Weighty Issue: Marquez comes in at 142, Mayweather at 146?
by SC on Sep 18, 2009 6:29 PM EDT
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UPDATE: Dan Rafael of ESPN.com reports on ESPNews that after not filing the contract that had the agreed-upon 144-pound catchweight, Mayweather and Marquez agreed last night to have a 147-pound limit, and that Golden Boy Promotions has to pay Marquez for every pound over 144, so he has to pay for two pounds. It doesn't really make sense to me that Golden Boy would pay Marquez for the pounds and not Mayweather or "Mayweather Promotions," but hey, whatever, right?
To me, this absolutely reeks. Why was the contract not filed? Did Floyd ever intend to make 144 pounds? It's fishy to put it nicely.
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In a somewhat stunning bit of news coming out of the Mayweather-Marquez weigh-in in Las Vegas, Floyd Mayweather Jr. came in at 146 pounds, apparently missing the reported agreed-upon catchweight of 144 pounds.
But nobody at the event said anything about it. Nobody.
I am assuming that the 144-pound weight was accurate in reports, but recall that Floyd Mayweather oddly did not want anyone to say anything about the weight in the lead-up to the fight. Hell, watch HBO's "24/7" -- nobody mentions it once. Not one single time.
This is what I deeply feared about that, that if Floyd couldn't quite get to 144 pounds, it would then be treated by the promoters and Mayweather himself as a mistake in the previous reports. Well why not come out and say it was a welterweight fight then?
I want to be psyched for the big fight tomorrow, but right now I'm more curious, annoyed and befuddled than anything else. On the surface, it seems like Mayweather couldn't get to 144, but the fight's not getting canceled again, so everyone will just go along with this.
This story likely will develop quickly, or at least it damn well better. Someone needs to explain this, but right now, my inclination is that he just couldn't make 144 pounds and they all agreed to forget about it.
Everyone else was on weight:
Featherweights, 10 Rounds: Orlando Cruz 126, Cornelius Lock 125
Lightweights, 12 Rounds: Michael Katsidis 135, Vicente Escobedo 134
Featherweights, 12 Rounds: Chris John 126, Rocky Juarez 126
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Dan Rafael with an interesting perspective on this right now on ESPNEWS.
Mayweather renegotiated last night to have it at 147 after Marquez filed at 144.
Mayweather has to pay Marquez for each pound over 144. It’s an undisclosed amount.
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by FlyByKnight on Sep 18, 2009 6:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
yeah just saw
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by SC on Sep 18, 2009 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pretty much. I bet he was having trouble so instead of cancelling just make it to 147. It makes no difference in the scheme of things though.
by gunranger on Sep 18, 2009 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
except that what already seemed as a one sided fight jus got worse.
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by eva.future on Sep 18, 2009 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't really see it that way
It stays uneven, instead of evening out, IMO. Floyd, who walks around at 150 – 155 when he’s NOT training, COULD have made 144. Once he realized he’d need to drain to do so, he decided he’d rather pay Marquez more money than risk fighting him drained (and possibly losing because of being drained).
At least that’s my take.
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by Brickhaus on Sep 18, 2009 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
except that what already seemed as a one sided fight jus got worse.
No it doesn’t. Let’s say floyd cuts and then rehydrates, what’s the difference? Floyd never weighed in the 150s on fight night. Weight is one of the few advantages that really won’t make a difference. Pac outweighed JMM on fight night and it made no difference.
by gunranger on Sep 18, 2009 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The point is...
if Floyd woudl have had trouble making 144 then that works to JMM’s advantage. It’s THE POINT of a weight cut. JMM has to drain to do it, while Floyd gets to skate.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Sep 18, 2009 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
JMM isn’t cutting. That’s his normal weight
by gunranger on Sep 18, 2009 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hell, JMM had to pack on pounds
He probably weighs 135 walking around when he’s not in training.
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by Brickhaus on Sep 18, 2009 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nonsense. JMM was 141 in the Pac rematch and over 140 in his subsequent bouts. 142 is perfect for him because it’s what he fights at but he looks more toned than he did before
by gunranger on Sep 18, 2009 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He did look way less flabby than was made out early in his training.
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by SC on Sep 18, 2009 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ill agree that he did look more toned and that 142 isnt bad for him (i thought he’d be at 139 range), but are you really saying floyd having to cut another 2 pounds wouldnt have affected his performace come tomorrow night? affected it to jmm’s advantage?
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by eva.future on Sep 18, 2009 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah...
fair enough. But let’s be honest here. When you agree to a weight, that’s the weight both guys are suppsoed to make. The idea that “oh well…he’d just rehydrate” eliminates the entire point of both guys having to cut. Floyd didn’t want to cut so he didn’t. He’d have probably struggled more if he had to cut, now he didn’t have to.
The excuse making is kind of lame
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by Brent Brookhouse on Sep 18, 2009 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Floyd never weighed in the 150s on fight night.
He weighed in at 150 for Oscar, I don’t think he lost weight. But I know what you’re saying.
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by SC on Sep 18, 2009 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ellerbe said he was 148 on fight night
by gunranger on Sep 18, 2009 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ellerbe says lots of things.
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"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes
by SC on Sep 18, 2009 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ellerbe is a shmuck. Wouldn't trust that cat for s##t!!!
by SmittytheCutman on Sep 18, 2009 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He’s apparently not much of a business manager.
Bad Left Hook
"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes
by SC on Sep 18, 2009 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I said it before but Floyd is like those brokers from Boiler Room. He’s got cash but his credit is shit.
by gunranger on Sep 18, 2009 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha
Good movie.
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"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes
by SC on Sep 18, 2009 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey… didn’t you hear… Floyd doesn’t have tax problems…
"Boxing is dirty," said Casamayor. " The day I’m not ready to be a dirty fighter is the day I don’t fight anymore because it will mean that I have no heart for it anymore."
by Zocalo on Sep 18, 2009 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Scheme" is the operative word there.
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
by jrok on Sep 18, 2009 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
JMM isn't going to complain if he gets paid more money
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
by Brickhaus on Sep 18, 2009 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, it was either more money or no money so of course he wouldn’t.
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
by jrok on Sep 18, 2009 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think so
I have a hard time believing Mayweather couldn’t drain to lose the extra 2 pounds. He doesn’t exactly look emaciated like how Hatton looks at 140 or how Oscar looked at 147. He just didn’t want to come into the fight feeling weak. Marquez could have dug his heels in I suspect, but if he’s probably going to lose either way, why not get paid more money to lose?
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
by Brickhaus on Sep 18, 2009 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The hell are you talking about
You responding to me? Please translate.
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
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by jrok on Sep 18, 2009 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Floyd wouldn't have cancelled the fight
So it wasn’t ‘more money or no money’. Floyd could have made weight if he worked out in a body suit in a sauna for 5 hours. He also would have felt like shit during the fight. But Mayweather wouldn’t cancel the fight over that. Not when there’s tremendous evidence that he REALLY needs this paycheck.
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
by Brickhaus on Sep 18, 2009 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, if it was his plan all along (which it would seem to be, given the strange way in which mentions of the catchweight were avoided throughout the promotion) then it is a non-issue. Mayweather didn’t make 144 because he never planned to. He wanted to surprise Marquez and knock him out… I think he will.
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
by jrok on Sep 18, 2009 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The grand scheme of things (Mayweather likely beating Marquez) does change here. If Mayweather had actually had to work his ass off to get down two more pounds, he might’ve been drained and vulnerable. Marquez instead gets money to give up MORE weight than he agreed to, and Floyd will do his best to poo-poo this as a non-issue. It’s an issue.
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"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes
by SC on Sep 18, 2009 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right
Marquez got the rug pulled from under him, period. With this, probably his best hope of winning has faded.
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
by jrok on Sep 18, 2009 6:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That I agree with
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
by Brickhaus on Sep 18, 2009 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Crazy
Well I guess the best thing to do is bet 180 on Floyd and pay for the PPV. Looks like even less risk now.
by 2020Proof on Sep 18, 2009 6:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This entire fight just feels dishonest now. I think that’s a problem. We can debate the actual meaning of the two pounds, but this feels like crap.
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"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes
by SC on Sep 18, 2009 6:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i was gonna respond up there to why i said the one sided thing got worse, but yall have done it better than i could have.
basically, we all knew marquez was gonna have trouble wit floyd regardless, the fact the eryone is still pumpin this up to be a competitive fight, and floyd does whatever he wants, including being MUCH more comfortable on fight night than what was originally agreed to, really makes it all worse, and bs.
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by eva.future on Sep 18, 2009 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Look Vitor came in 197 lol
IMO it doesnt matter. If you thought 4lbs was going to make a difference in the fight beforehand your going to feel the same way now. I just look at cutting differently than you guys do.
by gunranger on Sep 18, 2009 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is garbage.
Keep firing Assholes!
Protect your caterpillar from Kimbo Slice.
by Ubernoober on Sep 18, 2009 6:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8xReWCLIxs
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"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes
by SC on Sep 18, 2009 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I still put money on Marquez...
This one feels strangely like when tyson fought Douglas. I can’t explain it.
by SmittytheCutman on Sep 18, 2009 6:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It wouldn't be THAT big of an upset
But if Marquez wins, it would rank pretty high in the pantheon of upsets. Up there with Curry-Honeyghan.
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by Brickhaus on Sep 18, 2009 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bodog has Marquez at +275, so yeah, it’s not quite Tyson-Douglas, but still, if he wins, I honestly might shit myself.
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"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes
by SC on Sep 18, 2009 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+275 is a steal
Mayweather at anything less than -700 is a good deal in my book.
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
by Brickhaus on Sep 18, 2009 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bodog has horrible spreads though
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
by Brickhaus on Sep 18, 2009 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like them for that reason sometimes, and hate them for it other times.
Bad Left Hook
"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes
by SC on Sep 18, 2009 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
The next order of business is to come up with a proper name for this fight. “The Scam in the Grand?”
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
by jrok on Sep 18, 2009 6:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The Vagueness in Vegas?
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
by jrok on Sep 18, 2009 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rafael actually said
Golden Boy would have to pay not Mayweather. I don’t know if that makes a difference or is just semantics but that’s what I remember
by gunranger on Sep 18, 2009 6:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
But “Mayweather Promotions” is “lead promoter”!
Bad Left Hook
"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes
by SC on Sep 18, 2009 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mayweather Promotions?
What’s that?
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
by jrok on Sep 18, 2009 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8xReWCLIxs
Bad Left Hook
"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes
by SC on Sep 18, 2009 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Always better the 2nd time around.
Keep firing Assholes!
Protect your caterpillar from Kimbo Slice.
by Ubernoober on Sep 18, 2009 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mayweather on 24/7 said “the wieght is made, if the fight was today ill be ready”. He was wrong
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by sigidy on Sep 18, 2009 7:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Don’t forget the finale of “24/7” is tonight at 9:30. Mayweather-Marquez: It’s Boxing!
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"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes
by SC on Sep 18, 2009 7:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This is terrible
Looks like the ticket sales weren’t the only reason the fight was postponed. I hope Marquez kicks his ass.
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by Johpin on Sep 18, 2009 7:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Mayweather is a prodigious talent, to be sure, but his actions today have wiped away any admiration I made have had for the guy.
I hope JMM blasts Floyd right over one of his kidneys, leaving Mayweather writhing in pain on the canvas. Enough of this douchebag. I’m up for JMM/Pacquiao III.
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by a tommy point on Sep 18, 2009 8:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
*might have had…
Stupid fingers.
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by a tommy point on Sep 18, 2009 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've never had admiration for him...
he’s an ass
by SmittytheCutman on Sep 19, 2009 8:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kuch Says...
Mayweather didn’t think light!
"Respond intelligently even to unintelligent treatment."
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by RoyalB on Sep 18, 2009 8:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
espn is reporting mayweather is gonna pay $300k per pound
dunno if its been posted yet i just skimmed thru
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by thebitb on Sep 18, 2009 9:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It just another example that Mayweather is a bitch in my eyes…
"Boxing is dirty," said Casamayor. " The day I’m not ready to be a dirty fighter is the day I don’t fight anymore because it will mean that I have no heart for it anymore."
by Zocalo on Sep 18, 2009 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am calling it… Mayweather gets cut and MArquez gets the TKO…
Yeah right…
"Boxing is dirty," said Casamayor. " The day I’m not ready to be a dirty fighter is the day I don’t fight anymore because it will mean that I have no heart for it anymore."
by Zocalo on Sep 18, 2009 11:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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