Malignaggi and Van Hoy continue to battle in the press
by Scott Christ on Aug 24, 2009 6:40 PM EDT
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Texas judge Gale Van Hoy spoke on the record with Michael Marley about the controversy surrounding his awful 118-110 Diaz scorecard from Saturday night in Houston:
Speaking from his home in Dickinson, Tx., Van Hoy admitted his scoring was off the mark but stuck to his guns about Diaz being the rightful winner.
"Oscar is probably right. I could have messed up, I’m human," Van Hoy told Examner.com and Boxingconfidential.
"I never claimed to be perfect but I’m not a hometown judge. I’ve done 65 or so world title fights. I’ve done fights involving Manny Pacquiao, Floyd Mayweather and Kostya Tszyu. I did a Paulie fight in Little Rock, an eight rounder and I gave Paulie six or seven rounds. He doesn’t remember or mention that."
Van Hoy said he viewed Maliganggi’s jab and dash tactics as being less effective than Diaz’s constant aggression.
"I am not infallible but this is how I saw it. Maybe, in retrospect, I was wide in my score, maybe I was off by a round or two. Paulie’s got a good jab but it kept hitting Juan’s gloves. There was not enough power in those jabs."
Paulie Malignaggi has shot back, speaking with BoxingScene.com's Rick Reeno:
"I found this very funny. The punches weren't hard enough? Diaz's face must have cut up on its own. I have a very heavy jab. What about the fact that I threw 300 more punches than him? What about the fact that my jab stopped him from getting off with his own punches? Very rarely does any opponent out-throw Juan Diaz.
"And when the hell did we establish the power of a jab? ... He says he's not a hometown judge? I have a list of his fights. Don't worry, Mr. Van Hoy, this is not over. I am not going away any time soon. He should keep his mouth shut because he's only diggins his own grave even deeper."
Malignaggi clearly has no desire to just drop this matter. He's going to dig and dig, it would appear, and while he has to know there's no chance of this being overturned or even seriously investigated, it seems as though he's genuinely angry enough to keep this in the news as long as he can.
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I’m somewhat appreciative that the guy is feeling some pressure. However, appealing to some fight he did in Little Rock is bullshit. What’s the logic?: ‘since I scored one for you back then, now it’s his turn’.
Good for Paulie
Put the pressure on that fool. It’s not about the past but the present, who cares what Van Oy scored in the past. He dropped the ball on this one.
by SmittytheCutman on Aug 24, 2009 7:22 PM EDT reply actions
You make a bullshit score, expect for people to call you out on it… esp if they foreshadowed it.
He should have been smart and shut the fuck up…
"Boxing is dirty," said Casamayor. " The day I’m not ready to be a dirty fighter is the day I don’t fight anymore because it will mean that I have no heart for it anymore."
He should be given the sack...
He fucked up and it makes boxing look bad.
I scored the fight for Diaz, but I basically back Paulie in this. Van Hoy’s card was impossible. Paulie may have invited something like this with his pre-fight bullshit, but Van Hoy proved the bullshit was right with his card. Something was up with this guy’s scoring.
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
“I found this very funny. The punches weren’t hard enough? Diaz’s face must have cut up on its own. I have a very heavy jab”
I found it funny that Paulie found this funny. No Paulie, you do not have a heavy jab. Juan had two very nasty cuts opened on an scar-tissue paper eye that has been cut twice before, and they got opened up very early in the fight. If you had an ounce of power in those potato chip fists of yours, you could have easily gotten a medical stoppage or corner retirement. The fact that it didn’t happen is pretty much a testament to how featherfisted you are.
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
power jab = effective jab?
See this is what I don’t get. We know that Paulie wins his fights by decision. I have no problem with that… but how can ppl claim his jab wasn’t effective? If his jab disrupts the flow of his opponent, stops the opponent from coming in, etc.. THAT’s an effective jab. It shouldn’t matter whether its a STIFF jab or not, it should matter if its effective… and I thought Paulie through a pretty effective jab in the many rounds he won….
Yes his jab was pretty effective in the rounds he won. In the rounds he lost… it wasn’t. A good jab is a utility punch that can be used for all kinds of things. It can be used for disrupting your opponent’s timing, measuring distance, setting up combinations, blinding cover for a straight right or right cross… hell some boxers, like Lennox Lewis or Larry Holmes, hwere able to use it as a formidable weapon all it’s own.
Of course if your only using it to break or short circuit an offense… well, it better do just that. In the case of the middle rounds against Diaz, it didn’t. For instance, Paulie landed 11 jabs in the close sixth round, but Diaz was still able to come in 16 times and land power punches on Paulie. So basically… it didn’t work! Trading 11 jabs for 16 power punches is not a good trade-off, unless you are able to also get off power shots of your own (he wasn’t; Paulie only landed 9). So even if those numbers were closer, it still wouldn’t qualify as stopping a guy’s game plan. Getting inside to land hooks was what Juan was trying to do, and Paulie wasn’t able to stop him for doing that.
This trend continued for round seven and round eight. In round seven, Diaz outlanded Malignaggi 18-15 (not even counting the inside rough stuff). There Paulie landed 9 jabs in an unsuccessful effort to disrupt and fend off 13 power punches from Juan… again, bad trade. Paulie landed 6 of his own power shots in that round while Juan hit him with 5 jabs. So who was imposing his will? Round eight was closer… Paulie connected with 9 jabs versus 9 power punches from Juan. But Juan landed 7 jabs of his own compared to 5 power connects from Paulie.. in a way, you could even say that Juan had the more effective jab in that round, because he once again was able to land more and bigger punches while limiting Paulie’s own power punch production. In all three of those rounds, Juan was more accurate, and more effective at doing what he wanted to do which was getting to Paulie’s with hooks downstairs and upstairs.
I think rounds 6, 7 and 8 are the most misunderstood rounds of this fight. Paulie threw a lot of jabs to try to keep Juan off of him, but he missed most of what he threw and he wasn’t able to stop Juan from coming in anyway.
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
One other thing I didn't mention
…that jabs can be used for, is prying open cuts. A good, stiff needling jab can take a bad cut and make it downright ghoulish, forcing a stoppage.
I’ll try to put this politely… Juan Diaz does not have the best cutman in the sport.. In fact, he’s frankly pretty much downright awful, and Juan does not generally fight well with a cut. But Paulie was unable to capitalize, even on two cuts. They were gross, but they stayed about the same level of gross from round 4 on.
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
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