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Mayweather's "racial" comments stirring the pot

I was going to try and avoid talking about it at all if I could for several reasons, but the MMA community is in a bit of a tizzy regarding Floyd Mayweather Jr.'s recent comments about mixed martial arts and boxing.

If you can't or don't want to watch the video, the key quote is this:

"In boxing, we know who's dominating. Black fighters and Hispanic fighers is dominating in this sport. And this is not a racial statement but there's no white fighters in boxing that's dominating, so they had to go to something else and start something new."

The controversy stems from the fact that Mayweather is "race baiting," and it has brought up old comments from Muhammad Ali and history lessons about the roots of MMA. If you have any knowledge of the roots of MMA, you know that a lot of the sport started in Brazil and has spread across the world.

MMA, like boxing, is a very global sport. There are one of two possibilities here:

  1. Mayweather doesn't know what he's talking about, which is quite likely.
  2. Mayweather is just trying to stir the pot with controversial comments, which is also quite likely.

Do I like what he said? No, I absolutely don't. Nobody really does.

I almost want to lean toward Mayweather just not understanding what he's talking about instead of being purposely controversial, because there's so much he says that just doesn't really add up.

  • Does he think MMA fighters don't run? He talks about boxers running 8, 9 miles. If an MMA fighter runs 10, is he a better athlete or man or something?
  • He talks about rounds, specifically noting championship rounds in boxing (12) and MMA (5), as if there is a massive difference. In flat terms, yes. Boxing has 12, three-minute rounds, 36 minutes of action. MMA has five, five-minute rounds. 25 minutes of action. Not a huge difference. I'm not saying there's no difference, I'm saying that using that as a measuring stick is sort of dopey.
  • "MMA is for beer-drinkers. Boxing is for everybody." What the hell does that even mean? Is it a class of audience thing? Is he talking about the fighters themselves? As far as crowds go, boxing is also rarely for "everybody," considering most of us couldn't afford to go to Mayweather-Marquez on September 19 even if we wanted to, and all the tickets will be sold to your everyday men like Brad Pitt and Mark Wahlberg anyway. And if Floyd Mayweather is trying to paint himself as a man of the people, that's pretty funny.

The whole issue is messy and hard to address without potentially offending someone, but sound off on it if you want to. Keep it clean, though.

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i have no idea how this is controversial or offensive. I don’t know anything about MMA’s history or anything, but if the controversy is coming from the black/hispanic part of the quote then this should be a non-issue. minorities have been dominating nearly every sport for as far back as i can remember

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by battle axe of doom on Jul 21, 2009 6:16 AM EDT reply actions  

What’s bugging people is he’s basically saying “white people aren’t good at boxing so they started MMA,” which is exceptionally stupid.

by Scott Christ on Jul 21, 2009 6:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

the guy's dying for attention

He realises not many are really that excited about his fight, and its just so his name’s in the spotlight again. I’ve seen like fingers on one hand MMA fights, so I don’t know how many black/Hispanic guys are there, but the Vitali and Wlad dominate the heavyweights, Adamek the cruiserweights, Kessler, Bute, Abraham, Froch and Pavlik at the top in middle/super middleweights, balance that against Mayweather and Pac and Cotto and Dawson (who can’t fill a car park) and I don’t see ‘blacks and hispanics ’dominating’ at all anyway.

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by BrianBrock on Jul 21, 2009 6:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

What sports are you watching?
minorities have been dominating nearly every sport for as far back as i can remember

Eh? Come again? What sports have you been watching? – Remember there is a world outside of the States!!!

Top sports in the UK:

REAL Football – Not minority dominated.
Formula 1 – Not minority dominated.
Cricket – Not minority dominated.
Rugby Union – Not minority dominated.
Rugby League – Not minority dominated.
Tennis – Not minority dominated.
Golf – Not minority dominated.
Athletics – Probably is.
Cycling – Not minority dominated.
Motorsport – Not minority dominated.
Boxing – Quite an even keel, but traditionally it has been.
Snooker – Not minority dominated.

by bazzlad on Jul 21, 2009 7:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's a different dynamic

And a very different makeup of minorities in the UK. I could probably write 10 pages on this, but no matter how sensitively I write it, I’ll just sound like a racist, so I’m not touching this one with a 10 foot pole.

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by Brickhaus on Jul 21, 2009 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

But it boils down to whether the minorities came there of their own volition

or were forcibly brought there.

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by Brickhaus on Jul 21, 2009 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think I know what you're saying but....

America has a closed door policy on sport – IE it’s our sport, or it’s not.

Basketball and American Football, are both dominated by Americans (and mainly only played by) and as America has such a large population of Black and Hispanic people [and if you factor in slave breeding, and the Artificial selection that took place within that] added to the proven higher density of fast twitch muscle in African’s in particular – it’s no wonder that the minorities dominate American sports.

But you need to remember these games are in fact suited toward the minorities, ranging from speed of a receiver in American Football (twitch muscles have a massive effect on sprinting ability – hence the 100m world record books!) to height in basketball.

- Disclaimer – there’s obviously a lot in here that can be taken out of context, so please bear in mind my completely no racist view when reading it!

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by bazzlad on Jul 21, 2009 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

It’s a sad, stupid statement.

1. MMA was started by the Brazilians (through The Gracie Challenge and later, The UFC) and the Japanese (through Satoru Sayama’s creation of Shootboxing and the SHOOTO orginization).

2. Most the white guys in MMA come from a grappling background. Usually Greco Roman or Freestyle Wrestling.

My favorite part was when he accused MMA of “stealing Boxing’s blueprint” when the Unified rules were created by a Boxing commissioner using a ruleset created by the Quebec Mohawk tribe..

"Respond intelligently even to unintelligent treatment."

-Lao Tzu

by RoyalB on Jul 21, 2009 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

“I’m scared to let a woman live with me”

Somehow, I don’t think he will be gathering the courage to fight pacquiao any time soon

by thirdslip on Jul 21, 2009 9:32 AM EDT reply actions  

good one!

Boxing writer: "Iran, what are you going to do when you retire?"
Iran Barkley: "Rob your house"

by Matt Miller on Jul 21, 2009 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Floyd clearly knows nothing about the sport. Caucasians don’t dominate for a start. The sport’s two longest reigning, dominant champions, Anderson SIlva and Miguel Torres are black and hispanic respectively.
MMA is for beer drinkers? Pathetic, pointless comment. Is there a huge difference between the average boxing crowd and the typical crowd at a UFC event? I’ve been to both and there is certainly not a huge gulf in class when it comes to fans.

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by Hellsing on Jul 21, 2009 9:36 AM EDT reply actions  

I hate Floyd Mayweather as much as the next guy but you guys are wrong...

I think hes adding his own stupid little spin to things like he does but the point he is making is there is a lack of black or hispanic fighters in MMA and I tend to agree with him.

There are a few sports that don’t have very many non-caucasian participants in them like NASCAR and we all know the stiuation with NASCAR.

It could all be merely coincidence but I’ll admit I’ve always wondered why there are so little non-caucasians in MMA.

Maybe its a lot harder to embrace ethnic minorities in MMA due to the fact they are so good in many other sports. I heard an MMA fan say to me not too long ago “you having boxing, basketball and a dozen other sports let us keep MMA”.

While I am not suggesting his opinion represents anything other than his own I have to say I’m still trying to work out why I’ve seen so few ethnic minorities in MMA.

by MannyPacquiao on Jul 21, 2009 9:55 AM EDT reply actions  

I think hes adding his own stupid little spin to things like he does but the point he is making is there is a lack of black or hispanic fighters in MMA and I tend to agree with him.

The sport as it exists today is not even 20 years old and has just gotten hot in the last four or five years. They’ll come. Quinton Jackson, Rashad Evans, Miguel Torres and others have already crashed the party anyway.

It could all be merely coincidence but I’ll admit I’ve always wondered why there are so little non-caucasians in MMA.

Tons of Brazilians and Japanese are in MMA. I also would have to guess — and this is just a guess — that there are many white Americans because amateur wrestling is a great base, and really there’s nowhere but MMA to go with it to make good money professionally, and amateur wrestling is a really white sport.

by Scott Christ on Jul 21, 2009 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Your probably right SC but I think I’m not the only one that has been confused by going ons in MMA.

When Mike Tyson was a young kid he got taken in by Cus Damato a legend in boxing and he took a poor black kid from the streets and made him into a reasonably good heavyweight. It was a very romanticized story in boxing, like the Rocky story coming to life and people bought it up like there is no tomorrow.

Now take Kimbo Slice. This man had a bright future ahead of him when a coach for a big football team was coming out to a game with his eye on Kimbo. Then a hurricane hits and it destroys his home and his chances of getting into the major leagues are gone. He ends up fighting on the streets for money to feed his kids and then gets a chance in MMA with Bas Rutten a verified MMA legend.

When the response to Kimbo Slice came about people hated him so much it really spun my head. I am not suggesting it was born purely of racism but I think the extent of things said and done were born of some hatred somewhere and for me at least at times maybe wrongly I thought there was an element of racism by at least some MMA fans who refused to give him a chance or any respect.

You’re probably correct but it made me think a few times about the situation.

by MannyPacquiao on Jul 21, 2009 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

The kimbo situation is completely different

It’s irrelevant and should not be discussed here. If you need the short story, it’s mostly due to one thing. EXC made him the main event, promoted him like the world’s best fighter, and made a legion of new fans believe that he was a top 10 heavyweight. Kimbo is not even close. He takes the sport seriously, trains hard, and if the company didn’t promote him like they did, there would have been a lot less kimbo hating.

As SC noted, there’s a few blacks and hispanics moving in, and they’re doing quite well. Jackson, Evans, Jon Jones, Melvin Guillard and Anthony Johnson are some of the black UFC fighters that come to mind, while Torres, Tapia and Huerta (the first UFC fighter to make the cover of sports illustrated) are hispanic.

Not to mention that one of the most popular fighters in the sport’s history (Tito Ortiz) is half black and half mexican.

by Shaun32887 on Jul 21, 2009 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is correct.

While I don’t deny the abundance of white guys in MMA, it mostly due to region more then race. A lot of elite wrestling is in the rural areas of the midwest and up in the boonies of the northwest. Wrestling is “the other sport”. Can’t play football? Be a wrestler. Hell, that’s all they do all winter.

I do find it refreshing that Koschek, Cain Valesquez, Jon Jones, Henry Cejudo and other minorities are finally breaking the mold

"Respond intelligently even to unintelligent treatment."

-Lao Tzu

by RoyalB on Jul 21, 2009 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Let’s also not forget that the UFC had a black heavyweight champion way back at UFC 14 in 1997; Maurice Smith figured out how to defeat the wrestling prowness of Mark Coleman. They’ve been around for a while.

by Shaun32887 on Jul 21, 2009 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I realized years ago that fighters & athletes in general, DON’T HAVE ANYTHING VALUABLE TO SAY. Let’s all agree to just watch them compete & not pay attention to meaningless cliches & inflammatory statements to boost media coverage.

And for the record, Jon Jones & Anthony Johnson are 2 of the most explosive athletes I’ve ever seen compete in MMA. It was only a matter of time before MMA started attracting guys like that. When the 2 of them round out their games, fighters of all races will be in serious trouble.

by frickshun on Jul 21, 2009 1:59 PM EDT reply actions  

uh

White boxers seem to be doing OK to me. Number of white fighters out of Ring top 10:

Heavyweight- Champion, plus 6 of 10 contenders

Cruiserweight- Champion, plus 5 of 10 contenders

Light Heavy (no champ) – 3 of 10 contenders

Super Middle (no champ) – 5 of 10 contenders

Middleweight- Champion, plus 5 of 10 contenders

The numbers are less at the lower weight classes, because fewer white men are small in stature.

by drivlikejehu on Jul 21, 2009 2:43 PM EDT reply actions  

How about white americans?

No racism there, was just asking (‘coz in Floyd’s defense, maybe he was referring to caucasian americans, just saying).

by Fj-3 on Jul 21, 2009 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Still no

I guess, but that still wouldn’t make sense. If white Americans could box, but choose not to, they have no reason to flee to MMA- which was Floyd’s claim. Not that Floyd’s ramblings ever deserve much attention, but some people might accept the proposition without really thinking about it.

by drivlikejehu on Jul 21, 2009 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

If he means White as in Dana White

Then he’s quite right about who started UFC. =)

Oh, White’s just the president, not the founder. XD

by Fj-3 on Jul 21, 2009 3:31 PM EDT reply actions  

What’s that old saying about never wrestling with a pig? Something about how you both get dirty, but the pig likes it?

Nothing to see here. Moving along now.

Boxing writer: "Iran, what are you going to do when you retire?"
Iran Barkley: "Rob your house"

by Matt Miller on Jul 21, 2009 5:13 PM EDT reply actions  

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