Living in America: The best the U.S. has to offer in pro boxing
One of the more common complaints, or more common things used as "evidence" that boxing is dead or dying in America, is that young Americans simply don't turn to boxing any longer, certainly not the way they used to. It's an ideal past for the sweet science, all rugged young men escaping the strains of poverty by wandering into boxing gyms across this great nation of ours, picking up on the finer points of the craft from some cigar-chomping, old almost-was that runs some rinky dink facility in the rougher part of the cities. It's all very nice.
And yes, the heavyweight division in particular has no doubt suffered from boxing's decline as a mainstream sport. Boxing is not a mainstream sport in America, nor is it likely to ever become one again. Mike Tyson and Oscar de la Hoya largely are responsible for every big fight of the last 20 years by way of American interest; you get some Evander in there, too, and Floyd Mayweather Jr. almost had something until that stupid fake retirement of his.
Whereas in the past we may have been wondering what on earth would happen when Wladimir Klitschko and Brandon Jacobs collide, we are now wondering if Jacobs will be there when our pick in fantasy football rolls around. Lebron James? 6'8", 275, lean and fast. Allen Iverson could have been outstanding. Imagine a different world where these guys take up boxing, and then don't worry about questioning their chins. Just dream.
These athletes aren't coming to boxing anymore, and they aren't going to start. It's too rough a go to break in and make real money. Too many hard nights. And while no sport as a professional is easy, boxing is one of the most grueling of them all, from training camps to weight cutting to fight night itself. (Don't get too stuck on Chris Arreola for this point.)
So what do we have in the ring? The stars and stripes may not mean what they used to in the boxing world, but Old Glory ain't quite dead, either.
"Fast" Eddie is slick, smart, and, well, fast. So he's not Tyson or Holyfield or Ali or Louis or Frazier or whatever. It's no secret that American heavyweight boxing has been in the tank since the glory days of Holyfield hit their end, and it's also no secret that that is unlikely to change.
As it stands, Chambers gets my pick without question as the best heavy from the States. His recent win over Alexander Dimitrenko was impressive, and I still genuinely feel he should have beaten Alexander Povetkin (Chambers' lone loss as a pro) and that he would do so should they fight again. Chambers made bad mistakes in that fight, obvious mistakes, and he's stopped doing those things in his last few outings.
He will almost surely never capture the imagination of much of anybody, and either Klitschko probably chops him down fairly handily, but Chambers is a legit talent, too. He could wind up being a right-handed version of Chris Byrd.
Other Contenders: Kevin Johnson could soon be the key challenger to Chambers' "throne" ... Chris Arreola makes it hard to take him seriously ... John Ruiz is always around -- always ... Tony Thompson is probably the most widely overlooked American heavyweight
Cruiserweight: Steve Cunningham
Cunningham (22-2, 11 KO) is clearly the choice at cruiserweight, with few viable challengers. His December 2008 fight with Tomasz Adamek was an instant classic and one of the greatest fights in the history of the cruiserweight division, and sadly Cunningham has been unable to reap much by way of benefits. He's still rather unknown in his home country; it was the Polish Adamek that drew the house in Newark for that fight. It's no surprise, though. Prior to the Adamek bout, Cunningham's three biggest fights had taken place in Poland and Germany. He's an athletic, vulnerable, sound fighter with more pop than his 50% KO rate might suggest. He makes for good fights and -- like the division as a whole -- deserves more TV time.
Other Contenders: Matt Godfrey would be my No. 2 ... BJ Flores is making a career out of annoying people, I think, and when he's done he'll just go to commentary
Light Heavyweight: (1A) Bernard Hopkins / (1B) Chad Dawson
Three divisions, three Philly fighters. The 44-year old B-Hop continues to rank No. 1 in the world at 175, but it's kind of iffy, and that's with all respect to Hopkins. He did beat Antonio Tarver to win the Ring title, and he beat him bad, but since then he's fought three times: Beating Winky Wright at a 170-pound catchweight, losing to Joe Calzaghe at 175, and beating middleweight champ Kelly Pavlik at 170 again. He's also contemplating a move to cruiserweight to face Tomasz Adamek, which has been an up-and-down rumor for much of 2009.
Dawson is almost 20 years younger and has a far brighter future, but I think most everyone would pick the savvy Hopkins to beat him one-on-one still. Dawson can up his reputation and silence some critics if he can score a convincing win over Glen Johnson in their November 7 rematch.
Other Contenders: Ancients Roy Jones Jr. and Antonio Tarver are still kicking, and sadly are still near the top of the American pack ... Chris Henry looked good in his last fight, not so good in the one prior
Super Middleweight: Andre Dirrell
Maybe a bit of a controversial pick. Dirrell is the better young super middleweight ex-Olympian Andre, in my view, and Jermain Taylor is just a mess right now. This will thin out and become easier to gauge once the Super Six has gotten rolling, as all three of those men are competing. Dirrell has really special talent, I think, and we'll find out what kind of fortitude he has soon. Someone's going to give him a serious test.
Other Contenders: Ward and Taylor could be argued; Ward for the same reasons as Dirrell, and Taylor on past accomplishments ... Allan Green gets on a lot of peoples' nerves and probably talks too much, and has backed out of some fights and basically gotten thrown off of ESPN2, but he can fight
Middleweight: Kelly Pavlik
Shallow division, but Pavlik is the legit world champion and has dominated at 160 pounds. Hopefully we'll see him fighting Paul Williams or Sergio Martinez next, because Pavlik needs a bigger win than Marco Antonio Rubio and Gary Lockett to get some of his mojo back.
Other Contenders: Winky Wright still projects as a tough challenge for Pavlik, but he is aging and seems somewhat indifferent to fighting anymore ... Young Daniel Jacobs should find his way into the top 10 of the division soon if things keep going as they have been
Junior Middleweight: Paul Williams
I'm slotting PW in here because he really has no division. His last fight was a dominant win over Wright at 160 pounds, he's a former titleholder at 147 and says he could still make that weight, and he destroyed Verno Phillips at 154 late last year. Pound-for-pound, I genuinely believe Williams is America's best boxer... at least until we see how You Know Who looks in September.
Other Contenders: James Kirkland; what could have been ... Veteran Cory Spinks didn't deserve his '08 loss to Verno Phillips, and has bounced back nicely ... Deandre Latimore is still just 23 and gave Spinks a good run
Sugar Shane's reclaiming of the welterweight throne -- however debatable -- earlier this year was a stunning story. He was a live dog to be sure, because he's Shane freaking Mosley, but he starched Margarito. Forget everything else for just a moment and remember how absurdly easy Shane made it look that night. He beat Margarito like he was a nobody.
There's also Floyd Mayweather Jr., of course, who returns at welterweight or a catchweight just below on September 19 against Juan Manuel Marquez, lightweight champion of the world. If Mayweather looks sensational upon return, he takes back his spot as the No. 1 welterweight, probably.
Other Contenders: Young titlist Andre Berto may just meet Mosley sometime soon, and it would be a huge step up in competition ... Zab Judah would probably like to think he belongs in this discussion
Junior Welterweight: Timothy Bradley
Bradley looked impressive for three rounds with Nate Campbell, but it was still just three rounds of action. He took his lumps against Kendall Holt earlier this year in a heck of a good fight and recovered twice from knockdowns to win a clear decision. Bradley's one of those guys that just seems to shoot up the ranks. He's confident, he keeps himself in utterly phenomenal shape, and he seems like he has a lot of respect for the game and all of his opponents. The kid's a winner.
Other Contenders: One of boxing's best, deepest divisions. Holt and Campbell are both still serious contenders, and then you have very young WBC titleholder Devon Alexander of St. Louis, Brooklyn's Paulie Malignaggi teetering on the brink of relevance, Top Rank prospects Lamont Peterson and Mike Alvarado, and always-dangerous knockout artist veteran Randall Bailey
Diaz is still young and still quite good. It's not his actual heart I really question, or even so much his guts, but what drives that: His desire to fight. Diaz is a recent college graduate (did you ever hear he went to college?!??!) who is now looking at law school. How inviting is getting hit in the face when you go to work, plus the training, plus giving promoters and corner men and whomever else part of your money, when you could maybe just be a lawyer and screw people out of their money? (No offense, lawyers.)
Diaz is a pure pressure fighter and the only time I haven't been entertained watching him work was against a version of Michael Katsidis that I hope the world never sees again.
Other Contenders: You can make a strong case for Rolando Reyes right now ... Vicente Escobedo *might* be living up to his inclusion in Fight Night Round 3
Junior Lightweight: Robert Guerrero
No question it's "The Ghost" at 130, and he hasn't even accomplished very much. There is little competition and once we're past featherweight, American inclusion in the sport gets pretty spare. Guerrero has a title fight on August 22 against Malcolm Klassen.
Other Contenders: Jason Litzau is "All-American," but he's been steamrolled twice and doesn't look like a real contender ... Tyrone Harris recently shot his name way up the ranks at 130
Featherweight: Steven Luevano
Luevano's style doesn't lend itself too well to TV and the only times you'll see him are as a featured Top Rank bout on a PPV undercard. He's a very, very sound fighter in pretty much every single facet of the game, and he's probably underrated at this point. I think he's the clear No. 1 at 126 for Americans, and a clear No. 2 overall in the world.
Other Contenders: Rocky Juarez is surely at his best down at 126 pounds instead of 130, but he still hasn't ever gotten over the hump
Now we get into the lean divisions for American participation.
- Junior Featherweight: Al Seeger, I guess?
- Bantamweight: Nestor Rocha
- Junior Bantamweight: Michael Franco
- Flyweight: Rayonta Whitfield or Raul Martinez
- Junior Flyweight: Brian Viloria (the best American fighter under 126 pounds)
- Strawweight: None
Just for kicks, my personal, non-Mayweather top ten American fighters, pound-for-pound:
- Paul Williams
- Bernard Hopkins
- Shane Mosley
- Chad Dawson
- Kelly Pavlik
- Timothy Bradley
- Steven Luevano
- Brian Viloria
- Juan Diaz
- Andre Berto
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A good read, Brick... thanks.
As much as it seems callous to pick the one fault I think there is with this article, I have to question why exactly Johnathon Banks doesn’t even get a mention at cruiser? I think he’d be my clear #2 American in that division.
Boxing is the beginning of all sports. I'm willing to bet that the first sport was a man against another man in a fight. (Omar Epps)
by Chaos100 on Aug 10, 2009 1:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Scott did this one actually
I was tied up this weekend, but with Scott having some pretty important stuff coming up, I’ll need to get off my duff and do some more writing. Unfortunately, next to nothing is actually going on right now.
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by Brickhaus on Aug 10, 2009 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I do apologize, I thought I saw your name at the top when I started reading...
Sorry SC…. Good article!!
However, I do have to ask, why no mention of Johnathon Banks at cruiser? He’d have been my #2 by a mile….
;) ;) ;)
Boxing is the beginning of all sports. I'm willing to bet that the first sport was a man against another man in a fight. (Omar Epps)
by Chaos100 on Aug 10, 2009 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is this question just being completely ignored?
I’m not as much of an expert as a lot of people on this site, but I’ve seen Banks fight, and I think he and Cunningham are far and away he tow best fighters from America at cruiser.
Boxing is the beginning of all sports. I'm willing to bet that the first sport was a man against another man in a fight. (Omar Epps)
by Chaos100 on Aug 12, 2009 8:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the myth of paul williams will end in october. GO GHOST
The Dude Abides
by battle axe of doom on Aug 10, 2009 2:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I kind of don't want to see this fight happen, because of comments like this....
Paul Williams is not a ‘myth’
Kelly Pavlik is also not a ‘myth’
But I predict a great number of people will triumphantly cry “The myth is exposed!!” whoever wins this fight. This is the kind of talk that makes me wonder why fighters should seek out the best opposition at all.
Williams was a 147 fighter months ago. Now if he loses to the best 160 fighter out there right now, the myth will be exposed?
I personally really like both fighters, and don’t want to see either of them get beat. It’s almost a Manny Pacquiao/Ricky Hatton scenario. This is the problem with ‘good’ matchmaking. Fans want to see the best fights, and then a certain element decry the loser as a myth when he loses. Why take this chance if you are Paul Williams/Kelly Pavlik/Miguel Cotto/Manny Pacquiao/Floyd Mayweather/Juan Manuel Marquez? (Marquez probably the exception, as the only one on that list with everything to gain and nothing to lose in the PBF fight).
Boxing is the beginning of all sports. I'm willing to bet that the first sport was a man against another man in a fight. (Omar Epps)
by Chaos100 on Aug 10, 2009 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Paul Williams is not a ‘myth’
Kelly Pavlik is also not a ‘myth’
I agree with this. But I still want to see them fight. I think we could get some fireworks out of that.
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
by jrok on Aug 10, 2009 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well if he sucks so much that’s a pretty lame win for Pavlik. Good fighters beating other good fighters doesn’t make dudes a myth.
by SC on Aug 10, 2009 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
geez you guys take it so personally when i put down one of your fanboy fighers (hatton, williams, etc). he’s not top 4 p4p in my eyes, and pavlik will show that.
The Dude Abides
by battle axe of doom on Aug 10, 2009 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey now! I was a Pavlik fanboy WAY before I was a Paul fanboy. ;)
by SC on Aug 10, 2009 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
' I think most everyone would pick the savvy Hopkins to beat him one-on-one still'
Really?! I would have Chad all day at this stage, and I would have thought that he would be favorite?! That was kind of surprising to read.
We're all given some sort of skill in life. Mine just happens to be beating up on people. (Sugar Ray Leonard)
by BrianBrock on Aug 10, 2009 2:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'd take Hopkins.....
Boxing is the beginning of all sports. I'm willing to bet that the first sport was a man against another man in a fight. (Omar Epps)
by Chaos100 on Aug 10, 2009 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
id pick hopkins
without a doubt.
by sonofapsycho on Aug 10, 2009 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
would you?!
No way….all he would do is make it look ugly and complain about losing a UD. Chad would make him look old and slow. Yes, he looked great against Pavlik, but Pavlik didn’t look so great even at a catchweight against Taylor, and the fact that he went back down 10lbs after that fight for me shows that the weight was simply too much for him that night, good as Hopkins was
We're all given some sort of skill in life. Mine just happens to be beating up on people. (Sugar Ray Leonard)
by BrianBrock on Aug 10, 2009 3:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'd be surprised
if Dawson wasn’t favorite for that match up anyway, nearly 45 years old is, well, old….
We're all given some sort of skill in life. Mine just happens to be beating up on people. (Sugar Ray Leonard)
by BrianBrock on Aug 10, 2009 3:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Done a poll, on the fanposts.... :)
Boxing is the beginning of all sports. I'm willing to bet that the first sport was a man against another man in a fight. (Omar Epps)
by Chaos100 on Aug 10, 2009 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn’t bet the farm on Hopkins in that fight… but I might bet a few horses and a head of cattle. I guess I’m not overly impressed with Chad, and I’ve seen Hop hand more experienced lefties a very bad day at the office.
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
by jrok on Aug 10, 2009 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh for sure
but a long time ago now. I would be very surprised if Chad couldn’t outwork him and make him look his age….
We're all given some sort of skill in life. Mine just happens to be beating up on people. (Sugar Ray Leonard)
by BrianBrock on Aug 10, 2009 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, that wasn’t the case against Glen Johnson. Glen looked like the younger man there to me.
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
by jrok on Aug 10, 2009 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well
he toughed it out in his first major tezt beyond the wide Adamek UD, and I think he’s a better fighter for it. And Johson was 39 at the time, Hopkins would be nearly 45. Looking forward to that Johnson rematch anyway.
We're all given some sort of skill in life. Mine just happens to be beating up on people. (Sugar Ray Leonard)
by BrianBrock on Aug 11, 2009 2:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Heavyweight list...
Scott – great read as always….what are your thoughts on Derric Rossy at heavyweight? Coming off a nice win on short notice, and I think he has a bright future……also, saw Steve Cunningham at UFC 101 in Philly…thanks….
by NeilLomaxFan on Aug 10, 2009 4:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
sound
We're all given some sort of skill in life. Mine just happens to be beating up on people. (Sugar Ray Leonard)
by BrianBrock on Aug 10, 2009 5:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Take it from an European...
American boxing is fine and dandy as it is.
Mainstream appeal sucks when the majority of the people purchasing PPV’s are 18 to 25 year olds who just want to look cool in front of their friends. Such a fickle audience is never going to last and what I envy about American boxing is at the moment only the dedicated fans are around boxing.
Here in Europe boxing has exploded as it has in various places around the world like China, India and the Philippines.
Problem is since its now popular its cool and extreme and these idiot kids buy PPV’s when we all know they’ll move onto the next extreme and cool thing when it comes along.
It must be pretty nice living in America where the audience for boxing isn’t a bunch of pubescent morons. I’m willing to swap.
by MannyPacquiao on Aug 10, 2009 7:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree
One of the coolest things about being a boxing fan in the states is that when I meet a fellow fan, I almost always enjoy the conversation. Not true with other sports, where the superficial fans you mention seem to turn up more often.
Boxing writer: "Iran, what are you going to do when you retire?"
Iran Barkley: "Rob your house"
by Matt Miller on Aug 10, 2009 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey now
I’m a pubescent idiot and boxing has been my life.
But in all seriousness, there are definite pluses and minuses for boxing being not as popular now in the US. It reminds me of the NHL before a year ago, right after the lockout, only the hardcore, old-school fans would either be at the game or watching on TV. And that’s good because when you talk about fights, you’re talking to someone who knows the sport. The bad side is there isn’t a whole lot of fresh blood and without big paydays we won’t see as many mega-fights. I personally cannot wait to see this ultimate fighting trend start to lose momentum.
by wennington4 on Aug 11, 2009 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well said. I’m with you on all points, except I don’t really care one way or the other about MMA and its momentum. Personally, I reject the whole "MMA is killing boxing" line of thinking. I think the seeds of boxing’s woes were sowed well before MMA became popular, and even if MMA and the UFC were to magically vanish from the sports world somehow, I think boxing’s status and fandom wouldn’t change a whole lot. Which is alright by me, actually. With the super 6 and some encouraging signs from the big promoters, I actually like the way the sport has been moving lately, and I think MMA has been helpful in creating these changes. So although I’ll always take a good boxing match over MMA, in a way, I’m grateful for the competition.
Boxing writer: "Iran, what are you going to do when you retire?"
Iran Barkley: "Rob your house"
by Matt Miller on Aug 11, 2009 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree
I recently became employed at a boxing gym, and the only people there who aren’t there to simply get into shape are people who are trying to learn boxing fundamentals solely for MMA training.
While it’s good that they want to learn how to box, it’s not for the right sport per se.
by wennington4 on Aug 11, 2009 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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