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More cheerless reports coming out of Juan Manuel Marquez camp

Rumors further swirl that the Juan Manuel Marquez camp is not a joyous place to be as he approaches his fight with Floyd Mayweather Jr. in Las Vegas. The two meet on September 19. (Photo via www.wbcboxing.com)

Rumors further swirl that the Juan Manuel Marquez camp is not a joyous place to be as he approaches his fight with Floyd Mayweather Jr. in Las Vegas. The two meet on September 19. (Photo via www.wbcboxing.com)

Michael Marley of the Examiner reports that the mood at the camp of world lightweight champion Juan Manuel Marquez is getting really bad. Brick mentioned this in today's Mandatory Eight Count post, but I think this one is worth talking about further.

Trainer Nacho Beristain is especially melancholy, it appears:

Beristain normally has a Bill Belichick, Gloomy Gus sort of emotional outlook but insiders say he is especially downcast now.

"He’s told Mexican journalists that people are surrounding Juan Ma and his boxing brother, Rafael, and blowing up their heads," one LA-based fight guy said. "Nacho has complained about not having any Mayweather style sparring also. Nacho is thrifty himself but he views promoter Golden Boy as thriftier."

Marley wonders why Golden Boy hasn't tried to get Steve Forbes or even junior middleweight/middleweight Ishe Smith in to spar with Marquez. Smith had a fight on August 22, but "2 Pound" isn't doing anything right now and last fought in March. Forbes is no Mayweather, but he might be able to give JMM some looks, and I'd agree that would be a solid sparring partner.

What truly amazes me is that it would seem nobody has called Shane Mosley. Mosley is famous for his ability to mock the style of others and is not just a Golden Boy fighter, but is part of the office, too. You could argue or speculate that perhaps Mosley has no personal interest in Marquez beating Mayweather, as I'm sure he'd love to get Floyd lined up next year. You can also argue that Mosley-Marquez is just not a fair fight and sparring with Mosley might not help Marquez very much at all if all he does is get beaten up.

Luis Mesorana of Texas had this to say:

"Only because Juan Ma has balls, Mexican balls, do I see him going 10 rounds," Mesorana said. "This ain’t Pacquiao he’s fighting here. Some guys, like Ken Norton against Muhammad Ali, always give a certain opponent problems. But, if Marquez thinks Floyd is going to be easy to hit like Juan Diaz was, he’s wrong.

"Also Juan cuts easy and he is no defensive genius. Marquez is a good boxer but Mayweather is something else. He’s too small and Mayweaher’s speed is too much.

"Mayweather is patient and he will cut Marquez," Mesorana said. "Juan will fight emotionally while Floyd is patient. His Mexicanism, his emotionalism, will betray him. Mayweather is going to mentally frustrate him. You know it and Nacho knows it."

This could certainly all be an attempt at mind games, but if that really is the case, I have to say this has been one of the downright worst-promoted fights in the history of boxing. Here's what we've been told:

  • Mayweather saying right off the bat not that he's too big or strong or fast for Marquez necessarily, but that Marquez is "too small." So why would I want to see you fight him, Floyd?
  • Beristain saying Marquez is doomed because he put on too much muscle to get to 144 and lost his speed. It's sounding better and better! A too small fighter who doesn't have his speed now, oh boy!
  • More reports of Beristain allegedly being desperate in camp, now having it compared to leading a man to his execution. Jesus, I can't wait for this one. They've made it sound so competitive and enticing!

In fact, the only guy that's been on the record over and over about this being a competitive fight is Oscar de la Hoya, who always sounds kind of like he's putting you on, but now sounds like he's flat-out grinning and lying and trying to take your money for a weak fight. I'm still excited to see this fight go down because of that small chance that Marquez lands a win in what could be a watershed moment for Mexican boxing and the sport on the whole. But I think it's inarguable that they have done an absolutely terrible job of making anyone want to see this fight, and it goes to both sides.

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In fact, the only guy that’s been on the record over and over about this being a competitive fight is Oscar de la Hoya, who always sounds kind of like he’s putting you on, but now sounds like he’s flat-out grinning and lying and trying to take your money for a weak fight.

Yeah, this promotion now has all the flavor of used car dealership, and Oscar is the slickster with the shit-eating grin. “Sure there’s 200,000 miles on her, but look at all the fine stitching on that upholstery!”

Now that the fight is close, I’m not really sure what were expecting out of this to begin with. This will only be Marquez’ third fight above 130 lbs, and its not like he breezed past the other two. he’ll be fighting a guy who is bigger and faster than either Casa or Diaz, not to mention harder to hit. It’s not as taking time out of his busy welterweight schedule to fight Ricky Hatton, but it’s in the same ballpark. If we are to take this on its face, Marquez is a 36 year-old, ringworn Super Featherweight who has now had a bad camp.

"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb

by jrok on Aug 31, 2009 5:15 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I know for a fact they DID try to get Forbes to spar Marquez

And Forbes wouldn’t do it. Some BS about not being a sparring partner and how he should be getting big fights. Probably more along the lines of Nacho wouldn’t pay him enough.

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by Brickhaus on Aug 31, 2009 6:10 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

What truly amazes me is that it would seem nobody has called Shane Mosley. Mosley is famous for his ability to mock the style of others and is not just a Golden Boy fighter, but is part of the office, too.

I would have thought that with all the free time Mosley had they would have taken advantage of that and chosen him as a sparring partner. Jeez…

"Penelosa is not human." -Max Kellerman on Gerry Penelosa during the Juan Manuel Lopes-Gerry Penelosa bout.

by Sickle on Aug 31, 2009 6:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Lets be honest… Mosley isn’t going to Mexico… Think about it rationally.

"Boxing is dirty," said Casamayor. " The day I’m not ready to be a dirty fighter is the day I don’t fight anymore because it will mean that I have no heart for it anymore."

by Zocalo on Aug 31, 2009 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Did anybody not see it coming?

Right off the bat we knew this fight was likely to be a joke.

Marquez has only fought above 130 twice and both times he had a difficult time. Now he’s moving up to a weight he has never fought at.

Mayweather is going to have his way with him.

by MannyPacquiao on Aug 31, 2009 7:20 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

as a mexican (50% mexican how jmm would call me) i should be saddened by this, but since i’m a diehard pacman fanboy and i made a tiny bet with my pal on mayweather this is fantastic news :)

The Dude Abides

by battle axe of doom on Aug 31, 2009 7:22 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Here is JMM diary…

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=4431484

Some good tidbits…

"Boxing is dirty," said Casamayor. " The day I’m not ready to be a dirty fighter is the day I don’t fight anymore because it will mean that I have no heart for it anymore."

by Zocalo on Aug 31, 2009 7:26 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I still say it's all bullshit

not that I think Marquez is in a good position to win or anything

Boxing writer: "Iran, what are you going to do when you retire?"
Iran Barkley: "Rob your house"

by Matt Miller on Aug 31, 2009 7:53 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

This

it doesn’t make rational sense, unless Nacho is trying to underwhelm PBF, actually thinking his man is going to win, thus building for the 3rd Pac fight.

by lcollins1 on Aug 31, 2009 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

floyds lack of power or jmms lack of speed

marquez is sharp enough 2 pound on him like jesus chavez and castillo (n thr rematch floyd showed his colors) … maywather has learned not 2 really fight with mexicans howevr jmm’s pressure and jab accuracy will get him the nod.

by Miguelion111 on Aug 31, 2009 8:15 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Marquez can't go to the body like Castillo

I hate to say it, but I have a bad feeling that this will be a mismatch on the order of Mayweather-Hatton. It won’t be exactly the same; Hatton was doomed because he was small and unskilled. Marquez is doomed because he is small, old and dinged-up.

"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb

by jrok on Aug 31, 2009 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I actually gave Hatton the first few rounds of that fight

He was controlling the flow and making it an ugly fight. Not his fight he had a ref who was basically paid to put the fight in Floyd’s pocket by taking away his once chance at a win.

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Sep 1, 2009 4:30 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed.

Were it not for Cortez, Hattons work inside would have done much more damage, taken much more of a toll on Floyd and slowed him down for the later rounds. I genuinely thought Hatton would have won the fight were it not in Floyd’s choice of ring size, wearing Floyds choice of glove, with Floyd’s ref, at Floyd’s weight. Hatton gave him every advantage, and Floyd still needed Cortez to split it up every time Hatton got near him.

I still remember one time (I think it was in the 5th) when Hatton rocked him, and Floyd wobbled backwards across the ring, and HAtton went to go after him, but Cortez got in the way. Now, surely, if he’s gonna get in Hatton’s way, he has to give Floyd a count? Anywaythat’s by-the-by now, but I didn’t see it as a mismatch, unless you believed as I did that it was 2 against one in there….

Boxing is the beginning of all sports. I'm willing to bet that the first sport was a man against another man in a fight. (Omar Epps)

by Chaos100 on Sep 1, 2009 6:54 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It wasn't a mismatch early

obviously as it went through 7 and 8, then yeah…

We're all given some sort of skill in life. Mine just happens to be beating up on people. (Sugar Ray Leonard)

by BrianBrock on Sep 1, 2009 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

24/7 hasn't suggested a wiff of this so far

and I doubt that it will be an issue for them. 24/7 is all smoke and mirrors anyway (just like the rumors floating out of camp Marquez).

Boxing writer: "Iran, what are you going to do when you retire?"
Iran Barkley: "Rob your house"

by Matt Miller on Sep 1, 2009 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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