Spin begins for Money Mayweather's weight
Kevin Iole of Yahoo! Sports is reporting a different take on the saga of Floyd Mayweather Jr.'s failure to make weight for tomorrow night's fight against Juan Manuel Marquez.
From Iole:
[Golden Boy Promotions CEO Richard] Schaefer said the contract the fighters signed in May was for the bout to be at a limit of 147 pounds. But in that contract, each man agreed to a substantial penalty clause for every pound, or fraction thereof, more than 144.
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"There were no surprises," Schaefer said. "The contract the fighters signed for the fight so many months ago called it a welterweight fight. But there was a stipulation that there would be a penalty for weighing over 144.
"Floyd’s team informed us today that he would not be able to make 144, and because of that, there was a substantial penalty. If he would have been 147, it would have been even bigger."
Thus, Mayweather was in the odd position Friday of making the contracted weight but still paying a penalty.
If either man had weighed in excess of 147, he would have been required to sweat off the excess weight to reach 147 exactly. That is not normally the case unless a fight is for a championship, which Saturday’s fight is not.
It's spin. It's spin to save the fight's aura, its reputation, and Mayweather's status. I'm not saying that Mr. Iole is purposely reporting anything false; not at all. I'm also not saying Richard Schaefer is lying.
I'm just saying they're trying to make this sound as good as they possibly can, and trying to keep the fight compelling and not let this overshadow the actual bout tomorrow night. It's good spin, it's spin you should expect, but it's spin.
If fighters agree that anything over 144 pounds is a financial penalty, then they agreed to fight at 144 pounds. What the language they're using does is give Floyd an out. He didn't miss the weight, see, he just didn't make the first tier weight. It was still OK so long as he was under 147, see, he just has to pay.
I'm just not buying it. Mayweather deserves to be called out for this. On HBO.com's "24/7 Overtime" with Jim Lampley, Max Kellerman and Bert Sugar, it was agreed upon by Kellerman and Sugar that Mayweather never intended to make 144 pounds at all. Lampley called that a "ploy." They're not the only ones seeing it that way, and Schaefer, Golden Boy and Floyd aren't going to be able to spin out of this in the court of public opinion.
For all intents and purposes, this is a lot like Corrales-Castillo II, where Castillo came in overweight and Corrales took extra money to take the fight anyway. The heavier Castillo stopped Corrales (who had broken his tail to make 135 pounds) early in one of the least satisfying rematches you'll ever see.
Castillo's reputation took a massive hit for that, and an even bigger one when he didn't make weight for a proposed third fight between the two, which Corrales refused after Castillo again failed on the scales. Castillo would later miss weight for a fight with Timothy Bradley in 2008 that never came about.
Again: There's a reason no one connected to the fight ever talked about the weight. Reliable sources knew it was at 144, and the resulting discussion tonight centers on 144, which everyone now admits was the limit. They're just shifting words around, and since they never said 144, we're told, "Well, they COULD go to 147, it's just over 144 cost money..."
I will admit that it somewhat disappoints me that this didn't happen with Manny Pacquiao, not because I dislike Pacquiao at all, but because I could have then said, "Take a load off, Manny. Take a load for $600,000."
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Crap with sugar on top is still crap…
"Boxing is dirty," said Casamayor. " The day I’m not ready to be a dirty fighter is the day I don’t fight anymore because it will mean that I have no heart for it anymore."
by Zocalo on Sep 18, 2009 11:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Don’t let this ruin the card for you folks. It won’t seem like quite as big of a deal once the echo chamber quiets down.
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by Matt Miller on Sep 18, 2009 11:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
And here I was hoping for "women issues"
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by RoyalB on Sep 19, 2009 12:42 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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SC how are you gonna defend your boy this time? There’s no way Floyd’s going anywhere near Cotto or Mosley in the next decade
by toodiesel on Sep 19, 2009 1:06 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He’s not my boy. Of the two I’m a far bigger Marquez fan. I think Mayweather criticisms are perfectly valid but that at times he doesn’t get enough credit from the boxing public. He’s a double-edged sword.
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by SC on Sep 19, 2009 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I call shenanigans.
Keep firing Assholes!
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by Ubernoober on Sep 19, 2009 1:18 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Damn we all got duped...
I think we’ve been had guys.
When the fight was made for 144 pounds half of us were up in arms about how Marquez would be moving up 9 freaking pounds to a weight he’s never fought before.
If we were told he was moving up 11-12 pounds we would have been even more pissed.
I think this is another convenient incident and it brings controversy to the fight too.
I feel like tuning in now though. I mean at this rate the two boxers are gonna get into the ring and they are going to lift Mayweathers arm and just skip the fight. I mean is there any point?
by MannyPacquiao on Sep 19, 2009 1:19 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I will admit that it somewhat disappoints me that this didn’t happen with Manny Pacquiao, not because I dislike Pacquiao at all, but because I could have then said, “Take a load off, Manny. Take a load for $600,000.”
Are you talking about when DLH came in drained?
by steak_knife on Sep 19, 2009 2:43 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This comment also puzzled me.....
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by Chaos100 on Sep 19, 2009 6:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No. It’s just a hypothetical. Like if Manny had come in heavy against someone in a catchweight fight.
“The Weight”? The Band?
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by SC on Sep 19, 2009 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm really hoping that Marquez brings it and makes it close
because this is just disgusting. Of course Juan isn’t going to say anything besides it’s no big deal, but this is deplorable. The only way I won’t be super pissed is if Floyd doesn’t hydrate up past 147. They probably won’t weigh in before the fight though
by cardscott5 on Sep 19, 2009 3:07 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The Band
I thought he was being humorous. “Take a load off, Annie. Take a load for free…” – “The Weight” by The Band…
by Areglado on Sep 19, 2009 4:08 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
yeah...
it was pretty clearly a joke
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by Brent Brookhouse on Sep 19, 2009 9:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Probably quite a funny joke, too...
If you know the song…..
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by Chaos100 on Sep 19, 2009 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How do you not know that song? Are you in a CAVE?
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by SC on Sep 19, 2009 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I had to listen to it to know what it was
Once I heard the tune, I knew it, but I never would have known the words
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by Brickhaus on Sep 19, 2009 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What kind of crazy CAVES are you people in
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"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes
by SC on Sep 19, 2009 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Caves built after the 60s.
I never heard the song before. Don’t forget that 80s music is now considered the Oldies.
by Polish Rifle on Sep 19, 2009 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You people are all insane! I’m 27! I’m not old!
YOU’RE ALL IN CAVES
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"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes
by SC on Sep 19, 2009 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Aaaaaannnnnddd
You put the load right on me.
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by jrok on Sep 19, 2009 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Please Cotto
Please weigh-in at 147 and say you thought that this was a welterweight title fight. The thought of Arum, Roach, and Pac-Man simultaneously shitting their pants is just too awesome….
by waldo47 on Sep 19, 2009 5:13 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
seems like
Floyd just wanted it a Little more in his favor. As Brick said in another post, it looks like he could have made 144. Its just a move that completely lacks class or fairness considering how far JMM was coming up.
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by BrianBrock on Sep 19, 2009 7:15 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Keep in mind...
…Yahoo! Sports boxing is associated with Ringtv, which is owned by Golden Boy. The reason I bring this up is that Iole says Schaefer said the fight was originally at 147, but it’s not a direct quote.
Dan Rafael from ESPN on the other hand has a direct quote from Schaefer in which he only says “welterweight” but doesn’t mention a specific weight. On youtube Oscar, SCHAEFER"S BOSS, even insists the fight is at 143.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYqxxC6bvjU#t=1m40s
Nice job of obfuscation by Golden Boy Promotions if you ask me.
by vvps on Sep 19, 2009 10:40 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
300k per pound doesn’t seem like much of an incentive to be on weight when the purse is 10 million.
How will this impact the future negotiations with Pacquiao? I know he fought Oscar at 147, but would he be willing to go that high after this stunt?
Whatever weight they agree to, they should make it 1 million per pound over after these shenanigans.
by Phildo on Sep 19, 2009 2:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don’t see Mayweather-Pacquiao happening. Ever.
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"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes
by SC on Sep 19, 2009 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
me either
The weight stunt frankly smacks of cowardice, and it’ll be dressed up as financial issues re not making a Pac fight, but it won’t be.
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by BrianBrock on Sep 19, 2009 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who else is there for Mayweather to fight?
Mosley?
"Boxing is dirty," said Casamayor. " The day I’m not ready to be a dirty fighter is the day I don’t fight anymore because it will mean that I have no heart for it anymore."
by Zocalo on Sep 19, 2009 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mosley, Cotto, nobody. Too many hoops to jump through for Mayweather-Pacquiao.
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"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes
by SC on Sep 19, 2009 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cotto is promoted by Arum…. so no Manny and no Cotto if Mayweather is serious that he doesn’t want to do business with him.
"Boxing is dirty," said Casamayor. " The day I’m not ready to be a dirty fighter is the day I don’t fight anymore because it will mean that I have no heart for it anymore."
by Zocalo on Sep 19, 2009 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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