Random Thoughts and Open Thread for Aug. 9
by SC on Aug 9, 2009 2:19 PM EDT
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August is generally a pretty thin month for boxing news and events, so here's an open thread. Talk about whatever you like. Just keep it clean and civil.
Also, some "random thoughts"!
- Arthur Abraham might well find the going a bit tougher at 168 than he did at 160. Not only does the Super Six feature some major league talent the likes of which, frankly, he has not yet faced, but he's going to be the small guy against everyone. I like his first matchup with Jermain Taylor, but that's more that I'm unsure if we'll ever see the "old" JT ever again; in fact, I'm almost positive we won't. But Abraham against Kessler? A quick guy like Dirrell? A tricky guy like Ward? They're interesting fights, and hard fights for Arthur.
- Juan Manuel Marquez is having trouble finding sparring partners to prepare him for Floyd Mayweather Jr. on September 19. Golden Boy should probably send Shane Mosley down to give Marquez a hand. Mosley is famous for being able to imitate styles, and while he doesn't fight like Mayweather, he offers a fair approximation of Floyd's hand speed. Plus Mosley and Marquez work together. Plus it'd be good for 24/7. Recent Golden Boy signee Joan Guzman might be a good choice, too, though Guzman is busy himself.
- I think I've had enough Cotto-Pacquiao hemming and hawing for the time being. Just fight, guys. The Bobfather is 100% right: Nobody gives a damn about the belt. It turns out that Pacquiao picked the wrong guy to fight a catchweight against and seek his seventh weight class world title. Too bad. Should've fought Mosley, I guess.
- Alfredo Angulo's domination of Gabriel Rosado on Friday Night Fights was good to see, no offense to Rosado. I really think too much was made of his loss to Kermit Cintron, who boxed the best he ever has that night and I still had it a draw. Angulo may not ever be a P4P contender or anything (in fact, I'd bet a set of tires he won't be), but there have been some raw, rugged, slow-handed dudes that have made fine careers in the sport. Angulo will be fine.
- As much as I love guys taking risks, you can't help but question the matchmaking decisions for Daniel Jacobs-Ishe Smith. Who thought that was a good idea for Jacobs? Smith is damn near impossible to look good against, and is no gimme. I'm glad Jacobs is taking an actual challenge and everything, but if I were his business manager or whatever, no way I'd have booked that one. No way.
- Another thing I've had enough of: Shaquille O'Neal. Laziness prevented him from being the most dominant player in the history of the NBA, and now I have to put up with some dopey reality show where he'll fight Oscar de la Hoya? Not to mention every time I call Comcast, there he is with Ben Stein on the phone. I do like that Oscar is trying to sell this "fight," though. I don't know what I want to happen there. Double KO?
- I want to say this again, because credit is due: Roy Jones Jr. and Jeff Lacy have done an outstanding job of promoting their August 15 PPV. It's a minor show, it's not an important fight, most of us don't really care at all, but the two of them really got this fight out there as well as you could possibly expect. Kudos, guys. I'd be ordering if I wasn't getting married that night.
- Jones was also at UFC 101 last night to "scout" or whatever. Blah blah blah, Roy Jones, blah blah blah, Anderson Silva. Jones-Silva is another thing I've had enough of. I thought UFC 101 was a pretty weak show, for what it's worth, but then I hear that UFC never has bad shows, so I'm probably wrong. The WEC show today on Vs. is worth checking out, too. Miguel Torres is my favorite MMA fighter and always a treat to watch.
- Golden Boy's "Fight Night Club" needs to be re-designed or something. That show is absolutely atrocious. I don't care how much you like boxing; you do not enjoy that show. Don't even tell me you do.
- I thought Assault in the Ring was a fine documentary. Nothing mind-blowing. It was heartbreaking watching Resto come to terms with things, and it was infuriating watching Panama Lewis continue to be such a despicable fraud. I wish there had been more time devoted to the Collins side of the story, particularly the idea that he could have fought again, but that his father wanted the lawsuit money.
- Doug Fischer wonders if Filipino interest in boxing will remain after Pacquiao retires. I figure, "Yeah, probably."
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dan rafael reports that richard schaefer is going to try to finalize fights between mosley-berto & hopkins-adamek. according to dan, hopkins has finally realized his previous offer was ridiculous, so now he’s got schaefer trying to give duva a real offer
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by battle axe of doom on Aug 9, 2009 3:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Great news :)
"Boxing is dirty," said Casamayor. " The day I’m not ready to be a dirty fighter is the day I don’t fight anymore because it will mean that I have no heart for it anymore."
by Zocalo on Aug 9, 2009 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It has been said… it is never too late to do the right thing… I am glad that Resto said… fuck it. I know what I did was wrong… and I am sorry to everyone.
"Boxing is dirty," said Casamayor. " The day I’m not ready to be a dirty fighter is the day I don’t fight anymore because it will mean that I have no heart for it anymore."
by Zocalo on Aug 9, 2009 4:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Guzman prolly doesn’t have the handspeed after going up and down so many times in weight…
Mosley is the guy if Marquez wants to get a idea how fast Mayweather is… I just think that it might be like the Baldmir fight where Mayweather just potshots in an ugly fight.
"Boxing is dirty," said Casamayor. " The day I’m not ready to be a dirty fighter is the day I don’t fight anymore because it will mean that I have no heart for it anymore."
by Zocalo on Aug 9, 2009 4:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Silva doing a Jones impression
Anderson Silva of the UFC has said that one of his ambitions is to fight Roy Jones. If anyone saw last night’s UFC, Silva’s performance was like a Roy Jones impression with the KO looking like Jones stoppage of Glenn Kelly.
Given that Jones is faded, I think him and Silva would make for an interesting spectacle. (Note the use of the word.) If a kickboxer like Payakaroon could win a title, who is to say that Silva couldn’t be competitive?
After Silva’s performance, this is something I wouldn’t mind seeing.
by cyke on Aug 9, 2009 6:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm pretty sure Abraham will have more problems at 168
In fact, I wouldn’t be at all surprised if he’s not one of the four to make it to the second round. He’s gotten relatively good matchmaking, as Jermain Taylor is a great style matchup for him and he doesn’t need to face Kessler, but I suspect that Froch will dominate him, and Dirrell is a dark horse to beat him.
As for the Pinoys, there should be other stars by the time Pacquiao retires. Not as big as Pacquiao maybe, but there are probably other up and coming champions. Donaire is well on his way to becoming a star, and Marvin Sonsona and Drian Francisco both look promising.
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by Brickhaus on Aug 9, 2009 11:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You really think Froch would dominate Abraham? Is it a size issue, you think?
We are seeing a kind of Golden Age for Philippine Boxing, it seems, or a Renaissance, if you will. You have talent from multiple generations of fighters overlapping at this particular moment — from “Uncle Gerry” Penalosa to Manny of course, to the “babies” in the group like Sonsona — all active.
There is renewed interest in the sport in the country and boxing gyms are sprouting all over the islands, as Nonito Donaire mentioned in an interview, I think. If it’s true that boxing is still populated mostly by individuals from poor and desperate circumstances, then I don’t think the Philippines should have any shortage of young boys looking to boxing as their way out — especially after seeing what the sport has done for their idol, Manny.
What I find distressing is what appears to be this rush to find “The Next Pacquiao.” As Freddie Roach himself said, there isn’t going to be another Pacquiao from the Philippines — or any other country, for that matter. Not for a while anyway. The boxing community in the country needs to be less preoccupied with finding another boxing “sensation” and needs to commit itself to developing better instructors and facilities in order to give young fighters a better foundation. Furthermore, perhaps a little government help in starting up a nationwide amateur program complete with scholarships or what not might be nice. Send more of the boys to the Olympics. Then again, the government has more dire concerns at the moment, I suppose…
That being said, I feel boxing is going to take up space in the national consciousness for a while…
by Areglado on Aug 10, 2009 2:32 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
It's not just a size issue
Although the size helps. Abraham’s modus operandi is to lay back, cover up, and fire bombs for the last 30 seconds of the round. That’s pretty much always what he’s done. Froch would be the hardest or second hardest puncher Abraham has faced, the most aggressive fighter he’s faced, the best chin of anyone he’s faced and the biggest fighter he’s faced. Abraham had some problems with Gevor and Simon simply because they were aggressive, but he was able to KO Gevor late, and Simon really just isn’t very good. A bigger, more aggressive, more skilled version of Simon (which I think Froch is) would have beaten Abraham pretty easily.
Froch isn’t a dumb fighter. I think he’ll be aggressive the first couple of minutes of each round, then use his reach to keep Abraham off of him near the end of the round. If he does that, he should be able to win most of the rounds, since Abraham is so inactive in the first half of every round, and Froch has a massive reach advantage.
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by Brickhaus on Aug 10, 2009 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess I’m just so used to seeing Abraham dominate opponents that I have trouble seeing him manhandled by someone like Froch, who, while possessing sufficient talent and physical capability, hasn’t really struck me as much of a world-beater. Still, I can see where you’re coming from with this, and am excited to see them get it on. Not as excited as I am to see Abraham pound out Jermaine Taylor though.
by Areglado on Aug 10, 2009 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fight Night Club
I don’t get the hate for the show. The first episode was a ton of fun filled with four fun fights and the second one was all right too, though not as good as the first. The main event was a really fun surprise. My main complaint though is the commentators. I’m watching the show. Stop trying to sell it so hard to me. I usually get on commentators for being downers, but this is the opposite end. Just call the fights!
by jcarr71 on Aug 9, 2009 11:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
"there have been some raw, rugged, slow-handed dudes that have made fine careers in the sport"
Just out of curiosity… examples? =)
by Fj-3 on Aug 9, 2009 11:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Margarito, Mayorga, Adamek, Froch, etc. There have been plenty of fighters who weren’t great technically or athletically but have had and are having good careers being come forward pressure fighters on aggression and heart.
by jcarr71 on Aug 9, 2009 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I get your point...
… but I have to quibble with the idea that plaster-hands has had a “fine career.”
Boxing writer: "Iran, what are you going to do when you retire?"
Iran Barkley: "Rob your house"
by Matt Miller on Aug 10, 2009 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
FFS......
We get it, y’know? Do you have to turn every single fucking mention of the man’s name into an opportunity to have a pop at him? Seriously?
Your feelings are plain, you hate him. You think he should be wiped off the face of the earth, record disregarded and vaporized, and maybe even nuke Tijuana so we don’t get another one.
We know this.
Can you now just make an attempt to refrain from using his name as your own proverbial “red flag to a bull” and leave it alone?
Seriously?
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by Chaos100 on Aug 10, 2009 5:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I actually second the opinion that Margarito should be wiped off the face of the Earth, but still, why was his comment so infuriating? He questioned Margarito’s overall achievements. So what? Looks to me as though he has one impressive win and a score of losses (some to pretty unremarkable foes).
Boxing is like jazz. The better it is, the less people appreciate it.
-George Foreman
by jsims2 on Aug 10, 2009 7:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
Putting aside the whole thing about the gloves (which people either think they know, but can’t prove, or know nothing, and speculate anyway…), Margarito did have a fine career. Were it now not being called into question due to the whole thing in the Mosley fight, then no-one would be saying otherwise.
You honestly think Margarito had only one ‘impressive win’? I suggest you look again.
Boxing is the beginning of all sports. I'm willing to bet that the first sport was a man against another man in a fight. (Omar Epps)
by Chaos100 on Aug 10, 2009 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he wasn’t a dirty fucking cheat, people wouldn’t react this way.
by SC on Aug 10, 2009 8:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok.
I agree he is a cheat. I agree he was caught out. Maybe the fact that it was so recent (relatively speaking) that makes people spew forth their bull about him ALL THE FUCKING TIME. But seriously, people need to get over it now.
We all know,
a) he cheated.
b) he should never be allowed to fight again
c) he is a despicable person
Now can we please just get to the point where it isn’t necessary to say these things EVERY FUCKING TIME his name is mentioned?
I mean, seriously, there are lots, and I mean LOTS, of other people that have either a) been accused of cheating, or b) have actually cheated, depending on perspective. I don’t see anyone constantly hating these guys ALL THE TIME. Some of them are even revered by a lot of people, myself included.
Roy Jones Jr
Aaron Pryor
Shane Mosley
Omar Nino
Diego Maradona
Mike Atherton (for all the English out there ;) )
Quinten Hann
Ben Johnson
Carl Lewis
Lance Armstrong
I don’t CONSTANTLY see these people attacked whenever their names come up. Is it too much to ask for a balanced conversation, where simply seeing someone’s name doesn’t provoke an instant “I must please the crowd with my mob-mentality based vitriolic BS” reaction?
On this site, it is very rare to simply see hating going on. We all know how much Margarito is detested. Reminders on a daily basis just kind of smack a little bit of desperation, to be honest.
Boxing is the beginning of all sports. I'm willing to bet that the first sport was a man against another man in a fight. (Omar Epps)
by Chaos100 on Aug 10, 2009 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
just my two cents worth, as they say...
Just on the things I know about;
Athers’ crime really didn’t taint his whole career or cast a shadow over his previous achievements in any way. Its actually something he jokes about now. You know what the English media are like and were like with him at the time.
Lance Armstrong, if they actually conclusively proved anything, then his whole career would be tainted in the same way.
The thing is, it seems like this case in boxing is different because of the nature of it. Its something that profoundly disgusts people, especially if you were a fan of his before. Boxing’s for men, and you lose respect for him as a man and anything he might have achieved before. If you still have respect for what he achieved before and think he had a fine career, thats an opinion you’re entitled to. Its amazing that you can make an analogy with dirt in a pocket or a handballed ‘goal’ to what he did.
We're all given some sort of skill in life. Mine just happens to be beating up on people. (Sugar Ray Leonard)
by BrianBrock on Aug 10, 2009 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can see your point....
But discrediting the WHOLE of Toni’s career based on conjecture is a little too much like… I don’t know… it just feels like a big over-reaction. If I get caught drink-driving, the judge doesn’t automatically assume I ALWAYS drink-drove.
When I see people writing stuff like “Toni’s chin wasn’t that great, cos he had plaster in his fists….” etc etc… it annoys me. Writing off the guy as a boxer can only go so far, y’know? I know what I saw, I know that right now, he still has the best ‘chin’ anywhere south of middleweight. Cotto hit him with some real bombs, and Toni walked through them like they didn’t even land. Same for Cintron (twice), who can BANG.
But suddenly, since Toni got caught cheating, it’s like people forget that he had any attributes at all, and I personally find it farcical when people try to discredit EVERYTHING he was as a fighter. I don’t care if he took a bloody 12-gauge shotgun in there and used it in the 11th… most fighters simply wouldn’t have ever made it that far with Cotto looking to put their chin through the back of their head.
I can see the outrage, I can see the disgust, I can understand it all. I myself was absolutely gutted when it all happened. I do not, however, just forget what I saw beforehand, and try to trivialize and marginalize the stuff the guy DID do well.
The guy is/was a cheat. He was a cheat with a magnificent chin, great stamina, and no morals. He can’t see the moral high-ground with a really fucking big pair of binoculars. I just don’t see the need to subscribe to the “I want to tell everyone how much I hate Margarito so I feel like I fit in, Mum” club, and don’t really see the need to remind everyone at every opportunity that he was a cheat, blah blah blah. It makes me wonder who people are trying to convince?
“I hate Toni more”
“No, I hate him more, and I’m gonna pour scorn on him”
“No I hate him more, and I wish he was dead”
No, I hate him more, and I’m gonna make sure everyone knows, I hate Toni more than Hitler…"
FFS, we get it. Just leave it alone, already. (not aimed at you, “BrianBrock”…)
Boxing is the beginning of all sports. I'm willing to bet that the first sport was a man against another man in a fight. (Omar Epps)
by Chaos100 on Aug 10, 2009 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude
Miller wrote a single sentence, and didn’t say anything about “hating” anyone.
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
by jrok on Aug 10, 2009 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Denying that the guy had a 'fine' career is tantamount...
When people try to apply this argument to the top guys, Pac, Floyd, whoever, or to lesser fighters, Thaxton, et al, it is described as ‘hating’, and the people writing it are often described as ‘haters’.
You know this, I fail to grasp why you would make me spell it out as if you are a sub-standard intellect, when you quite clearly are not.
Boxing is the beginning of all sports. I'm willing to bet that the first sport was a man against another man in a fight. (Omar Epps)
by Chaos100 on Aug 10, 2009 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
dude
this could go a while arguing whether he had a fine career or not. It did seem like a mild single line, but some people are going to go one way on it and most are going to go the other, I guess…
We're all given some sort of skill in life. Mine just happens to be beating up on people. (Sugar Ray Leonard)
by BrianBrock on Aug 10, 2009 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No it is not “tantamount.” What makes you say that? Miller just said something that many fans happen to agree with… that their opinion of Margarito’s career is tainted by what happened. That doesn’t make it a mob mentality. It just makes it a popular sentiment.
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
by jrok on Aug 10, 2009 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
cool dude ;)
agreed on the chin and stamina, you can’t take that away from him.
We're all given some sort of skill in life. Mine just happens to be beating up on people. (Sugar Ray Leonard)
by BrianBrock on Aug 10, 2009 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought my comment was pretty tame, actually.
Boxing writer: "Iran, what are you going to do when you retire?"
Iran Barkley: "Rob your house"
by Matt Miller on Aug 10, 2009 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really don’t see anyone aside from Kessler dominating Abraham, but yeah, he could face some difficulty. He’ll whup Taylor but after that he’ll have to bring his A game.
Boxing is like jazz. The better it is, the less people appreciate it.
-George Foreman
by jsims2 on Aug 10, 2009 2:12 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i don’t get the love for the king arthur. only seen two fights of his (both of em were the miranda fights), and i hate his shell defense. it’s fun to watch him on the attack, but i get the impression that he’s sort of like a much stronger version of winky
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by battle axe of doom on Aug 10, 2009 2:25 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The fact that you have only have seen him fight twice might be the problem. I’ve seen him upwards of 10 times and his defense and accurate punching make me believe he’s a contender at 168. Not to mention he’s one tough SOB as you could gather from the first Miranda fight. And dude, Winky Wright was a P4P top fighter as few as 3 years ago and you’re blasting Abraham for being like him?
Boxing is like jazz. The better it is, the less people appreciate it.
-George Foreman
by jsims2 on Aug 10, 2009 7:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
EDIT
Sorry if I came off harsh, I just hate when people disparage Winky, who is one of my favorite fighters of all time. So he wasn’t a KO artist. Just don’t get why people pile on him.
Boxing is like jazz. The better it is, the less people appreciate it.
-George Foreman
by jsims2 on Aug 10, 2009 7:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wasn’t ragging on winky (i “rooted” for him against williams and even picked the guy), but he’s just not that fun to watch. king arthur is just not fun to watch yet people seem to go gaga over him. i know being the most entertaining isn’t really important, but floyd jr has a lot of haters for his similar style of defense-first yet AA seems to have a plethora of fans
but then again as you mentioned i have only seen two of his fights so i could just be shooting the bull ;)
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by battle axe of doom on Aug 10, 2009 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought Assault in the Ring was a fine documentary. Nothing mind-blowing. It was heartbreaking watching Resto come to terms with things, and it was infuriating watching Panama Lewis continue to be such a despicable fraud. I wish there had been more time devoted to the Collins side of the story, particularly the idea that he could have fought again, but that his father wanted the lawsuit money.
I thought this documentary was horrible, actually. Neither Resto nor Lewis were remotely credible, and Drath seemed completely out of his depth in terms of gathering facts and talking to the right sources… the odious ten-second slime job from Bob Arum was one of the worst bits of journalism I’ve ever seen committed to film. Never mind the fact the Bob was the one getting sued… he had a hunch that Collins could fight and that it was all a scam. From Bob’s lips to our ears.
Drath seemed to take the eay way out whenever possible… long manipulative closeups of Resto’s boiled mug, scored by sad cello music. When I’d heard last year that Resto was suddenly “overconfessing” to what happened that night, I thought “Well, you have to consider the source.” And the source in this case, was basically the same sort of two-bit punk mentality that spawned Tony Margarito. The moment Resto sensed he was trapped by the truth (something a good journalist would have sprung in the first twenty minutes), he put on an Academy-worthy show to wring out a little more sympathy. The only question for me now is when Margarito will take the hint and start confessing to “not only” loading his wraps, but also taking steroids, poisoning Cotto’s water, buying off the commissioners, etc. He could find some sucker like Drath to commit it to film and then ait for the orgy of forgiveness wash over him, just like poor Luis did.
Actually I was really pretty much wall-to-wall disgusted by the film, and I’m curious if anyone else out there thought the same way. I really had to grit my teeth through the last fifteen minutes or so to hold back the bile.
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
by jrok on Aug 10, 2009 9:57 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Resto
Frankly, I thought it all came off believable because I don’t think Resto was bright enough to be that good of an actor and the filmmaker is too inexperienced to be that great of an editor.
I was, however, put off slightly by the filmmaker milking the confession teet long after it went dry.
by chadplusplus on Aug 10, 2009 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think he was that good an actor
“Um… I want to know what happen with the belts…” He figured people would think he was “brave” for finally owning up to what he and Panama did, all these many years later. And it looks like he calculated correctly. When he saw that he was getting so much sympathy for his “bravery,” he went ahead and started confessing to ridiculous things that he never even did. I agree that Drath isn’t a good editor either, because he couldn’t disguise the massive holes in his planning, his lack of sources or his flimsy grasp of the facts. Whenever the story deserved a closer examination of a fact or a key player, Drath simply cut to more B-roll of Resto staring off into the distance, while sad piano music played.
And if anyone wants to believe that Resto walked into that ring and fought ten rounds with half the padding removed from his gloves, I have a Bridge in Brooklyn that you might be interested in. Resto trying to escape Billy Sr’s grip like a rat with his tail caught in a trap is a pretty compelling image. Drath didn’t dwell on that image, though, because he came into this project deciding to “vindicate” Resto. Sick stuff.
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
by jrok on Aug 10, 2009 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And if anyone wants to believe that Resto walked into that ring and fought ten rounds with half the padding removed from his gloves, I have a Bridge in Brooklyn that you might be interested in.
I mean that if someone thinks he fought 10 rounds without padding and DIDN’T KNOW IT… then have a bridge to sell you and so does Tony Margarito.
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
by jrok on Aug 10, 2009 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with you about the moral calculus of the documentary, as well as the fact that the camera-work and production in general were cloying and melodramatic.
Boxing writer: "Iran, what are you going to do when you retire?"
Iran Barkley: "Rob your house"
by Matt Miller on Aug 10, 2009 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This Shaq business...
Is this going to become some kind of idiotic trend? At least put him in there against Valuev, so we can keep the circus contained to one promoter at a time. The winner can fight Danny Bonaduce for a Nissan Altima and the love of Olive Oil.
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
by jrok on Aug 10, 2009 3:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think Shaq should just fight Kobe and be done with it :)
Boxing writer: "Iran, what are you going to do when you retire?"
Iran Barkley: "Rob your house"
by Matt Miller on Aug 10, 2009 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kobe Bryant TKO 4....
Boxing is the beginning of all sports. I'm willing to bet that the first sport was a man against another man in a fight. (Omar Epps)
by Chaos100 on Aug 11, 2009 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
sounds about right
Boxing writer: "Iran, what are you going to do when you retire?"
Iran Barkley: "Rob your house"
by Matt Miller on Aug 11, 2009 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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