Miguel Cotto is more than dangerous enough for Pacquiao
We've had it here. I've read it elsewhere. The downplaying of Miguel Cotto as Manny Pacquiao's November 14 opponent is absolutely insane. No offense to any of you, I think you're all great boxing fans and I love having you here, and no offense to anyone else anywhere, but you're all nuts.
It is an interesting thing to regard Cotto, arguably the world's best welterweight, as not a competitive matchup for Pacquiao. Pacquiao is phenomenal. He wasted a spent, weight-drained Oscar de la Hoya (it's the truth, look at Oscar that night) and then destroyed a totally fit, at his best weight Ricky Hatton in May, which was just awe-inspiring. I still watch those fights and go, "My God, is this Manny Pacquiao something or what?"
Miguel Cotto lost a fight last year. A great fight. A Fight of the Year contender of a fight. And he lost it to a guy whose entire career now comes with an asterisk. Hey, I'm not saying, I'm just saying. Since then, he's come back to wail on Michael Jennings in a total rebound fight, and then he signed to fight Joshua Clottey, a dangerous welterweight that nobody else wanted to face.
When Cotto-Clottey got signed, we all went, "Oh man, that's great. Even matchup, Clottey gets a fight he deserves, Cotto's showing a lot of guts taking that fight. That should be really good. I can't even pick a winner."
To a man, I'll guarantee that if the fight we actually got out of Cotto-Clottey had been laid out exactly and proposed to everyone here, no matter what side of the scoring fence they're on, you would've gone, "That sounds good."
What we got was a rugged, competitive fight all the way through, with Cotto overcoming partial blindness due to a nasty cut to gut out a win over an outstanding fighter. All the talk of Cotto "running" in that fight is pure nonsense. Find me a fighter on earth that doesn't move to avoid being hit in an eye he can't see out of, and you'll have found either a bad fighter or a guy like Arturo Gatti, who no one should be expected to emulate.
And when all was said and done, Cotto-Clottey led to some major league hemming and hawing, and praise for the fight and the performance of both guys was sadly muted.
I'm saying this for two reasons:
- Cotto is a totally viable opponent, one of about four guys in boxing that would've been an acceptable choice for the new P4P king. The other three: Shane Mosley, Floyd Mayweather Jr. and a third fight with Juan Manuel Marquez. That's really it. Did you want Pacquiao-Timothy Bradley instead? Pacquiao-Andre Berto?
- The fight is outstanding on paper and should be the most highly-anticipated single fight in boxing in 2009. IF Pacquiao were to steamroll Cotto the way he did Oscar and Ricky, he deserves every single ounce of credit for that. This is a dangerous fight. He's fighting the best. He deserves recognition for it.
I mean, apart from desiring Mosley instead of Cotto, what else was there? Floyd and JMM are busy. There's really nobody else around 140-147, certainly not close in terms of money. We're getting an excellent fight on paper that will either further solidify Pacquiao's legacy, further establish Cotto as one of the best fighters in the world, or in a perfect storm, both of those things happen.
It seems to me that some people might accept nothing less than Pacquiao time traveling and fighting Sugar Ray Robinson at this point. Live in the now, because this now is pretty damn exciting.
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when i say pacquiao “via annihilation” i don’t mean its an uninteresting/unnecessary/irrelevant fight. i’m just saying that you folks are cracking cotto up to be simply what he’s not. pacquiao is leagues above cotto, and he’s gonna school his ass plain and simple. everyone called me a moron when i said pacquiao was gonna demolish hatton and look what happened.
pacquiao easy TKO 6
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by battle axe of doom on Jul 21, 2009 7:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
In your opinion, who is in Pacquiao’s league?
by keyz on Jul 21, 2009 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
not I
I called Pac to demolish Hatton too. But I think Cotto is a whole ’nother ballgame. The fight will be much closer, better, and more invigorating than you suggest.
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by Matt Miller on Jul 21, 2009 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great write-up
Every single thing that makes the lukewarm reaction so many have shown regarding the competitiveness of Pacquiao-Cotto a bizarre spectacle is highlighted in it. There are two points in particular that really stand out to me:
And when all was said and done, Cotto-Clottey led to some major league hemming and hawing, and praise for the fight and the performance of both guys was sadly muted.
Probably the saddest thing to come off the whole ordeal. Both fighters showed why they belong at the top of the welterweight division along with Shane Mosley, and they deserve to keep fighting top opposition. Cotto earned his fight against Pac. Lets hope Clottey lands a good fight against a legit welterweight as well.
It seems to me that some people might accept nothing less than Pacquiao time traveling and fighting Sugar Ray Robinson at this point. Live in the now, because this now is pretty damn exciting.
Thank you for pointing this out. A lot of fans are acting like Pacquiao has transformed in some sort of unstoppable force. Hell, they may be right. But we can’t know for sure until he faces and beats more fighters who are considered the cream of the crop at the moment. We can’t forget that this is boxing we’re talking about. ANYTHING can happen, and we’ve had fighters in the past who have accomplished as much as Pac in terms of of overcoming improbable odds, fighters who have become even more recognized than him even among the most casual of fans, only to be conquered when we believed they were impregnable.
by keyz on Jul 21, 2009 7:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I want Pacquiao to travel back in time and take on Ali, Frazier and Foreman in a 3-on-1 match. Anything less will be a grave disappointment.
But seriously, I haven’t heard anyone say that Cotto is unworthy, or the fight irrelevant. I’ve just heard a lot of people who believe so unshakably in Pacquiao that they would pick him over Cotto, Mayweather or Superman via mid-rounds TKO
This is an incredibly stern test, and if he passes it with half the ease some are suggesting, I think he moves clear as the greatest boxer of my lifetime
by thirdslip on Jul 21, 2009 9:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Good post
Though as I suggested elsewhere, I think this is part of a recent trend of fans dismissing fighters needlessly as washed up, when there is little to no evidence to suggest that.
Let’s sort the chaff from the wheat, shall we?
Oscar: washed up
Hatton: probably washed up
Taylor: maybe…
Evander: beyond washed up
Morales: washed up
Barrera: washed up
Toney: fat and washed up
I could go on, but more to the point:
Cotto: no real evidence to suggest it; Clottey fight argues against it.
Mosley: no real evidence to suggest it; fight with concrete-paws argues against it.
Either Marquez brother: no evidence to suggest it, recent fights argue against it.
Pavlik: no shame losing to Hopkins, not enough evidence to suggest it.
Vasquez: slightly more problematic, because he had a real medical issue, but still, not enough evidence to suggest it, and I wish people would quit assuming it.
Oh, and Hopkins: I’ll believe it when I see it—and maybe not even then…
My point is that the people in the bottom list do not belong in the same arguments we’re making for the people in the former list. Yet, many, many fans here and elsewhere have been claiming “finished!” for these and other like them.
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by Matt Miller on Jul 21, 2009 9:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree that the underestimating of Cotto is insane. I’ve been following Pacquiao closely since 2003. A year ago, I’d never guess that he’d be fighting Cotto, let alone favored by most to win. Especially at 145, this is a dangerous fight for Pacquiao.
by steak_knife on Jul 21, 2009 9:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Those Pac fans saying Cotto is washed up is actually disrespecting Pacquiao. Pac only challenges the best to further enhance his legacy and give boxing fans what they deserve—a great boxing match.
Cotto remains to be an elite welterweight and a top five P4P, that is why Mayweather is still trying to avoid him along with Mosley. Floyd chose a smaller guy in Marquez who he thinks he can handle better than Cotto. But now Pacquiao challenges Cotto for his title belt which makes him The Man and virtually slaps The Money Man in the face.
by Blacksocks on Jul 21, 2009 11:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree with most of what you said, but why do you think Mosley is trying to avoid Cotto? Sure, he prefers Pac or PBF, and that, I’m sure you’ll agree, is understandable (if pretty improbable). But I don’t get the impression that he is avoiding a rematch with Cotto, and I’d bet money he would take it.
Mosley, like Cotto, takes the tough fights that fans want to see. They are two of a kind in that respect, and that’s part of why they’re two of my favorite fighters.
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by Matt Miller on Jul 22, 2009 12:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry, what I meant was Floyd is avoiding Cotto and Mosley—the reason why he retired and then came back only to fight the smaller Marquez.
by Blacksocks on Jul 22, 2009 1:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
gotcha
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by Matt Miller on Jul 22, 2009 4:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
those people who obviously underestimated Cotto are pure Pacquiao Fans. I personally cant blame them for making such a statement. The past perfomances of Pac tell us why…I mean, Pac was put down against ODLH…Oscar got beat badly! Period! People say he was dehydrate, old etc…First of all that is not Pac’s fault! Oscar came after Pac…he decided the weight, the money split etc…Hatton was never underestimated! Hell, he was the king of Jr. Welterweight Division. undefeated in that Div! bigger and stronger than Pac, but look what happen…these are the reasons why people underestimate Cotto. You cant blame them at all!
by GeoffKali on Jul 21, 2009 11:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I totally agree with Blacksocks. I am a huge Pacquiao fan and reading from these other Pac fans that Cotto is washed up is totally ridiculous. Cotto is a world champion, a class act and with mad skills. All i can say is there’s going to be fireworks when these two behemoth meet on Nov 14. Let’s get ready to rumble.
by leftnright2u on Jul 21, 2009 11:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
are you sure?
I don’t think so.
These posters hate Pac. They keep saying that to diminish Pac’s achievement should he win against Cotto.
All I know is that most Pac fans want Cotto instead of Mosley because with Pac winning a Pac-Mosley, haters would then say Mosley is washed up.
by skybontal on Jul 22, 2009 1:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mosley.
Another thing I might be imagining, but didn’t Cotto beat Mosley not so long ago?
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by ejruiz on Jul 22, 2009 12:05 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
he did indeed
It’s kind of like that didn’t even happen now. There’s also this idea floating around now that you could’ve scored that one either way, but I totally disagree. Outstanding, competitive fight, but Cotto clearly won the fight IMO.
by SC on Jul 22, 2009 1:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was close but clear
Pretty much everyone I’ve talked to had it 115-113 Cotto. There wasn’t even much to dispute with the round scoring. Pretty much every round in the fight was competitive, but clearly scorable to one fighter only.
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by Brickhaus on Jul 22, 2009 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Pac will win and ill pick by KO or TKO, just cause styles make fights. Manny loves to have guys fight him he and Roach have both said it many times, thats some of the reason why they want Cotto not Mosley. Cotto is a great fighter with alot to work with but I think that if he starts slow against the faster feet and hands of Pac he will have a hard road in the mid rounds.
With him coming for Pacquiao, Pac will be able to beat him to the punch as he is coming in, land a combo and move.
Dont get me wrong Pac will have to be on the top of his game all night to pull off a win, and as people have said this is boxing and anything can happen, like a Cotto left hook to the body.
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by sigidy on Jul 22, 2009 2:11 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Id love to know what the papers are saying about this fight in PR. Cotto has 4 million of the most passionate fans in the sport down there.
by ryanwk628 on Jul 22, 2009 11:35 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Great article
A lot of people are picking Manny to route Cotto purely based on Pac’s last few fights and thats fine. He did his job in those fights and looked amazing but for him to go in there and do the same thing to Cotto is going to be a much tougher task. I’m with SC here in that I just don’t see counting Cotto out of this fight. A guy who in my view is" the" top welterweight in the sport. I expect a great fight from both guys and maybe I’m in the minority here but I believe Cotto will knock Manny out. Either way it goes may the best man win come fight night.
by Full Throttle on Jul 22, 2009 10:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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