewise, and I respect your opinions or theirs. But for the record, I think Pacquiao beat Marquez both times. When I first watch Marquez-Pacquiao on TV about five years ago, I originally thought that Pacquiao was lucky to escape with a draw, considering how he was thoroughly outboxed by Marquez the rest of the way. But when I watch it years later, I scored it and I saw it differently. It wasn't as "thorough" as I first thought-- I scored it for Pacquiao with the gap as much as HBO ringside judge Harold Lederman's card, 115-112. The second one, I've watched it countless times and it's one of my most favorite fights ever, and I scored it at least thrice and always came up with the same denominations: 114-113 for Pacquiao. That's my opinion. You can lambast me all you want but all the argumentation that matters is only with the official judges.

I can't help but see the comments of these three as something that seems to reek of jealousy. Let's see: Mayweather is jealous that he is no longer unanimously considered the pound-for-pound champion that Pacquiao is now. De la Hoya is jealous because he's no longer boxing's top superstar and cash cow, titles which Pacquiao basically took away from him in their infamous "Dream Match". Marquez? Well, he could've been at Pacquiao's position right now had the judges swayed the decision in his favor by at least just a point, picking up the mantle as boxing's best when the abovementioned Mayweather retired. Maybe. I don't know. It seems.

By ganging up on Pacquiao and making him look bad with the things they said, Mayweather, De la Hoya, and Marquez are the ones who are looking bad.

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They’re just selling. I think it all points to Mayweather’s lack of willingness to get in there with Manny. The man’s not a risk-taker, never has been.

Anybody find a replay of the Brian Kenny interview with him today?

by lcollins1 on Jul 16, 2009 12:11 AM EDT reply actions  

Right

Mayweather is saying that he doesn’t need Pacquiao and stuff, like he won’t ever fight him for a 50-50 purse, that his legacy is complete without Pacquiao. Whatever. At best, he’s just not willing to fight Pacquiao.

As to the video, I haven’t watched it yet (I’m about to) and you can of course check it out on ESPN’s website (espn.go.com/boxing). =)

by Fj-3 on Jul 16, 2009 4:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Mayweather needs Pacquiao..

I love hearing this guy talk and fight… its beautiful and entertaining which is what boxing should be.

I’ve watched the fights between Marquez vs Pacquiao, the draw that they are speaking of… its honestly one of those that could have gone either way and I think the judgement of a draw was the right one.

If Mayweather can walk away from his bout with a win over Marquez… he needs a win over Pacquiao to put his name in the grouping of “Greatest of All Time”. The more he talks circles around a bout w/ Pacquiao, the more his fear of Pacquiao becomes evident.

While Marquez vs Pacquiao again doesn’t really register on the “must see” meter… I’ll watch it just cuz its Pacquiao. Manny made me a fan after his bout w/ Ricky Hatton… Hatton is one of my heroes and Manny just beat him silly. Lot of respect there.

Either way, Mayweather vs Marquez doesn’t name the best P4P fighter…. that fight has to include Pacquiao.

George Lucas is a major douche bag... do everyone a favor and forget how to use the internet.

by Gunslinger20 on Jul 17, 2009 4:44 AM EDT reply actions  

Yeah, opinions differ but I concede that their two fights could've easily gone another way

And I won’t have a problem about that. I think, though, that Pacquiao-Marquez III is a definite must-see, not as much as Pac-Mayweather, but still. =)

by Fj-3 on Jul 17, 2009 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

I really do think Pacquiao knocks Marquez out within six or seven rounds at 140 pounds, but then Marquez has certainly surprised me before.

by Scott Christ on Jul 17, 2009 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

This comment is asinine
For a guy to knock him down three times in the first round and come back to get a draw, we know who lost.

I get what he’s trying to say but it’s not like Marquez gave Pacquiao free knowdowns in the first round and still faught to a draw. This is like saying that the Rangers gave up 3 goals in the opening minutes but since they were able to tie the game up before the end regulation, they actually won. No, it’s a tie/draw.

by Sokojoe on Jul 17, 2009 3:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Pacquiao vs. Mayweather Jr. = interesting

Pacquiao vs. Marquez = great great boxing fight
Marquez vs. Mayweather Jr. = boring
Pacquiao vs. Mayweather Jr. = interesting

i think… to finally settle this once and for all… i would suggest for Manny Pacquiao and Junior Mayweather to fight with a 70% – 30% split… 70% goes to whom ever wins!!!

by No BS on Jul 26, 2009 6:27 AM EDT reply actions  

I always like the idea of these “winner takes the larger share” fights. Too bad boxers (and their promoters) won’t ever go for it.

by Scott Christ on Jul 26, 2009 7:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Historically, it was done via side bet

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by Brickhaus on Aug 3, 2009 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pretty harsh

But yeah, pretty accurate. Except that Marquez-Mayweather isn’t really that boring. I’m amazed at Mayweather’s boxing skills while Marquez will still try to make it a fight, despite the fact that he’s usually a counterpuncher.

I’ve thought of that win-share too, but marked it by 60-40. =)

by Fj-3 on Jul 26, 2009 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

What

Marquez is a Great fighter ,he’s always catagorized as a counter puncherand “boring”.Come Sept. we will see an indication of his greatness for all to see.Get ready for Marquez-Pacquiao 3 fo sho!!!!!

NEVER MISS A GAME,WHETHER BY BEING THERE OR WATCHING AT HOME,FO SHO!!!

by Gorditoe1 on Aug 2, 2009 7:30 AM EDT reply actions  

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