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Mosley lowballs Berto, challenges Pacquiao at 140

Welterweight star Shane Mosley put out a press release stating his willingness to fight at 140 pounds for the first time in his career after coming in low with an offer to Andre Berto. (via images.sportinglife.com)

Welterweight star Shane Mosley put out a press release stating his willingness to fight at 140 pounds for the first time in his career after coming in low with an offer to Andre Berto. (via images.sportinglife.com)

WBA welterweight titlist Shane Mosley sent out a press release today making the statement that he's ready to go all the way down to 140 pounds, a division he never fought in, to face pound-for-pound king and junior welterweight world champion Manny Pacquiao.

"There is unfinished business to take care of. I have never fought at junior welterweight, but I'm ready to fight at 140 now. I am coming after Pacquiao's belt.

"This is the fight the fans want and I'm prepared to give it to them. It's up to Bob Arum and Manny Pacquiao to stop running from me and step up to the challenge. Let's meet in the ring at 140.

"I want to reclaim the title of best pound-for-pound fighter in the world. First Pacquiao, then Mayweather. I'm ready to put all of the naysayers to rest."

This all sounds valiant and admirable. Mosley turns 38 in September, and hasn't fought below 147 since 1999, when he made a two-division jump from 135 to welterweight, chasing a fight with Oscar de la Hoya. Since losing back-to-back fights to Vernon Forrest in 2002, Mosley has split time between 147 and 154. He's looked considerably better at 147, but dropping back down to 140 at his age and after so long out of that weight class could sap him of his strength, speed and stamina. Look what happened to Oscar de la Hoya, who tried to make 147 for the first time in seven years last December against Pacquiao.

And while this all sounds nice and risky and like a potential real good time, you also have to take into account the fact that Mosley just lowballed Andre Berto on a discussed welterweight title unification. Rick Reeno reports that Mosley and Golden Boy Promotions came to Berto with an offer of $750,000 for the fight, which is less than Berto made this year fighting Luis Collazo and Juan Urango. Frankly, it's an insultingly low offer considering HBO is reportedly willing to put up $3 million alone. Mosley wants the lion's share, and he deserves the bigger piece of the pie to be sure, but I think a lot of people would be surprised to discover that the gap in star power between the two isn't as wide as it should be. HBO knows what Mosley's fights draw when he's the A-side of the matchup.

But Mosley-Berto is a really good fight and if Shane wants to fight this year, he should make it happen. If he's so confident in where he's at, he'd take that fight, get another good win under his belt, take the "0" from one of the best and most hyped young fighters in boxing, and then try to find that Pacquiao fight, or Mayweather.

It's also odd that everyone just assumes Pacquiao beats Miguel Cotto in November. I mean, that fight is happening. If this is a ploy by Shane to try to stop that from going down, it's a complete waste of time and they know it. Pacquiao-Mosley could happen in 2010, if Pacquiao beats Cotto. Of course, Mayweather is bigger money than Mosley, and if he wants Pacquiao, that'll happen, which would leave Shane talking and chewing up his career golden years. The guy needs to be in the ring. He just scored one of the most dramatic, stunning wins of his career in January and all he's done since is talk.

As for Berto, a rematch with Luis Collazo may be his only other option. I don't think he or Lou DiBella are chomping at the bit to make that one, and Collazo has reportedly demanded $900,000 for the fight from his promoter, Don King. There's also Selcuk Aydin, and there are rumors that the Turkish government may get involved to try to bring Berto over there to fight Aydin in a soccer stadium. Putting one and one together and you can guess that traveling to Turkey to meet Aydin might be more lucrative than the $750K that Mosley is offering.

Truthfully, as much as I love Shane Mosley, I think he's really screwing the pooch right now. He's got no fights he's willing to take for reasonable splits other than Pacquiao. He wants only big fights but those guys (Pacquiao and Mayweather) are busy. Is he going to sit around waiting on them, getting older and not fighting? That seems a terrible plan.

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Dropping to 140 is insane...

I’m a Sugar Shane fan but he needs to give up on the Pacman fight for now even though I think he deserves the fight over Cotto. Andre Berto would’ve been a good matchup…I’m sure Mosley will take em to school if he decides to fight him. Another one could be Paul Williams but thats a dangerous fight for Mosley. Things are gonna get interesting after the Mayweather/Marquez and Pacman/Cotto fights. I’m curious to see who Mayweather chooses to fight after Marquez. He stated on ESPN that he’s not willing to settle for a 50/50 purse with Pacman…so will he be willing to fight Mosley? And to top it off Margarito expects his ban to be lifted in September and has mentioned he wants a tune up fight followed by a title shot. Yup…things are about to get alot more interesting.

by ultimoshogun on Jul 17, 2009 3:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

You've only made a few posts here.....

and almost all of them have included either something about Mosley “deserving” a fight with Pacquaio over Cotto (despite Cotto’s head-to-head win), or how you thought Clottey beat Cotto. We get it.

Say it with me….

Cotto beat Mosley
Cotto beat Clottey

Enjoy Cotto-Pacquiao.

"Karma - there it was. The meaning of life, straight from Carson Daly's lips to my morphine-laced ears." -Earl Hickey

by BLee2525 on Jul 17, 2009 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Like I said before...

I’m going by current events…Cotto beat Mosley in 2007. Mosley destroyed the man who destroyed Cotto this year. That makes Mosley the man to beat at WW. The judges at the Cotto/Clottey fight were influenced by thr PR crowd. They were goin nuts even though most of Cotto’s shots weren’t landing clean. Clottey on the other hand had Cotto retreating the second half of the fight and landed more punches at a higher connect percent but somehow he still lost. Don’t get me wrong , I think Pacman vs Cotto will be a great fight and I’m looking forward to it but I would just like to see the two top guns at the moment fight eachother which is Pacman & Mosley.

by ultimoshogun on Jul 18, 2009 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mosley destroyed the man who destroyed Cotto this year.

There’s a great big asterisk on Cotto-Margarito now.

by SC on Jul 18, 2009 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We'll see if Cotto is willing to fight him again..

I’m betting Cotto will want no part of Margarito when he comes back. He probably still has nightmares about Margarito. I hope they do fight again so Margarito can prove the doubters wrong and vindicate himself in the process. Cotto just struggles with elite fighters when they take him into deep water. Once he knew he wasn’t hurting Mosley he began to run in the late rounds. The only difference between his fights with Margarito and Clottey was that Margarito kept constant pressure and threw more punches than Clottey. If Clottey had picked up the pace he would’ve stopped Cotto. However it’s his own fault for not closing strong and leaving it in the hands of the judges.

by ultimoshogun on Jul 18, 2009 12:32 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Margarito has no business ever fighting again. This is not some minor offense we’re talking about.

by SC on Jul 18, 2009 1:57 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Seriously...

Do you have any idea what Marg’s did? That last statement is BEYOND ignorant if you do.

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jul 18, 2009 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Your cutoff for "current events"...

rather conveniently falls in the six month window between November 2007 and June 2008.

I don’t know how you can say that the judges were definitively influenced by the crowd in Cotto-Clottey. At least half the people scoring round-by-round at BLH scored the fight for Cotto, including myself. Were they influenced by the crowd? Was Dan Rafael? He scored it for Cotto as well. As one of the writers here said after the fight, it’s not a robbery just because your guy lost. Cotto was retreating the second half of the fight because he couldn’t see Clottey’s right, not because he was in any serious jeopardy. He spent 3 rounds getting tagged by that punch, and made a strategic move to counter it. Clottey didn’t “have Cotto retreating.”

"Karma - there it was. The meaning of life, straight from Carson Daly's lips to my morphine-laced ears." -Earl Hickey

by BLee2525 on Jul 18, 2009 8:19 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

OK....

How do explain the punch stats? BTW Clottey’s not my guy..I was neutral on that fight but I did pick Clottey to win.

by ultimoshogun on Jul 18, 2009 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fights aren't scored by punch stats.

They’re scored by rounds.

I thought Clottey clearly won rounds 2, 5, 7, 8, and 9 while Cotto clearly won rounds 1, 4, 6, and 12, with the bonus point for the knockdown. Rounds 3, 10, and 11 were all close. I thought Round 10 was the closest of those, and gave it to Clottey. The other two were Cotto rounds on my card, giving him a 114-113 win.

"Karma - there it was. The meaning of life, straight from Carson Daly's lips to my morphine-laced ears." -Earl Hickey

by BLee2525 on Jul 18, 2009 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not that it was necessarily the case in this fight

But I don’t tend to trust the punch stats that much. It’s still one guy from one angle who may or may not count all the punches. There have been a lot of fights where the punch stats seemed way off to me, especially in respect of body punching.

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by Brickhaus on Jul 18, 2009 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t know about Shane Mosley dropping to 140 but we will have to see I guess.

I mean lets not forget hes talking about fighting a man who started his career at 106 and is now fighting at a much heavier weightclasss.

Everybody conventiently seems to forget that little fact but then is outraged when Pacquiaos opponents wont fight a fraction outside of the weight class they started their careers at.

I think its a pretty unfair statement to make considering where your opponent came from.

by MannyPacquiao on Jul 17, 2009 4:05 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The 106 argument is a little disingenuous

He was an emaciated poor kid without proper nutrition and the like when he fought at 106. Floyd Mayweather at the same age in the amateurs was fighting at 106 himself. Miguel Cotto at his age fought at 106 (Calderon actually beat Cotto in the amateurs, if you want to imagine that). As a full-grown man, Pacquiao hasn’t really fought below 122. 122 to 140 is still a big jump, but I think of what Pacquiao did at 112 as a prelude more than anything.

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by Brickhaus on Jul 17, 2009 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

He was a 16 year old kid eating what he could get his hands on. A healthy starting weight for manny would have been no lower than 118

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jul 18, 2009 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’ve said it a few times, but I’ll say it again: I think now it’s more amazing what he did at 112 than what he’s doing at 130-140.

by SC on Jul 18, 2009 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The offer to Berto was just a negotiating ploy

He had to put something on the table to open up negotiations, but it also had to be an offer he knew Berto would refuse. Mosley really wants Pacquiao, and it’s looking more likely by the day that he might be able to get that fight, as there seem to be some major sticking points in the Cotto negotiations. If Berto accepts the offer, it either forecloses the possibility of a Pacquiao fight (which is definitely for more money and more prestige) or then Berto then has the ammunition to say that Mosley is ducking him. If Cotto-Pacquiao gets signed, expect to see a much more reasonable offer from Mosley, especially since it’s not a much smaller fight than Williams but much lower risk IMHO.

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by Brickhaus on Jul 17, 2009 4:08 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

jeez

pathetic and desperate much, shane?

by sonofapsycho on Jul 17, 2009 8:52 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I would care that Mosley lowballed Berto

Had Berto cared to show up and fight the last time I watched him.

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jul 18, 2009 12:09 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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