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How Juan Manuel Marquez stole HBO's "24/7"

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I've been watching every episode of Mayweather/Marquez 24/7 on HBO and have been fascinated, of course.  I do think that 24/7 has gotten a little played only because they have had a bunch of repeat fighters (Floyd, De La Hoya, Pac-man, Hatton).  Floyd started the show saying he built this show, and it seemed to be geated towards all his strenghts - outspoken, impressive, flashy.  I was wondering how 24/7 would handle Marquez, who doesn't speak English and isn't, on the surface, particularly interesting.

But what we have found is a revelation.  Juan Manuel Marquez, above nearly every fighter ever profiled on 24/7, is a throwback to the old traditional fighter - a man who fights for family, god, and country.  A humble man of the old world.  And thats not to say there isn't depth to Floyd Mayweather, for sure his love of boxing transcends his "Money" persona.  But something about Marquez is different, different from even Pacquiao - another national hero.  Maybe its because Marquez has had some agonizing losses (and draws), that he has crawled and fought to his place in boxing - having to leap countrymen Barrera and Morales to get there.  Maybe its because we all know what an underdog he is.  But few fighters have been as open as Marquez, the fact that what he fights for is something so basic, so honest, so real that it transcends the language barrier.  

Maybe it's sentimental, maybe it's because I'm basically a conservative man myself, but for boxing to regain its greatness it needs to find more men, and by that I mean "men," like Juan Manuel Marquez.  And for all his flash, his talk, his drama, and all that makes Floyd Mayweather perfect for television - the honestly, the traditionalism, the underdog authenticity that Juan Manuel Marquez brought to this show has stolen it from Floyd Mayweather.  

And if I wasn't already, I'd rooting for Juan Manuel Marquez even more this Saturday.

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old school does come to mind when i think of marquez

Gatti. Dekkers. Pele. Aoki. Kang. Vanderlei.
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by theworldsoldestsport on Sep 13, 2009 2:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

There is a Rockyesque quality to Marquez. I see parallels in Rocky 4 with Rocky going old school in his training methods and the is the massive underdog vs the physical marvel.

It is kinda funny… I remember seeing Nacho making all his fighters bang on a tire with a sledgehammer years ago… and now everyone is doing that as a part of their training.

"Boxing is dirty," said Casamayor. " The day I’m not ready to be a dirty fighter is the day I don’t fight anymore because it will mean that I have no heart for it anymore."

by Zocalo on Sep 13, 2009 3:25 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I remember seeing some tape of Daniel Zaragoza banging away with the sledgehammer.

"Boxing is dirty," said Casamayor. " The day I’m not ready to be a dirty fighter is the day I don’t fight anymore because it will mean that I have no heart for it anymore."

by Zocalo on Sep 13, 2009 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

will always hate JMM (respect the dude but i’ll never root for him)

The Dude Abides

by battle axe of doom on Sep 13, 2009 3:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

not rooting for mayweather either. i dont’ care about either fighter, and i’ve been critical about this fight since the day it was made.

btw i said i respect damn it, but i don’t care about him. i’m a pacquiao fan, and watching him and nacho whine and cry after both fights pissed me off. i like to watch the dude fight since he goes to war a lot recently, but i dont’ like him and never will.

The Dude Abides

by battle axe of doom on Sep 13, 2009 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i dont’ care about either fighter, and i’ve been critical about this fight since the day it was made.

Will verify.

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"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes

by SC on Sep 14, 2009 4:52 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I actually thought Marquez took both fight results really well.

by Drunken cutman on Sep 14, 2009 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, instead…let’s all root for the annoying, flashy, cocky, arrogant boxer. That’s the ticket!

Isn’t that my right? I’m allowed to pick how to root for, right?

http://twitter.com/FlyByKnite

by FlyByKnight on Sep 14, 2009 5:00 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I love Marquez

Both he and his brother, Rafael. Buuuuuuuuuut there are certainly times where they’ve annoyed me as a fan. For in-ring warriors of such an amazing stature, they can both be really bitchy outside of the ring.

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"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes

by SC on Sep 14, 2009 5:47 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

YOU know i’m talkin’ about. rafy especially after the third izzy fight, kept whining about the KD which was oh so clearly a knockdown. for “cien percentos” they can be rather bitchy

The Dude Abides

by battle axe of doom on Sep 14, 2009 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, instead…let’s all root for the annoying, flashy, cocky, arrogant boxer. That’s the ticket!

*rolls eyes

WAR FUCKING MARQUEZ!

lol im with ya but i dont think he stands a chance in hell.

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by sonofapsycho on Sep 14, 2009 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Indeed. I’m actually contemplating buying the PPV and it’s all thanks to that 24/7 show. Marquez is a good guy. Mayweather’s uncle on the other hand….

'Ello G'vnor!

by IHateMMA on Sep 14, 2009 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Roger Mayweather is my favorite TV thing of the decade

Bad Left Hook
"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes

by SC on Sep 14, 2009 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I love Roger. The guy is just awesome.

http://twitter.com/FlyByKnite

by FlyByKnight on Sep 14, 2009 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow, seriously? O_o Sarcasm?

This is Roger on every episode ever.

“You don’t know shit about boxing. Can’t tell me nothin’ bout no boxing. You don’t know shit about boxing”

sigh…

Mayweathers dad on the other hand rocks.

Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."

by xFenixKnightx on Sep 14, 2009 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Roger Mayweather is a wealth of boxing knowledge. I don’t get how anyone can hate him. He actually knows what the hell he’s talking about.

http://twitter.com/FlyByKnite

by FlyByKnight on Sep 14, 2009 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m sure he does. He just doesn’t know how to say it.

“Midwest fighter are the best blah blah blah”

Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."

by xFenixKnightx on Sep 14, 2009 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Whaaaaaa?? Not you too! lol

I can’t stand the guy. Please don’t give him anymore camera time.

Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."

by xFenixKnightx on Sep 14, 2009 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

“Don’t talk to me bout no dental hygein muh fucka, shitttt! Where I’m from, brushing ya teef is fo punk bitches!”

Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."

by xFenixKnightx on Sep 15, 2009 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah i think you’re going a bit overboard buddy.

The Dude Abides

by battle axe of doom on Sep 15, 2009 1:07 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

he's goddamned hilarious

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"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes

by SC on Sep 15, 2009 5:04 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

=P

Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."

by xFenixKnightx on Sep 15, 2009 8:21 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You meant this as a joke.

But I think it is actually true.

Boxing writer: "Iran, what are you going to do when you retire?"
Iran Barkley: "Rob your house"

by Matt Miller on Sep 14, 2009 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If you have a problem with Marquez then you have a problem with yourself

by theScientist on Sep 14, 2009 9:24 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Juan Manuel Marquez, above nearly every fighter ever profiled on 24/7, is a throwback to the old traditional fighter – a man who fights for family, god, and country.

sounds exactly like manny pacquiao to me

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by sonofapsycho on Sep 14, 2009 12:00 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

They are certainly similar people

by Drunken cutman on Sep 14, 2009 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Desperation

Drinking quail eggs, training at high altitude, drinking your own piss, and the hyperbaric oxygen chamber (which seems counter-productive along with the high altitude training….). All of these things are gimmicks that would only be employed by a fighter desperate for some sort of edge. Is this the behavior of a confident champion? I don’t think so. Marquez is lacking two things that will absolutely kill him in this fight; speed and confidence. And yes I am going to root for the arrogant SOB in the fight. What’s wrong with trash-talking? Ali did it effectively and so does Floyd (DLH and Hatton were pretty pissed before their fights), so what’s the issue here?

by waldo47 on Sep 14, 2009 3:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Eh

Barry Bonds didn’t need steroids to be the best, but he took them anyway, because that’s what super competitive people do – they do everything they can to try to get an edge, even if it’s to their own physical detriment.

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by Brickhaus on Sep 14, 2009 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would agree with you if Marquez was closer to Mayweather’s ages. However, the man is getting old and he feels he needs to do these weird things just to get back to what he was when he was younger. At least to me this doesn’t seem like he is trying to get an edge, but trying to stop the natural denigration of a boxer’s physical gifts. To illustrate this, someone who is trying to get an edge says the hyperbaric chamber helps him train more than normal, someone on the decline says this treatment helps him recover from training. It’s a subtle difference, but significant when looking into the physical shape of an aging boxer.

by waldo47 on Sep 15, 2009 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Routine, not desperation

How is it desperation when he’s been doing those things in prior training camps?

by Polish Rifle on Sep 15, 2009 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is a thoughtful fan post, but it’s a bit naive, too, imho. Marquez is hardly the first boxer to portray himself as “a throwback to the old traditional fighter – a man who fights for family, god, and country.” But he is, to my knowledge, the first major athlete to drink his own urine on national television. Honestly, I think that “wee” bit is the take-away buzz of the whole 24/7 thing. When people remember Marquez’s role in 24/7 five years from now, if they remember it at all, they won’t recall him being such an upstanding family man. They’ll recall the pee incident.

For the record, I personally could care less if Marquez buys the new age argument about drinking pee (I had a hippie at a Dead show once try to explain the same thing to me, except he said something about toxins, not vitamins). It makes me think no worse of him. And who knows, it’s something that has been done for centuries by certain groups (Google it, if you’re so inclined). Maybe there really is something to it (not that I’m about to try). My point is that this little anecdote is what stands out about the whole series the most. We already knew the rest of it.

Boxing writer: "Iran, what are you going to do when you retire?"
Iran Barkley: "Rob your house"

by Matt Miller on Sep 14, 2009 8:00 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Undercard

Anyone know if they found another fight to replace the Judah disaster or are they going to cut us one short on the undercard?

by Full Throttle on Sep 14, 2009 9:15 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Rumor has it

That they’re working out Erislandy Lara vs. Jose Varela. If that doesn’t work out, then Orlando Cruz vs. Cornelius Lock will be added to the televised card.

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by Brickhaus on Sep 14, 2009 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lara is a f’ing beast…

"Boxing is dirty," said Casamayor. " The day I’m not ready to be a dirty fighter is the day I don’t fight anymore because it will mean that I have no heart for it anymore."

by Zocalo on Sep 15, 2009 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

mason_beer, Great write up.
Unfortunately most people are intrigued by car wrecks and accidents. People stop and stare. Many people would love to see Mayweather lose or get KO’ed.

When Mayweather faced De La Hoya, he knew in order to make the fight interesting, he had to play up to the crowds and become more of the “Money” Mayweather persona. Some times you gotta work the crowds.

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by VeeisAnimated on Sep 16, 2009 2:21 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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