What if UFC decides to launch heavy artillery at Mayweather-Marquez?
Editor's Note by SC: Not ten minutes after I posted this article, the Los Angeles Times reported that Fedor will be announced as signed by the UFC on Friday. This could be more real than I expected:
A long-awaited agreement between the Ultimate Fighting Championship and the man considered the world's best mixed martial arts fighter, Fedor Emelianenko, is expected to be announced by UFC President Dana White on Friday, a source with information about the negotiations told The Times today.
The source, who asked not to be identified because he's not authorized to speak publicly about the dealings, called negotiations between the UFC and Fedor "very civil" just days after Fedor's scheduled Affliction Trilogy fight Saturday against Josh Barnett was canceled.
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MMA superstar Fedor Emelianenko will hold a press conference on Wednesday in Anaheim to discuss his future in the wake of Affliction's death as an MMA fight promoter, and the cancellation of his proposed August superfight with Josh Barnett. If UFC signs Fedor -- who is considered the #1 heavyweight by everyone in the world except the UFC, officially -- and, say, puts him at UFC 103 against Brock Lesnar, then Floyd Mayweather Jr. and Juan Manuel Marquez will have a serious problem selling their fight. UFC 103 and Mayweather-Marquez both fall on September 19, and it would not remotely surprise me if Dana White tries to load up that card to embarrass Mayweather at the bank, which is really Mayweather's own fault for being so dumb lately.
This is all total "what if?" on my part admittedly, but Dana's that kind of "go for the jugular" promoter, which has been a part of what's made him so successful. Fedor is no lock to go to UFC no matter what, since his manager Vadim Finkelstein is (as Bloody Elbow puts it) something of a Russian Don King who is demanding that the world's biggest MMA promotion "co-promote" Fedor fights with M-1 Global. There have been other sticking points in past negotiations, too, including Fedor's genuine love of participating in sambo tournaments. I don't even actually expect a Fedor-UFC deal to get done, just as an observer, at least not right now.
But for the sake of argument: If Lesnar-Fedor went head-to-head with Mayweather-Marquez, the boxing show would get slaughtered. UFC is doing huge business these days, including a reported over 1.5 million buys for UFC 100 in July. If we assume Mayweather-Marquez might cut into their audience a tiny bit, a low-end estimate might be 850,000 buys for that show. Assuming UFC cut into the boxing PPV (which is more likely), who's going to buy the Mayweather show? The Mexican audience is an incredibly loyal PPV demographic, and Marquez currently stands as the king of the Mexican fighters, plus it's on the weekend of Mexican Independence Day, which will help. But there's only so many Mexican fans that are going to buy the show. The promotion relies heavily on them as it is.
This would be the test of Mayweather's drawing power to end all tests. If he could even compete with that hypothetical UFC show, it'd be huge at the bargaining table. If he can't, who's he going to blame? He's the star, he says, and he's the lead promoter, too. I wouldn't be stunned in this scenario to see Mayweather pull up with another injury. It's impossible to verify, but a lot of the swirling winds around the postponement that put them on September 19 said that tickets weren't moving too well and the buzz wasn't there, rather than the rib injury to Floyd that served as the official reasoning.
I'm starting to find the potential business of Mayweather-Marquez to be more intriguing than I am the fight itself, and I'm pretty interested in seeing JMM try to beat Floyd, personally. Mayweather has talked so big about being The Man at the box office. A lot of folks believe that it was Oscar de la Hoya and Ricky Hatton drawing the houses and the buys for Mayweather's two biggest fights, and they have their reasons to think that. Absolutely Oscar was the superstar that drew for the first fight; it was "The Golden Boy" trying to dethrone the unbeaten pound-for-pound king. But as much as I think Mayweather is overestimating his own star power, Floyd is surely a bigger star now than he was before then, and part of that is his own hard work building a character, essentially. HBO's "24/7" gave him opportunities he never had before, and he ran with them. Mayweather-Hatton was a feather in the cap for both of those fighters, I believe.
But now you have Marquez, a great fighter and a star, but not a mega star, and there are a lot of people that just think the fight either won't be very good or won't even be close, some of whom see this as Mayweather taking a "gimme" fight against a smaller man and ducking stiffer challenges like Manny Pacquiao, Shane Mosley and Miguel Cotto.
A lot of times it's easy to make a fair guess at what kind of business a fight will do. The last two boxing megafights -- Oscar-Manny and Manny-Hatton -- weren't too hard. I was fairly close in my estimate for both fights' PPV business. But Mayweather-Marquez is a mystery right now, and a potentially huge UFC show (perhaps driven by Dana White going out of his way to grind an ax against Mayweather) could really throw it for a loop.
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For boxing fans who may not appreciate the significance, a Fedor vs. Lesnar match under UFC hospices is likely to be the biggest fight in MMA history (for sure in North America). How will the card do in terms of the UFC’s ability to promote Fedor and turn him into a PPV draw? That remains to be seen, but at least in terms of significance, there is nothing bigger than Fedor vs. Lesnar.
Personally, as both an MMA and Boxing fan, I’d absolutely pay for Fedor/Lesnar plus at least four quality undercard bouts than watch Floyd taking on a guy who probably could/should be fighting at 130. The Floyd/Marquez fight is a no-brainer in terms of the outcome.Fedor/Lesnar is interesting as hell. It should be noted though that Fedor is a relatively poor PPV draw, but if he fights Lesnar, that might not matter.
" Man is not made for defeat. A man can be destroyed but not defeated "
- Hemingway
What about John/Juarez II?
And don’t forget Zab Judah’s trip through doing things against the rules of boxing.
"And Joe for Matt Hughes, dislike may not be a strong enough adjective!" - Mike Goldberg
I’m really not one for MMA, but even I get the significance of this fight—and I would watch it, too, if it weren’t on the same night as Mayweather/Marquez. I wouldn’t pay for it by myself, but I would happily bike to Park Slope and watch it at the sports bar on 5th ave. I recognize the specialness of Fedor, and I’ve heard the buzz about Lesnar. I’d like to see both this and the Mayweather/Marquez card, and I hope that Dana White doesn’t decide to “go to war” with Mayweather. Doing so would also be “going to war” against a significant number of fans like myself.
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Fedor vs. Lesnar
I don’t think it would draw better than UFC 100. But it would probably draw better than anything but that show.
I also think that they would save that fight for a Vegas show. I don’t think they’d use it for September 19, but I know things are changing and we’ll know more this weekend.
When the Floyd fight got rescheduled it got pushed back against 103. Dana White doesn’t want to “lose” to boxing (which is dumb…I hate the boxing v. MMA thing) so he is trying to find something as a main event that will “beat” Floyd. Which means he would consider giving up Brock/Fedor as a Vegas main event and stick it in Dallas
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by Brent Brookhouse on Jul 28, 2009 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think he wants to "lose" to Boxing.
I think it’s more about losing to Mayweather and wanting to shut him up once and for all.
"Respond intelligently even to unintelligent treatment."
-Lao Tzu
What I have been told is that it is really that they don’t want to deal with getting outsold by any boxing card if they go head to head. Yeah, Mayweather provides a little extra inspiration…but in reality it’s just that White doesn’t want to hear ESPN talking about how boxing outdrew them head to head, regardless of who the headlining boxer is.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Jul 29, 2009 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions
It’s definitely the fight to do so. However, I’m not sure they need to risk such a top main event to do that. UFC is really hot right now. If they were able to get Tito Ortiz ready by mid September, he could probably do really good numbers against boxing.
What I worry is that they have a possible 1.3-1.5 million buy show with the proper build, and they lose buys simply so they can “beat” boxing. It’s definitely an interesting story. And thanks for your insight.
i think a tito/franklin, crocop/dos santos gets more buys that floyd/jmm.
i dont think they need to rush fedor vs. brock. if it was pacman vs. cotto or pacman vs. floyd then yea, id rush a fedor/brock fight.
by sonofapsycho on Jul 29, 2009 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Im interesting in how Mayweather will spin this if in fact he does go head to head with Fedor/Lesnar at UFC 103. There’s no doubt in my mind if Fedor/Lesnar gets scheduled at UFC 103 that it will crush the PPV buyrate war against Mayweather. How do you guys think he will react when he realizes he’s not the draw he thinks he is?
by filipinomix2oo0 on Jul 28, 2009 7:59 PM EDT reply actions
Rating Mayweather as a draw
I’m not sure we can be conclusive about his drawing power if he’s faced up against a completely hot product. We only know what we have seen in the past and that’s one spectacular buy rate against Oscar, which I don’t think he gets enough credit for.
There were many things working for that fight. Of course, anything with Oscar draws to boxing’s casual audience. But what was the prediction before the fight for buys? 1.5? Floyd did such a masterful job at being the “bad guy that people wanted to see lose”, that he should get credit for taking that fight from a really great buy rate to the best ever buy rate.
So if he doesn’t do huge business because he’s opposed by the UFC, I’m not sure that says anything about his drawing power, except that maybe it’s not the best fight people would want to see. Now, as a business man, he should get some flack for that, but not necessarily as a draw.
I'd pick the MMA fight...
Not the biggest fan of MMA. To be frank I loved Pride and the old days but nowadays they are over commercialising the sport to appeal to the lowest common denominator.
On the other hand I think if most of you guys who have never watched MMA saw Fedor fight you’d change your mind quickly.
Fedor is like one of those guys who is a supreme athlete. People who aren’t even fans of MMA would tune in to see him hone his craft. A lot of people love Golf but when Tiger doesn’t play they don’t tune in.
It’s the same with Fedor once you’ve followed his fight history you come to realise he is to MMA what Tiger Woods is to Golf or what Sugar Ray Robinson is to Boxing.
Just an immensely gifted, humble and nice guy that is a credit to all athletes.
I’m already iffy about watching Marquez get beat up at a weight he doesn’t belong at(just look at his beer belly). It’s an easy fight for Mayweather to destroy a fighter that nearly got knocked out by featherfist Diaz. I’m sure Mayweather will toy with him a little first before destroying him but it’s almost inconceivable Marquez will beat Mayweather.
I don’t think Fedor vs Brock will happen that soon but Fedor is close to retirement it’d be an interesting fight to see.
I’m already iffy about watching Marquez get beat up at a weight he doesn’t belong at(just look at his beer belly).
I don’t think he’ll look like that on fight night, which is still like seven weeks away.
by Scott Christ on Jul 28, 2009 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Fedor is close to retirement?
Don’t think so. He’s on top and he’s on top of his game. Fedor vs. Brock would be one of, if not, the biggest fights that can be made in all of MMA (others that come close would be Machida-A. Silva or GSP-A. Silva). It’s like their sports’ Mayweather-Pacquiao.
It's unlikely that Fedor-Lesnar would be on UFC 103
Don’t count on it… But if Fedor were to be in UFC, maybe he could fight on UFC 103, but not against Brock (they don’t yet have a main event for that anyway), but I don’t know if they’d make it a PPV.
It's more likely than you think.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Jul 28, 2009 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I think the "big announcement" has something...
to do with the UFC going to free tv. I think it would be the biggest thing to ever happen to MMA if UFC 103 is on ABC with Fedor v anybody…
The “big announcement” was scheduled before Fedor became available – right now it’s something that may get tacked on to the press conference. Friday will possibly feature one (or more) of the following:
-Fedor Signing
-Tito returning
-TV deal (which would be HBO)
Or it may be something smaller and more disappointing like most of the UFC’s “huge announcements”
But the Fedor thing is a very, very real possibility.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Jul 29, 2009 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions
PBF is actually a genius.
I’m sorry to disagree but I believe Mayweather is totally the opposite of dumb — he’s a total genius. Everybody knows that his bout with JMM for July wasn’t selling well and chances are it never will. By re-scheduling that fight to coincide with UFC, he just made the best excuse in case his bout becomes a total flop PPV wise. Is there any better excuse anyone can think of?
And by speaking against UFC, he is trying to gather boxing fans to support his fight by watching it. So this is a total win-win situation for him — a better PPV or a great excuse. But personally, knowing how boring his bout with JMM will surely be, I’d rather save all my money for the Pacquiao-Cotto bout and have a party.
Brock just fought
Would he be ready by 103? I know he didnt take much damage, but you need some recovery time just to recover from your last camp and get your body back to normal before you start again. I could see it happening, but 103 is going to be the return of Tito.
Plus, isnt that fight during hunting season? Brock cant miss that!
He'll be ready...
look…all I can say is this is the fight that they are actively pursuing and it is very much a possibility. I’ve been chasing this story all over the damn earth at this point and I’m pretty confident that Brock would be good to go by 103.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Jul 29, 2009 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions
but
do they have the time to hype fedor enough for the casual fans to know who he is? Not just hard cores.
I'm a casual fan, if that
I know very little about MMA. I have mixed feelings about it, in fact, and I’m probably even less than a casual fan, but I know who Fedor is, and I’ve even Youtubed most of his fights and watched them. He strikes me as an athlete that transcends his particular sport in terms of his greatness and dominance. So he’s intrinsically interesting, even if I don’t really watch much MMA (I feel the same way about Roger Federer and tennis, for example). I don’t think they need to promote him for casual fans to buy the card. Anyone who hasn’t heard of him likely would never buy the card to begin with.
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i'm not holding my breath
for fedor in the ufc, especially against brock so fast. i think if it happens this year it’ll be at a december show so they promote the shit out of it along with the rampage/rashad fight.
as far as the ufc 103 vs. floyd in September, i’m picking the ufc to watch iive. i can wait a week to see flyod beat up a blown up featherweight.

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