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Teddy Atlas weighs in on Cotto-Pacquiao, Mayweather-Marquez

Teddy Atlas has weighed in on the big fall fights, namely Cotto-Pacquiao and Mayweather-Marquez. (Photo via photos.silive.com)

Teddy Atlas recently did a two-part interview with Doghouse Boxing (part one is here, part two is here) in which he made sure to make note of a few things:

  1. He doesn't read the internet, which is (as DB interviewer David Tyler points out) the only real place for real boxing fans to discuss the sport and get their fix. God knows mainstream media doesn't put out for the sweet science.
  2. Frankly, he thinks we're all stupid. Listen, I'm a Teddy Atlas fan. I think he can be a tremendous commentator (I said he was the best in the business last year), and I think Teddy's one of the truly good human beings in boxing. But his dismissal of everyone else's feelings is pretty off-putting. Just sayin'.
  3. He has thoughts on Mayweather-Marquez and Cotto-Pacquiao, and those are quite relevant and meaningful.

On Cotto-Pacquiao:

It’s not the fight it would have been a couple of years ago or even a year ago. I think it could have been an interesting fight and maybe it still will be, I have no final say on it, it’s just my opinion. I just don’t think it will be the interesting fight that we want it to be or potentially on paper what it is supposed to be; a small Pacquiao fighting a bigger stronger Cotto whose primary asset is going to the body against the quicker fleeter footed small guy and wear him down. I don’t know that Cotto will be able to do that and that was one of the interesting things, big speed advantage versus a super quick fighter with a come ahead style and wear him down. That’s the interested part but it will not play out because Cotto is damaged goods. I know that some of these psychopaths are going to say, Teddy is off his rocker. I am not saying that Cotto doesn’t have heart, I’m not saying that he is not a warrior, he’s got all the heart in the world. I think he showed us he is damaged in the Clottey fight. I think that he was torn apart and ready to be taken, ready to spit the bit, and again to those psychopaths out there, save your words, I don’t listen to them and I don’t want to hear them. You have your opinion and I have mine and mine is based on being in this business my whole life. Yes Cotto is a warrior but fighters are humans first and fighters second. They are human, they have their frailties, their weak times, and they suffer from depression just like all humans do at times. Cotto was affected by the Margarito fight, his confidence was shaken, shaken to the CORE! He had doubts and those doubts were showing against Clottey and he wasn’t sure if he could handle it. Yes he won the fight but he was on the cuff, on the brink of being pushed over the cliff. In a weird way Clottey saved him because he did not act like a fighter should, he did not seize the moment, he didn’t push Cotto off the cliff, and he let him survive.

On Mayweather-Marquez:

I see it having elements of interest because there are certain areas, variables, intangibles that make it interesting. You got Mayweather who has been out of the ring over 18 months so the question is how does that year and a half affect him? You got Marquez who is a warrior and a very likeable guy and a really good fighter. You have to admire his work ethic, the guys he has fought, the way he conducts himself. You have to admire his character and the way this man has carried himself at the highest level of the sport. He will be doing everything he can to make this a fight that he can win. That reason alone will make it a good competitive fight. But the variables that come into play will be is Marquez too small, is Marquez too old, he is older and been in some tough fights, is this the night he gets old, does his skin hold up, Mayweather could maybe do a job on him from the outside he cuts him up and it doesn’t become the kind of contest that we want it to become. Also, is Mayweather coming back for the wrong reasons?

These are pretty interesting thoughts to be sure. The full interview is definitely worth reading. Even if Teddy thinks we're all "psychopaths" and malcontents that don't respect, uh, the sport or the fighters or whatever, he's a knowledgeable man to be sure, and one that has forogtten or even disregarded more about boxing than, frankly, I'll ever know. Teddy is one of a kind and a credit to the sport to be sure.

Related: The Dr. Theodore A. Atlas Foundation

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I actually agree with Teddy regarding these two fights. I see Manny and Floyd romps.

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by FlyByKnight on Aug 23, 2009 4:21 AM EDT reply actions  

Teddy completely underestimates Cotto in the first article, but then calls the Pac-Man overrated. Personally, never ever ever underestimate an excellent fighter. I agree that the Pac-Man gets waaayyyy too much for beating an advancing punching bag and an over-the-hill De La Hoya. Cotto is going to give him a seriously hard fight. I want to see how Pacquiao reacts when he gets in trouble (I know how he reacted in the JMM fight but what about when the bright lights are on). Top Rank is doing everything to completely screw Cotto before the fight, but I think the chip on Cotto’s shoulder is going to be huge. If Cotto isn’t completely drained by the weight-loss, I think Cotto is going to KO the Pac-Man.

by Waldo Rastel on Aug 23, 2009 5:01 AM EDT reply actions  

so now that everyone’s favorite commentator has backed us pacquiao fans up, who’s going to change their minds about the fight?

pacquiao via soul evisceration round 6

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by battle axe of doom on Aug 23, 2009 1:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Teddy’s picks track record is probably worse than mine. He’d pick you to beat Wladimir Klitschko.

by Scott Christ on Aug 23, 2009 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

christ forgot about that :\

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by battle axe of doom on Aug 23, 2009 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hope he’s wrong on Cotto’s condition but I’m afraid he’s right.

by lcollins1 on Aug 23, 2009 1:50 PM EDT reply actions  

Look, I very well might be a psychopath, a malcontent, a gambler and a moronic internet ape, and Teddy may know more about the sport of boxing then five of me combined. But one thing I DO know for sure is that when Teddy Atlas is talking South, bets generally swing North. There is a very good reason for that: Atlas is notoriously bad with his predictions. People respect him because he clearly isn’t a flack, but who hear doesn’t get a min-heart attack when Teddy picks with them? Even during a fight, you sometimes see Teddy obsessing over one or two technical details (which he’s right about) but missing the bigger picture of the way a fight is swinging. Teddy isn’t a big picture guy. He’s a technical guy who stinks at picking winners.

"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb

by jrok on Aug 23, 2009 1:51 PM EDT reply actions  

I just can’t wait to hear him in the corner with Povetkin: ‘the planets are all coming together, this is the critical moment of your being, walk down the bumpy road to your destiny’. Just crazy shit. I love the guy, and he knows the sport, but he’s also nuts.

by lcollins1 on Aug 23, 2009 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

listening to FNR4’s commentary is like listening to lennox lewis trying to utter out malignaggi’s last name for 2 hours straight. MISERABLE

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by battle axe of doom on Aug 23, 2009 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

ha. yeah how funny was that last night. LL got worse with the name until by the end he would just mutter the letter ‘P’, a couple more syllables and keep moving.

by lcollins1 on Aug 23, 2009 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

i swear he said “maligenaggio” and fixed it with “magignaggi”

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by battle axe of doom on Aug 23, 2009 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed. Totally.

I reckon if you picked against Teddy every fight, or at least every major fight, you’d turn a profit.

I’m probably wrong, but then again so is he….

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by Chaos100 on Aug 23, 2009 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah. I’ve been watching Teddy put his chip in for a couple of decades now, and more often or not Teddy Atlas will pick the loser. It almost feels supernatural sometimes, but then when you take a closer look there seems to be a madness to his method.

Correct me if I’m wrong, but just working our way up into the Cotto-Pacaquiao fight, I am fairly sure that Teddy picked Malignaggi over Hatton, Oscar over Pacquiao, Hatton over Pacquiao, Cotto over Margarito, Margarito over Mosley and Clottey over Cotto. In other words, Teddy picked wrong on every single fight in the last two years that made Cotto-Pacquiao possible.

I actual think that the combination Atlas’ overinflated ego and awful prediction record has driven him a little nuts with his predictions. This pattern becomes a gambling sickness in some bettors, where they pick against one guy, get it wrong, then pick for that guy in his net fight, get that wrong, then pick for the guy who beat that guy…. and so on.

Also, sometimes Teddy really obsesses over the wrong details when he makes a prediction, and misses the 800 lb gorilla taking a dump in the middle of the room. And even though he is a “technical guy” I don’t think of him as some technical wizard. Atlas says obvious things a lot (“this guy is short, so he needs to get inside!!!”) and repeats himself a lot. He is probably a very competent trainer, but he has ridden a long way on the myth that he played a large role in molding Tyson. Even when he is yammering on about height and “controlling distance” you can tell he is sort of playing to that myth, trying to subtly plant the idea that he was a key player in teaching Tyson how to do this.

"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb

by jrok on Aug 23, 2009 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Really?

I have my questions about Cotto after the Margarito fight, but to claim that the Clottey fight exposed anything seems like an overreaction. The guy got cut on an accidental headbutt, was bleeding massively out of the thing against an underrated fighter with everything on the line and didn’t give up. How easy would it have been to call for a doctor and end the fight ASAP rather than go the distance in that situation?

"A player who conjugates a verb in the first person singular cannot be part of the squad, he has to conjugate the verb in the first person plural. We. We want to conquer. We are going to conquer. Using the word 'I' when you're in a group makes things complicated." ~ Wanderley Luxemburgo, 1999

by ejruiz on Aug 23, 2009 3:23 PM EDT reply actions  

exactly--I feel the same about Cotto/Clottey

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by Matt Miller on Aug 23, 2009 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

Boxing is the beginning of all sports. I'm willing to bet that the first sport was a man against another man in a fight. (Omar Epps)

by Chaos100 on Aug 23, 2009 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agree with ejruiz

Sure, Teddy’s right about Clottey not taking advantage of the cut, but I thought Cotto acted admirably in that fight all things considered, and in many ways exorcised his Margarito demons

by OmarLittle on Aug 23, 2009 7:00 PM EDT reply actions  

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