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HBO and Golden Boy headed for bad times?

Bernard Hopkins is just one of several name fighters caught in a mess that HBO has caused with December and January dates. (Photo via a.espncdn.com)

Bernard Hopkins is just one of several name fighters caught in a mess that HBO has caused with December and January dates. (Photo via a.espncdn.com)

Rick Reeno and Robert Morales worked together on an excellent piece over at BoxingScene.com that details a fracturing relationship between HBO and Golden Boy Promotions, a relationship that has been criticized by just about every other promoter in boxing as having been too close in recent years.

The mess centers on something I talked about last night, HBO's inability to secure a date for Shane Mosley, which is messing with dates for Bernard Hopkins, Andre Berto and Joshua Clottey. To recap quickly:

  • Mosley was set to fight on December 5;
  • Pavlik-Williams moved from October 3, and HBO gave them the December 5 date, asking Mosley to move back to December 26, which he and Golden Boy accepted, even setting up the Staples Center as a venue;
  • Talks were all but finalized for Mosley to face Joshua Clottey;
  • HBO then decided they didn't want the December 26 date, which might put Clottey on the December 5 undercard;
  • HBO wanted Bernard Hopkins to fight on January 30, but now they want Mosley on that date, which probably eliminates the chance of Mosley fighting either Clottey or Andre Berto, who both also want to fight before the end of 2009;
  • Hopkins is mad, Mosley is mad, and Golden Boy CEO Richard Schaefer is m-a-d mad:

"I'm frankly becoming pissed off at the way Shane Mosley has been treated and I'm not going to tolerate it any longer. People shouldn't mistake my kindness for weakness. If they do, they'll get a wake-up call."

Andre Berto's promoter, Lou DiBella, says a January 30 date with Mosley is very unlikely from their side, as they fear the WBC would strip Berto of his title, which seems odd, but then you never know with these sanctioning bodies. Berto has defended twice this year, against Luis Collazo and against Juan Urango. He's looking to unify with Isaac Hlatshwayo before the year is out.

The thing is, all these guys want to get in there before the end of the year, and aren't willing to wait that extra month. Frankly, you have to wonder if it's just a mental thing more than anything, because the one month would probably not be seen as a huge deal if we were talking about May to June instead of December to January. But that calendar turns.

Also complicating matters is Hopkins, who turns 45 on January 15. HBO wants (wanted?) to do a show with him in January that was sort of a big celebration of his long, excellent career.

Head over and read the original article from Robert Morales and Rick Reeno, because all the best details are in there. It's a really interesting bunch of drama unfolding between a network and a promoter that have been pretty happy with each other for a good while now. Dan Rafael also had a lot on this situation in his Friday blog.

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Um, is HBO the only channel that CAN show Mosley?

Isn’t this all about bargaining power?

I used to work with an old man that told me. Son, every workplace has a dumbass, if you don't have one where you work, then I'm afraid you're it.

by Warden11 on Sep 12, 2009 2:12 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

HBO might be the only channel that can afford Mosley-Berto or Mosley-Clottey, and they reach more homes than Showtime. Showtime generally provides a better boxing product overall than HBO does when Showtime allocates their resources properlyn (IMO, of course), but they simply have less money in their boxing budget.

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"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes

by SC on Sep 12, 2009 2:44 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think Dan R said that their boxing budget to just pay fighters is around 50 million dollars, while Showtime’s is around 25.

He also said that HBO doesn’t pay for the 24/7’s… promoters do, and they just edit the filming and give them the time slot on sat’s which one of their biggest time slots. I thought that was interesting.

Showtime has their super six tournament… so I doubt that they have money left over for the end of the year.

"Boxing is dirty," said Casamayor. " The day I’m not ready to be a dirty fighter is the day I don’t fight anymore because it will mean that I have no heart for it anymore."

by Zocalo on Sep 12, 2009 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Super Six plus the Bradley-Peterson triple-header, and a possible Agbeko card on Halloween.

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"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes

by SC on Sep 12, 2009 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sure, but a big chunk of Showtime's budget for next year is already accounted for

Because of the super six. Being stuck with Showtime isn’t somewhere a promoter probably wants to be right now. Gary Shaw needs to be kicking himself in the ass a bit.

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by Brickhaus on Sep 12, 2009 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Found a reference for the budget...
Sources say that the current annual budget for HBO Sports is approximately $75,000,000. That doesn’t include the salaries of fulltime employees, who are listed on a different budget line. It does include salaries for "talent" (such as Jim Lampley, Larry Merchant, and Bryant Gumbel), license fees, production costs, and marketing. Approximately $60,000,000 of that $75,000,000 total is spent on boxing. By way of comparison, Showtime’s annual boxing budget is slightly more than $20,000,000.

"Boxing is dirty," said Casamayor. " The day I’m not ready to be a dirty fighter is the day I don’t fight anymore because it will mean that I have no heart for it anymore."

by Zocalo on Sep 12, 2009 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Go to Showtime then.....

Hard for me to be that sympathetic when I’m a workin’ man.

by SmittytheCutman on Sep 12, 2009 2:53 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

more reasons to hate hbo. they are a joke.

thank god for showtime.

@mikefareri on twitter.

by sonofapsycho on Sep 12, 2009 4:38 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't know if they're a joke

But I don’t think they allocate their resources as well as they could. Paying big money for showcase fights doesn’t really help anyone, and just drives up the price of getting a big fight done.

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by Brickhaus on Sep 12, 2009 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here are two really in depth articles about HBO boxing and their budget…

http://www.secondsout.com/columns/thomas-hauser/memorandum-for-ross-greenburg-hbo-2009

http://www.secondsout.com/columns/thomas-hauser/hbo-2008

"Boxing is dirty," said Casamayor. " The day I’m not ready to be a dirty fighter is the day I don’t fight anymore because it will mean that I have no heart for it anymore."

by Zocalo on Sep 12, 2009 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That said… HBO boxing 2009 started out wonderfully, but recently been lackluster…

"Boxing is dirty," said Casamayor. " The day I’m not ready to be a dirty fighter is the day I don’t fight anymore because it will mean that I have no heart for it anymore."

by Zocalo on Sep 12, 2009 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah a lot of their best intentions got stonewalled. What can you do?

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"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes

by SC on Sep 13, 2009 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

if you didn’t have a really rad Sunny avy i would despise you with my entire soul. hating on a broadcasting network is just dumb and futile. just watch the damn fights ffs

The Dude Abides

by battle axe of doom on Sep 13, 2009 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

so i should hate on fighters instead? that makes sense. hate on the guys who put their lives on the line but not the biased network who treats fighters like dog shit.

@mikefareri on twitter.

by sonofapsycho on Sep 14, 2009 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hate on Ross Greenburg… there are plenty of great people with HBO, but Ross is the boss/ el mero mero/ el mas chingon, el que da palanca.

"Boxing is dirty," said Casamayor. " The day I’m not ready to be a dirty fighter is the day I don’t fight anymore because it will mean that I have no heart for it anymore."

by Zocalo on Sep 15, 2009 12:41 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Most times I’d tell you that Ross the Boss ain’t a bad guy and really has boxing’s best interests at heart, but I think he’s dropping the ball in the last quarter of ‘09, and dropping it something fierce. The buck starts and stops with him, you’re right.

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"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes

by SC on Sep 15, 2009 5:52 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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